So which facility is correctly sized? Halton or Richardson

[quote=“Niner National, post:59, topic:29418”]I don’t think anyone doesn’t understand the need for a larger stadium. I think we all want it and I think we all understand why. With that said our AD hasn’t been able to prove they can sell the extra seats at our current capacity and somehow we have to pay for those added seats. For me those are the two big things. I am very anxious to see how the later start times impact sales and attendance.
I think the Marshall game will show them this year the need for more seats. Sure we probably won’t be able to fill up 25,000 seats every game (because we haven’t even filled up 15,000 for every game), but with a potentially ranked Marshall team rolling into town, there are going to be A LOT of ticket requests. That game will be SRO without question.

It may not be big time college football in the sense of the SEC, but it’ll have a big time atmosphere.[/quote]

I’m finishing up my masters at Mississippi State and got to work the sidelines with ROTC this season, and as much as I loved that I’m more excited about the Marshal game. SEC football is great, but I think we can put together a pretty exciting schedule as well. Hell, it wouldn’t take much to be more exciting than MS State’s nonconf schedule this past season. I just hope we don’t slack. I’d rather play interesting competition than a bunch of teams that don’t matter. That is assuming that we can get them to come play us at home as well.

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Southern Miss has a great tradition as well. They’ve been down and won’t travel as well as Marshall, but they are a very attractive home opponent. I would imagine both of those games will be filled to the brim.

[quote=“chidave, post:63, topic:29418”]Southern Miss has a great tradition as well. They’ve been down and won’t travel as well as Marshall, but they are a very attractive home opponent. I would imagine both of those games will be filled to the brim.[/quote]USM still isn’t anywhere near being a ranked team again, but I think they become bowl eligible this year.

Basically agree. We need to expand but I fear it would just be more empty seats at this point.[/quote]

Doesn’t matter if there’s empty seats since we need 1 big game a year to help the average. It’s more important to NOT have the smallest stadium in FBS so that we can get recruits in the door, so we can win more games, so we CAN put butts in those extra seats.[/quote]

I don’t think anyone doesn’t understand the need for a larger stadium. I think we all want it and I think we all understand why. With that said our AD hasn’t been able to prove they can sell the extra seats at our current capacity and somehow we have to pay for those added seats. For me those are the two big things. I am very anxious to see how the later start times impact sales and attendance.[/quote]I think the Marshall game will show them this year the need for more seats. Sure we probably won’t be able to fill up 25,000 seats every game (because we haven’t even filled up 15,000 for every game), but with a potentially ranked Marshall team rolling into town, there are going to be A LOT of ticket requests. That game will be SRO without question.

It may not be big time college football in the sense of the SEC, but it’ll have a big time atmosphere.[/quote]

I think the AD is going to be shocked when those Marshall fans start coming in. Hope we are ready for them on the field and off.[/quote]

Holy cow - can you imagine what we could sell our seats for? Need some sort of temporary expansion for this game. Not doing that I think is short-sighted.

Basically agree. We need to expand but I fear it would just be more empty seats at this point.[/quote]

Doesn’t matter if there’s empty seats since we need 1 big game a year to help the average. It’s more important to NOT have the smallest stadium in FBS so that we can get recruits in the door, so we can win more games, so we CAN put butts in those extra seats.[/quote]

I don’t think anyone doesn’t understand the need for a larger stadium. I think we all want it and I think we all understand why. With that said our AD hasn’t been able to prove they can sell the extra seats at our current capacity and somehow we have to pay for those added seats. For me those are the two big things. I am very anxious to see how the later start times impact sales and attendance.[/quote]I think the Marshall game will show them this year the need for more seats. Sure we probably won’t be able to fill up 25,000 seats every game (because we haven’t even filled up 15,000 for every game), but with a potentially ranked Marshall team rolling into town, there are going to be A LOT of ticket requests. That game will be SRO without question.

It may not be big time college football in the sense of the SEC, but it’ll have a big time atmosphere.[/quote]

I think the AD is going to be shocked when those Marshall fans start coming in. Hope we are ready for them on the field and off.[/quote]

Holy cow - can you imagine what we could sell our seats for? Need some sort of temporary expansion for this game. Not doing that I think is short-sighted.[/quote]

Short sighted??? More like blind as a bat.

Going smaller seems to be the trend in basketball arenas. The renovations to Littlejohn at Clemson will reduce seating by 20% - 10,000 to 8,000.

Even the new Jerry Richardson Indoor Stadium at Wofford will be slightly smaller seat-wise than the current Benjamin Johnson Arena - from 3,500 to 3,400.

When Halton was built, there was at least some grumbling that it was too small. TV has changed all of that. Littlejohn will now be smaller than Halton. And it begs the question of whether an eventual updated for Halton shouldnt include removing some seating in favor of luxury boxes too? Some of the best hoops arenas these days are 7-10k. Look at games at VCU, Wichita State, etc.

When TWC arena was built, the team effectively downsized from the 23k arena on Tyvola. This was pro basketball.

If anyone looks past Kentucky, and maybe one or two other programs (eg Tennessee), most of the SEC schools have arenas closer to the size of Halton than the pro sized arenas like KY, Louisville, Memphis, etc.

It’s happening in football now too. The CUSA schools with large older bowls (eg UTEP & Rice) cover a portion of their seats permanently. I suspect that is coming for many big 10 schools as well.

However, mirroring the economy - there is a trend to cater to the prvileged (1%) types with more high end amenities and luxury boxes. We probably need to be thinking about that expansion of the Rich.

Below is Providence Park (formally Jeld Wen stadium, and a few other names), home of the Portland Timbers (MLS):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Jeldwenfield2011.png (large)

Seating capacity is about 22-23k. This stadium almost looks like they started with seating like JRS already has, and built upwards.

A few things I like about this staidum:

  1. Intimacy. Every seat seems to be right in on the action, and as a whole, the stadium has a very intimate, obsessed fan vibe. It also gets very loud.

  2. Look at the luxury boxes - these are sponsored by a local dealership (hello ADs office - another naming rights opportunity). They’re nice inside, but not ridiculously opulent, and more importantly, they are right in on the action. I bet the Charlotte ADs office could sell 5-10 of these at $10-15k each, annually, to local major businesses - Lowe’s, WF, BofA, CMC, etc. Easily. They would pay for themselves, and build more ties to the business community. The naming rights for the suites would be a good chance for one of the new-to-the-area busiensses to get its name out - and if it’s on suites facing the camera, in constant view of TV broadcasts, it would only increase the value.

  3. there’s also a sponsored Club level. Same concept as above. I do wish we could put a bar in, but you can have private concessions.

  4. Much of the stadium seating is covered. Night games and lights are cheaper answers, but you can always cover a portion of the stadium and make those premium seats. It does rain too sometimes.

  5. Just the look of the stadium - “finishes” (too much HGTV with the wife) look like a coffee/hangout bar in the pacific NW, which isn’t a bad thing since that’s their market and its familiar and comfortable for those folks. I like how dead space in the stadium is covered with team logos/art/etc (we actually do a pretty good job of this, these days - kudos to whomever is in charge of that - I like all the gold mine and charlotte 49ers stuff in both of our arenas).

  6. The have a team store tucked inside the stadium - and its walls are glass/lots of windows - come on in and get some gear. BTW, this is also spnsored “the Adidas Timbers team store” - Maximize revenue opportunities:

  1. This isn’t a stadium feature per se, but IIRC, both the Timbers and the Sounders have loyalty systems based on a card system (the card is also their season ticket). You get so many points just for buying season tix, then more for each use (showing up), and anytime you spend money in the stadium, etc. They also do special promotions for each game - maybe a hot dog & beer that weekend is 50% off for club members. The manager/operator of the Sounders says that total revenues on merch, etc increased once they started that program, and it further encourages attendance.

I wish we would consider ideas like this, as well as working to continue to improve the tailgaiting and student experience (as has previously been discussed). Expansion of JRS should happen, but if we do it right, it’ll add value to the entire experience and give us a chance to be a leader, rather than a follower. Football games are infrequent events, but captive audiences. Product on the field comes first, but it’s also about making your 4 hours + tailgate as much easy fun as it can be.

I’d like to see the Luquire Press Box duplicated on the “away” side and made into 6-10 luxury boxes. Otherwise when we do build decks they won’t be the at the same level.

I agree with this. It amazed me that the initial design of the stadium was asymmetrical and was probably done to cut costs. If built this way, it may be “penny wise and pound foolish.”

And not to forget that within C-USA the renovation to Reed Green at Southern Miss will shrink seating from 8,000 to a figure between 6,500 and 7,000.

clt says all of this shrinkage is due to the water. It was cold.

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clt says this steinfeld show looks funny. When does it air?

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clt says this steinfeld show looks funny. When does it air?[/quote]

M-F on TBS. You should check it out as it looks like it could be a good show. I hope it is not cancelled any time soon.

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clt says this steinfeld show looks funny. When does it air?[/quote]

M-F on TBS. You should check it out as it looks like it could be a good show. I hope it is not cancelled any time soon.

I doubt this show amounts to anything. It is probably about absolutely nothing.

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clt says this steinfeld show looks funny. When does it air?[/quote]

M-F on TBS. You should check it out as it looks like it could be a good show. I hope it is not cancelled any time soon.
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clt says thanks, bro.

Maybe we could let the homeless have the upper level of halton.