Stick a fork in Lutz, he's done!

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Coach Lutz, what can I say? I’m not trying to be harsh, but I’m just going to say things how I see it. Lutz is a below medicore coach with an inability to recruit and [B]DEVELOP[/B] a true front court player around or taller than 6’9. (Iti, Coleman, Phil Jones) To be successful at the college level, every college bball team needs a dominant or aggressive frontcourt player who can take pressure off backcourt players by attracting double-teams, etc. Sure there’s the fuss over Beasly passing over the 49ers and all, but I can’t blame his decision. Since the beginning of the 05-06 season, Lutz has been turning players who should be playing small forward into centers (Drayton, Withers(maybe), Mack…)

It’s been troubling to see the inability of numerous ballplayers to develop the basic fundamentals and IQ ready for the next level. However, if you recruit dumb players then the team is going to make poor decisions on and off the court (team gpa: 2.2). When your whole offense revolves around setting two or three screens so one player can jack up a three, then there’s a real problem. I’m not blaming the players for their poor decision making skills and poor shot selections because they should be groomed in practice for possible scenarious that could occur on the court, which Lutz has failed on a consistent basis of accomplishing, season after season (ex: failing to accomplish a simple inbounds pass).

Charlotte is an area booming with talented recruits, but Lutz always go after jucos for some reason. Sure there’s the argument that after all the ACC schools get their pick of the prospects in Charlotte there are no good recruits left, but that’s BS. I will never figure out how Lutz let Curry slip through his fingers because Curry is the IDEAL player made for Lutz’s three-point jackin system. Up the road about 2hrs away in VA is probably the best bball high school in the country (Oak Hill Academy) with some of the best 3-point shooting players, but it’s strange to wonder how come Lutz hasn’t recruited a single player from there in all of my 4 years here at Charlotte.

Then there’s the argument of winning 20 games this past season. In my opinion, any coach with half a brain could’ve won 20 games with the players we had. Players are supposed to get better as the season progresses, not stay in the same place as they were when the season started. If Lutz could recognize the potential of his players, then he would’ve started Gerrity later in the season b/c of his offensive capabilities, and called set plays for Wilderness who started off the season confident and aggerssing which showed vs WF.

Charlotte will NEVER win a national championship with Lutz as coach, and it’s sad b/c loyal niner nation fans are starting to realize this. [B]Lutz if you read this, all I can say is go take a coaching class on the basics, fundamentals, and recruiting aspects of basketball, because it appears that your system is a phony version of Coach K’s without the wins and players.[/B]

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Coach Lutz, what can I say? I'm not trying to be harsh, but I'm just going to say things how I see it. Lutz is a below medicore coach with an inability to recruit and [B]DEVELOP[/B] a true front court player around or taller than 6'9. (Iti, Coleman, Phil Jones) To be successful at the college level, every college bball team needs a dominant or aggressive frontcourt player who can take pressure off backcourt players by attracting double-teams, etc. Sure there's the fuss over Beasly passing over the 49ers and all, but I can't blame his decision. Since the beginning of the 05-06 season, Lutz has been turning players who should be playing small forward into centers (Drayton, Withers(maybe), Mack...)

It’s been troubling to see the inability of numerous ballplayers to develop the basic fundamentals and IQ ready for the next level. However, if you recruit dumb players then the team is going to make poor decisions on and off the court (team gpa: 2.2). When your whole offense revolves around setting two or three screens so one player can jack up a three, then there’s a real problem. I’m not blaming the players for their poor decision making skills and poor shot selections because they should be groomed in practice for possible scenarious that could occur on the court, which Lutz has failed on a consistent basis of accomplishing, season after season (ex: failing to accomplish a simple inbounds pass).

Charlotte is an area booming with talented recruits, but Lutz always go after jucos for some reason. Sure there’s the argument that after all the ACC schools get their pick of the prospects in Charlotte there are no good recruits left, but that’s BS. I will never figure out how Lutz let Curry slip through his fingers because Curry is the IDEAL player made for Lutz’s three-point jackin system. Up the road about 2hrs away in VA is probably the best bball high school in the country (Oak Hill Academy) with some of the best 3-point shooting players, but it’s strange to wonder how come Lutz hasn’t recruited a single player from there in all of my 4 years here at Charlotte.

Then there’s the argument of winning 20 games this past season. In my opinion, any coach with half a brain could’ve won 20 games with the players we had. Players are supposed to get better as the season progresses, not stay in the same place as they were when the season started. If Lutz could recognize the potential of his players, then he would’ve started Gerrity later in the season b/c of his offensive capabilities, and called set plays for Wilderness who started off the season confident and aggerssing which showed vs WF.

Charlotte will NEVER win a national championship with Lutz as coach, and it’s sad b/c loyal niner nation fans are starting to realize this. Lutz if you read this, all I can say is go take a coaching class on the basics, fundamentals, and recruiting aspects of basketball, because it appears that your system is a phony version of Coach K’s without the wins and players.

Why don’t you tell us how you really feel?

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Welcome to NinerNation undercoverniner. Speaking of taking a class. Messageboard posting 101 says to not start a new thread when there are already a thousand threads about the same thing…

As for your post…

It’s been troubling to see the inability of numerous ballplayers to develop the basic fundamentals and IQ ready for the next level. However, if you recruit dumb players then the team is going to make poor decisions on and off the court (team gpa: 2.2).

Are speaking of someone specific here? Because that sounds like a shot.

When your whole offense revolves around setting two or three screens so one player can jack up a three, then there's a real problem.
Ever watch Davidson play? That is what they do. We actually run plays for different things. However, that style seems to be working for Davidson...
I will never figure out how Lutz let Curry slip through his fingers because Curry is the IDEAL player made for Lutz's three-point jackin system.
Curry is not at Davidson because he wanted to go there and chose them over others. He is there because no one recruited him from anywhere. He wasn't that great in HS. Davidson go lucky.
Up the road about 2hrs away in VA is probably the best bball high school in the country (Oak Hill Academy) with some of the best 3-point shooting players, but it's strange to wonder how come Lutz hasn't recruited a single player from there in all of my 4 years here at Charlotte.
They have been recruited, they have just ended up elsewhere.
Then there's the argument of winning 20 games this past season. In my opinion, any coach with half a brain could've won 20 games with the players we had. Players are supposed to get better as the season progresses, not stay in the same place as they were when the season started
First off, this team had only two guys with decent minutes last year and one other with D1 experience. Lutz didn't do too bad of a job, and I think it takes more than half a brain to get what he got out of them. And if you think this team didn't improve through the season or change, then you are a blind fool. Additionally, didn't you just say before this that he can't recruit??

Care to make additional unfounded, off-balanced comments?

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Douche

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Bag

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Gimme a break already.

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First, don’t get ur panties in a bunch, all I’m saying is there are numerous less qualified coaches out there that could do the same subpar job as Lutz without making $300g…second, were not Davidson because Davidson is nationally known and has distinguished themselves, also Davidson hasn’ been a consistent threat the past couple of years because of their offensive gameplan which requires and exceptional shooter…third, the argument about only two guys having D1 experience is stupid because ability and skill far outweighs experience (Melo, Beasly, Durant…etc) it’s the coaches responsibility to coach and prepare the players in practice about game time situations and scenarios, and looking at the past bball seaon, the players were still making the small critical mistakes they were making at the beginning of the season, at the end of the season, so who’s fault is that? fourth, as for recruiting, the tidewater region of VA (Norfolk, VA Beach, Hampton, Suffolk) is booming with unbelivable talent, if the same amount of effort could be spent on recruiting HS players (like from Oak Hill) instead of 2 year jucos, then gradually as these players become more familiar with the “jackin up the three system” the players will become phenominal (goldwire, basden, withers, plavich…etc), but with the current “jackin up the three system” in place, it takes atleast 2 yrs for players to become comfortable in the system. I guess none of this really matters b/c as long as Lutz is around the 49ers will continue to live by the three but mostly die by the three at crunch time.

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Much better post than your first 2

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skill far outweighs experience (Melo, Beasly, Durant...etc) .

Well, until we are in a top power conference, it will be extrememly difficult to get any of these guys. We came close with Beasley, but there are only a handful of guys who can produce like that as freshman. I can only imagine what could have been, but I saw what was, and I was actually quite pleased this season. Had Lutz gone out there and went 14-16 again, then I would be calling for his head, but he won 20 games and looks like he has a team together that should go to the dance next year. I feel like the future is bright.

Also, all of the guys you mentioned had some players around them with D1 experience. Some also came in with some other stellar freshman. Melo had Warrick and McNamara, Beasley had Walker and some other guys. Durant came in with DJ Augustin who is the best pg in the nation.

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[QUOTE=ChevEE;308022]As for your post…
Are speaking of someone specific here? Because that sounds like a shot.[/QUOTE]

From another thread about posting gpa info on a messageboard:

[QUOTE=run49er;279363]Survivor, I read that thread and another related one on the Bona board. First, if there is an SBU employee who is passing along student grade info about basketball players to someone on the Bona Bandwagon, there’s going to be hell to pay for that since they are engaging in an illegal activity by doing so.[/QUOTE]

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i’m going through your post and seeing fallacy after fallacy, wondering how long its going to take for me to reply to each individual erroneous statement. after getting through your second post, i realize that your post(s) are so incredibly terrible, they do not even warrant a response.

so i’ll just say this:

with the recruiting budget we have, the lack of alumni donations and private gifts that come to the athletic department, and the non-football conference we are affiliated with…

who could do a better job? start naming names because i’m open to suggestion. any high-profile assistant coach from another school that had any success here would bolt instantly, and we cant afford any high-profile coach who is currently out of a job.

you wanna see results? get off this ****ing message board and push for football. as soon as football gets here and gets rolling, the better recruits start showing a little interest here and bobby looks like a genius when we start advancing in the tournament. or maybe work on getting some sizable donations to the athletic department for better recruiting budgets. sir, this is all about money, and without football we dont have any.
sit down, shut up, and enjoy watching a damn respectable 20 win team with kids that put out their best effort every night and show excellent class on and off the court.

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[QUOTE=undercoverniner;308018] Up the road about 2hrs away in VA is probably the best bball high school in the country (Oak Hill Academy) with some of the best 3-point shooting players, but it’s strange to wonder how come Lutz hasn’t recruited a single player from there in all of my 4 years here at Charlotte.
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Landing and not recruiting players are two different things. I am sure Lutz has recruited players from Oak Hill in your 4 years - in fact Beas was at Oak Hill for time while we were recruiting him. Dee Toliver came here and played at Oak Hill. You obviously know very little about our program, both current and past. You might want to educate yourself before you start spouting off.

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I got excited because I thought this was going to have some breaking news about lutz.

…then I saw it was just another lutz hating thread by a nube.

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Coach Lutz, what can I say? I'm not trying to be harsh, but I'm just going to say things how I see it. Lutz is a below medicore coach with an inability to recruit and [B]DEVELOP[/B] a true front court player around or taller than 6'9. (Iti, Coleman, Phil Jones) To be successful at the college level, every college bball team needs a dominant or aggressive frontcourt player who can take pressure off backcourt players by attracting double-teams, etc. Sure there's the fuss over Beasly passing over the 49ers and all, but I can't blame his decision. Since the beginning of the 05-06 season, Lutz has been turning players who should be playing small forward into centers (Drayton, Withers(maybe), Mack...)

It’s been troubling to see the inability of numerous ballplayers to develop the basic fundamentals and IQ ready for the next level. However, if you recruit dumb players then the team is going to make poor decisions on and off the court (team gpa: 2.2). When your whole offense revolves around setting two or three screens so one player can jack up a three, then there’s a real problem. I’m not blaming the players for their poor decision making skills and poor shot selections because they should be groomed in practice for possible scenarious that could occur on the court, which Lutz has failed on a consistent basis of accomplishing, season after season (ex: failing to accomplish a simple inbounds pass).

Charlotte is an area booming with talented recruits, but Lutz always go after jucos for some reason. Sure there’s the argument that after all the ACC schools get their pick of the prospects in Charlotte there are no good recruits left, but that’s BS. I will never figure out how Lutz let Curry slip through his fingers because Curry is the IDEAL player made for Lutz’s three-point jackin system. Up the road about 2hrs away in VA is probably the best bball high school in the country (Oak Hill Academy) with some of the best 3-point shooting players, but it’s strange to wonder how come Lutz hasn’t recruited a single player from there in all of my 4 years here at Charlotte.

Then there’s the argument of winning 20 games this past season. In my opinion, any coach with half a brain could’ve won 20 games with the players we had. Players are supposed to get better as the season progresses, not stay in the same place as they were when the season started. If Lutz could recognize the potential of his players, then he would’ve started Gerrity later in the season b/c of his offensive capabilities, and called set plays for Wilderness who started off the season confident and aggerssing which showed vs WF.

Charlotte will NEVER win a national championship with Lutz as coach, and it’s sad b/c loyal niner nation fans are starting to realize this. Lutz if you read this, all I can say is go take a coaching class on the basics, fundamentals, and recruiting aspects of basketball, because it appears that your system is a phony version of Coach K’s without the wins and players.

Iti and Coleman. They were wastes of space man. They both had a bad attitude but didnt have the talent to back it up. there is nothing you can do about that. End of story.

Why waste your money recruiting at Oak Hill, anyone whos anyone there is going to some major ACC, BE, or SEC team. If they arent - they probably arent worth it.

And finally - have you ever watched a lutz practice? I did for about 15 minutes one afternoon and I was impressed. And I also think our guys are developing just fine after their first year.

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Much better post than your first 2

Hilarious.

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(1)...inability to recruit and [B]DEVELOP[/B] a true front court player around or taller than 6'9. (Iti, Coleman, Phil Jones) To be successful at the college level, every college bball team needs a dominant or aggressive frontcourt player who can take pressure off backcourt players by attracting double-teams, etc. ...

(2)…Lutz has been turning players who should be playing small forward into centers (Drayton, Withers(maybe), Mack…)

(3)…When your whole offense revolves around setting two or three screens so one player can jack up a three, then there’s a real problem. I’m not blaming the players for their poor decision making skills and poor shot selections because they should be groomed in practice for possible scenarious that could occur on the court, which Lutz has failed on a consistent basis of accomplishing, season after season (ex: failing to accomplish a simple inbounds pass).

(4)…Charlotte is an area booming with talented recruits, but Lutz always go after jucos for some reason. Sure there’s the argument that after all the ACC schools get their pick of the prospects in Charlotte there are no good recruits left, but that’s BS. I will never figure out how Lutz let Curry slip through his fingers because Curry is the IDEAL player made for Lutz’s three-point jackin system. Up the road about 2hrs away in VA is probably the best bball high school in the country (Oak Hill Academy) with some of the best 3-point shooting players, but it’s strange to wonder how come Lutz hasn’t recruited a single player from there in all of my 4 years here at Charlotte.

(5)…In my opinion, any coach with half a brain could’ve won 20 games with the players we had. Players are supposed to get better as the season progresses, not stay in the same place as they were when the season started…

(6)…Charlotte will NEVER win a national championship with Lutz as coach, and it’s sad b/c loyal niner nation fans are starting to realize this…

(1) Seriously, you name a guy who has played one year (Jones), one who had a piss poor attitude who was overrated by many recruiting services (Iti), and Coleman an undersized JuCo big man. Jones still has time, so I’ll leave that alone. Iti was so fat headed due to the people that handled him it was ridiculous. He declared for the draft after his freshman season, enough said. Coleman wasn’t that good, I’ll agree, but you act as if nobody else ever has busts. Sure I’d love for Lutz to get a reliable big man, but his system doesn’t really call for one, so he’ll have a hard time recruiting one.

(2) In college, many squads do not employ a center, they use a 3 guard line-up or 3 F line-up. It is more rare to see a PG-SG-SF-PF-C line-up in college than any other. Good 7 footers just do not goto college much anymore, and only do now b/c they’re forced to. Withers and Drayton played PF, EJ was a SF, Withers would have been in the NBA likely, but in college we was a good sized PF. Mack is a SF/PF in college, but all SF at the next level. They may say he is at center but if you can’t tell we don’t exactly employ that traditional line-up along with most of college basketball.

(3) I’ll agree, I don’t like how our offense is largely predicated on the 3. That’s fairly fixable with screeners sliding and cutting. Yea, we don’t do it, but would only be an extra piece to stick in, especially with the way teams help and over play on our shooters. So the screening for a 3 could be really good with one more layer added to it.

(4) Charlotte does have tons of talent, some that is on par with what we normally recruit, but does it ever occur to you that they do not want to come here? Maybe they do not fit the system (their thought or ours), have behavioral problems the coaching staff doesn’t like, do not want to stay close to home to play, are not that interested in playing in the A10, or think they are better then they are and would rather end up being a backup at an ACC, SEC school rather then possibly being a contributor or star here.

(5) I don’t think that’s the case. Could other coaches have won 20 games with this team? Sure, but did any of them do it? No. I’ll agree the system lost us our fair share of games, but it won its fair share also. Sure, I’d love wins to be more comfortable and less losses to teams we have no business losing too, but college basketball is becoming progressively more balanced which there has been evidence of in this NCAA Tourney, but you’ve probably only watched your beloved Tar Heels beat up Mt. St. Marys.

(6) If you expect Charlotte to win a National Championship at all in the next 5-10 years you sir are a dreamer and need to pass the crack, meth, or heroine this way, b/c it must be good… seen any dragons lately? Don’t get me wrong, I’d love for it to happen, but mathematically our odds are very slim, just in comparison with the number of teams in D1, now factor in aspects of schedules, budgets, and other background factors and those odds grow. I’d be the first to congratulate whatever Charlotte team could win it, but right now we have to actually make the tourney and must past the first round before we can win it.

I can understand your problems to an extent, but you seem to not be very logical at all in your expression of it, and I’ll quote you here as you seem to lack any idea on…

[B]coaching the basics, fundamentals, and recruiting aspects of basketball[/B]
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I got a bright idea…lets start another thread about Lutz’ coaching style

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First, don't get ur panties in a bunch, all I'm saying is there are numerous less qualified coaches out there that could do the same subpar job as Lutz without making $300g.....second, were not Davidson because Davidson is nationally known and has distinguished themselves, also Davidson hasn' been a consistent threat the past couple of years because of their offensive gameplan which requires and exceptional shooter.....third, the argument about only two guys having D1 experience is stupid because ability and skill far outweighs experience (Melo, Beasly, Durant...etc) it's the coaches responsibility to coach and prepare the players in practice about game time situations and scenarios, and looking at the past bball seaon, the players were still making the small critical mistakes they were making at the beginning of the season, at the end of the season, so who's fault is that? fourth, as for recruiting, the tidewater region of VA (Norfolk, VA Beach, Hampton, Suffolk) is booming with unbelivable talent, if the same amount of effort could be spent on recruiting HS players (like from Oak Hill) instead of 2 year jucos, then gradually as these players become more familiar with the "jackin up the three system" the players will become phenominal (goldwire, basden, withers, plavich...etc), but with the current "jackin up the three system" in place, it takes atleast 2 yrs for players to become comfortable in the system. I guess none of this really matters b/c as long as Lutz is around the 49ers will continue to live by the three but mostly die by the three at crunch time.

Hey man, I work at Circuit City… We have quite a few keyboards on sale, and every one has a working “Enter” key. Come see me.

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[QUOTE=ChevEE;308022]
Curry is not at Davidson because he wanted to go there and chose them over others. He is there because no one recruited him from anywhere. He wasn’t that great in HS. Davidson got lucky.

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Nobody was recruiting Curry. He wanted to go to VT to follow in his dad’s footsteps, but they only offered him a spot as a walk-on. I’m sure everyone in the country would want him now, but hindsight is always 20/20.

As far as Oak Hill, Dee Tolliver was signed from there, played here, and then we signed him on as an assistant. He wasn’t an assistant here long, but we’ve had that contact with Oak Hill for awhile. I think Dee might have even gone back to coach at Oak Hill for a short period, could be wrong though.