RPIs for December 23, 2007

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[B][U]Atlantic 10 RPIs, games through December 22, 2007[/U][/B]
1 Rhode Island, RPI 14, SOS 100
2 Xavier, RPI 17, SOS 9
3 Dayton, RPI 18, SOS 110
4 Massachusetts, RPI 21, SOS 72
5 Duquesne, RPI 49, SOS 65
6 Temple, RPI 57, SOS 21
7 Saint Joseph’s, RPI 111, SOS 96
8 Saint Louis, RPI 119, SOS 98
[B][COLOR=Green]9 Charlotte, RPI 156, SOS 223[/COLOR][/B]
10 Richmond, RPI 201, SOS SOS 210
11 Fordham, RPI 220, SOS 228
12 George Washington, RPI 227, SOS 170
13 Saint Bonaventure, RPI 245, SOS 282
14 La Salle, RPI 261, SOS 238

[B][U]Non-conference opponents RPIs, games through December 22, 2007[/U][/B]
1 Clemson, RPI 60, SOS 216
[B][COLOR=Red]2 Georgia Tech, RPI 61, SOS 17[/COLOR]
[COLOR=Green]3 Southern Illinois, RPI 82, SOS 22
4 Wake Forest, RPI 104, SOS 213
5 Illinois-Chicago, RPI 120, SOS 151[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=Red]6 Tulsa, RPI 138, SOS 185[/COLOR]
[COLOR=Green]7 Davidson, RPI 157, SOS 53[/COLOR][/B]
8 Maryland, RPI 171, SOS 50
[B][COLOR=green]9 Appalachian State, RPI 174, SOS 196[/COLOR][/B]
10 Fairleigh-Dickinson, RPI 183, SOS 166
[B][COLOR=green]11 Gardner-Webb, RPI 216, SOS 204[/COLOR]
[COLOR=Red]12 Monmouth, RPI 255, SOS 139
13 Hofstra, RPI 258, SOS 129[/COLOR]
[COLOR=Green]14 High Point, RPI 267, SOS 319[/COLOR][/B]

[B][U]Carolinas teams RPIs, games through December 22, 2007[/U][/B]
1 UNC-Chapel Hill, RPI 4, SOS 66
2 Duke, RPI 19, SOS 77
3 Winthrop, RPI 42, SOS 6
4 Clemson, RPI 60, SOS 216
5 North Carolina State, RPI 71, SOS 74
6 Wofford, RPI 93, SOS 54
7 Wake Forest, RPI 104, SOS 213
8 South Carolina, RPI 114, SOS 37
9 College of Charleston, RPI 129, SOS 93
10 UNC Wilmington, RPI 140, SOS 293
[B][COLOR=Green]11 Charlotte, RPI 156, SOS 223[/COLOR][/B]
12 Davidson, RPI 157, SOS 53
13 North Carolina A & T, RPI 170, SOS 30
14 Appalachian State, RPI 174, SOS 196
15 UNC Greensboro, RPI 186, SOS 274
16 East Carolina, RPI 191, SOS 31
17 UNC Asheville, RPI 197, SOS 307
18 Gardner-Webb, RPI 216, SOS 204
18 Elon, RPI 234, SOS 234
20 Coastal Carolina, RPI 241, SOS 273
21 USC Upstate, RPI 248, SOS 99
22 South Carolina State, RPI 263, SOS 224
23 High Point, RPI 267, SOS 319
24 Winston-Salem State, RPI 281, SOS 243
25 North Carolina Central, RPI 283, SOS 76
26 The Citadel, RPI 297, SOS 149
27 Western Carolina, RPI 314, SOS 246
28 Charleston Southern, RPI 326, SOS 318
29 Furman, RPI 332, SOS 215
20 Presbyterian, RPI 333, SOS 255
31 Campbell, RPI 335, SOS 333

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[QUOTE=HP49er;278895][COLOR=Green]13 High Point, RPI 267, SOS 319[/COLOR]
[COLOR=Red]14 Hofstra, RPI 258, SOS 129[/COLOR][/B][/QUOTE]

It’s okay, HP. You can rank High Point 14th. We won’t think any less of you. :wink:

Good gravy, our opponents have some vile RPIs. I was convinced that our non-con strength of schedule would be pretty damn good this year. No one in the Top 50. Maryland, Davidson, and App State (and us!) are outside the Top 150. Hofstra and High Point are outside the Top 250. Should someone inform them that a decent win every once in a while is okay?

In the few games played today, I see Monmouth is losing to FAU and George Washington -3 year NCAA streak on the line this year- is following up their double-digit loss to Binghamton with a one point lead over something called a Longwood.

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how does winthrop have a 42 RPI and the 6th hardest SOS? They haven’t beaten anyone notable (except GT). Every decent team they’ve played they have lost to.

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The RPI is still a head scratcher to me, if Winthrop is 42, their opp-opp winning percentage must be good because they only are a .500 team? I know Survivor had the formula, maybe he can explain more, but still doesn’t make sense how they are top 50.

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[QUOTE=RWORKMAN09;278897]how does winthrop have a 42 RPI and the 6th hardest SOS?[/QUOTE]

'cause that’s how it works.

Last year, the #157 Miami Hurricanes lost 20 games but played in a good conference against good opponents. Also last year, the #160 North Dakota State team only lost 8 games - but did not have the luxury of being in a good conference playing good opponents.

The most important factor in the RPI is opponent wins. Winthrop’s opponents have won their games - they each have between 6-11 wins, except for Georgia Tech and ECU.

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[QUOTE=EE9er;278898]I know Survivor had the formula, maybe he can explain more, but still doesn’t make sense how they are top 50.[/QUOTE]

:smile:

The basic formula is:

25% Record
50% Opponent’s Record
25% Opponent’s Opponent’s Record

There’s some funky stuff nowadays with home vs. road wins, etc - but I like it when things are kept simple.

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[QUOTE=EE9er;278898]their opp-opp winning percentage must be good[/QUOTE]

opp-opp winning percentage is overrated.

Imagine your professor hands you a Final Exam - all True/False Questions.

Part A is 30 questions. It’s worth 25%.

Part B is 900 questions. It’s worth 50%.

Part C is 27,000 questions. It’s worth 25%.

Which section would you most concentrate?

Charlotte plays 30 games. Opponents play about 30 games, too. And their opponents play 30 games. 30x30x30 = 27,000 match-ups. Why even bother with it? It’s pretty safe to assume that roughly half of the games will be wins and roughly half of the games will be losses. Screw Part C.

Of course, you would want to do well in Part A. Every question is worth about a point! Of course, you want your school to win its games, too.

But Part B is what will really separate the passing grades from the failing grades.

Ever wonder how Winthrop could get away with selling their games for a ridiculous price for the past couple years? It’s because of the impact a team with a 24-4 record can have towards a school’s RPI. Look at the schools that paid the fee to Winthrop last year and beat them: UNC-Chapel Hill, Maryland, Wisconsin, Texas A&M. Now look at their respective final RPIs for last year: #3, #16, #4, and #17. They got what they paid for.

Now if East Carolina wants to schedule you, RUN FOR THE BLOODY HILLS! You don’t want to absorb a 3-24 team into your RPI.

That’s why I was so delighted to see High Point, App State, Southern Illinois, etc. on the sked this year. I figured if they could approach anything close to Winthrop’s recent status - we’d cash in like the teams I mentioned. THEY’RE NOT F*^#$%@ doing it!!! It’s driving me up the wall.

But at least the A10 finally pulled their thumbs out of their butts and started scheduling smartly. I like seeing St. Bonaventure go 5-7 rather than 1-11. Sure, the schools that they’ve played suck - but it will help Charlotte and the rest of the conference. It’s also nice to see Rhode Island and Dayton go 21-2 against good competition. That’s gonna help everybody.

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double post

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The nice thing about opp-opp is that it anchors your W-L percentage. If you beat a lot of teams like Winthrop, but Winthrop got all their wins against winless or one win teams, it would offset your W-L percentage.

If winthrop got those wins against quality opponents, then it boosts your W-L.

So not only do you have to beat the good teams, they have to play good teams.

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I have to imagine opponents’ winning percentages will go up once they start playing in their weak conferences. Right Davidson?

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[QUOTE=survivor45;278904]opp-opp winning percentage is overrated.

Imagine your professor hands you a Final Exam - all True/False Questions.

Part A is 30 questions. It’s worth 25%.

Part B is 900 questions. It’s worth 50%.

Part C is 27,000 questions. It’s worth 25%.

Which section would you most concentrate?

Charlotte plays 30 games. Opponents play about 30 games, too. And their opponents play 30 games. 30x30x30 = 27,000 match-ups. Why even bother with it? It’s pretty safe to assume that roughly half of the games will be wins and roughly half of the games will be losses. Screw Part C.

Of course, you would want to do well in Part A. Every question is worth about a point! Of course, you want your school to win its games, too.

But Part B is what will really separate the passing grades from the failing grades.

Ever wonder how Winthrop could get away with selling their games for a ridiculous price for the past couple years? It’s because of the impact a team with a 24-4 record can have towards a school’s RPI. Look at the schools that paid the fee to Winthrop last year and beat them: UNC-Chapel Hill, Maryland, Wisconsin, Texas A&M. Now look at their respective final RPIs for last year: #3, #16, #4, and #17. They got what they paid for.

Now if East Carolina wants to schedule you, RUN FOR THE BLOODY HILLS! You don’t want to absorb a 3-24 team into your RPI.

That’s why I was so delighted to see High Point, App State, Southern Illinois, etc. on the sked this year. I figured if they could approach anything close to Winthrop’s recent status - we’d cash in like the teams I mentioned. THEY’RE NOT F*^#$%@ doing it!!! It’s driving me up the wall.

But at least the A10 finally pulled their thumbs out of their butts and started scheduling smartly. I like seeing St. Bonaventure go 5-7 rather than 1-11. Sure, the schools that they’ve played suck - but it will help Charlotte and the rest of the conference. It’s also nice to see Rhode Island and Dayton go 21-2 against good competition. That’s gonna help everybody.[/QUOTE]

This one deserves a hearty D.O.B.A.

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In [B]Part A: (25% of the formula):[/B] Team winning percentage. For the 2005 season, the NCAA added a bonus/penalty system, where each home win or road loss get multiplied by 0.6 in the winning percentage calculation. A home loss or road win is multiplied by 1.4. Neutral games count as 1.0.

Not sure if that 0.6/1.4 multiplier carrys over to Parts B & C.

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[B]SOS (Strength of Schedule):[/B] This is the last two components of the RPI formula:
(2/3) X Opponents Winning Pct. + (1/3) X Opponents Opponents Winning Pct.

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[QUOTE=OrangeOtto;278909]For the 2005 season, the NCAA added a bonus/penalty system, where each home win or road loss get multiplied by 0.6 in the winning percentage calculation. A home loss or road win is multiplied by 1.4. Neutral games count as 1.0.[/QUOTE]

This is also known as “The Syracuse-won’t-schedule-a-freakin’-road-game Factor”. :lol:

Stupid Syracuse. They had to ruin a nice, basic formula.

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This is also known as "The Syracuse-won't-schedule-a-freakin'-road-game Factor". :lol:

Stupid Syracuse. They had to ruin a nice, basic formula.

LOL … Those Anti-Otto people at the NCAA just don’t like home-cooking. Otto takes it easy for a few seasons and the NCAA throws a snowball but the RPI ain’t looking too bad this season …:shades:

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Pomeroy has us back in the top 100 of his ranking system. [URL=http://www.kenpom.com/sked.php?team=Charlotte&y=2008&t=p][B][COLOR=DarkGreen]Link[/COLOR][/B][/URL]. Additionally, after yesterday’s defeat, our defensive rankings have climbed to #50 on adjusted defensive efficiency, 39th in forced turnovers, 52ns in block percentage, and 48th in steal percentage.

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'Cuse has actually had a couple road games before January this season…

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'Cuse has actually had a couple road games before January this season...

Just ONE … let’s not get too excited.

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