[QUOTE=X-49er;222505]And you sound like most RepublicansâŚWeâre right and [B]everyone else [/B]is crazy!!!:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
You are proving my point 
You will feel different when you grow up
amen? (most of them don't deserve to be in D1), somebody had to recruit these stiffs and sign them.
itâs reasons like this that other schools look at our fans and school like a god damned joke. what a stupid thing to say. tar heel wal mart fans huhâŚwhat a joke.
[QUOTE=LeftyNiner;222514]Hand picked? Iron, you know better than that.[/QUOTE]
He doesnât have his choice of players, no one does. Being a coach would be easy then. But, these were the guys he selected to give scholarships to, no? Iâm not so sure what recruiting advantages Davidson and Winthrop have over us, but theyâve both been MILES better than us the last 2 years. Are you satisfied with that? Iâm not.
Iâm almost positive if Bobby had his choice of recruits that everyone would be top 20. Thatâs just absurd to say he hand picks the recruits like their waiting for him like a basket of apples.
[QUOTE=sf49er;222517]You are proving my point
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And you are proving mine. 
[QUOTE=sf49er;222517]You will feel different when you grow up
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When I grow up? Thatâs funny. Thanks, pops. :huhsign:
LUTZ SUCKS, get him outa here!!!
[QUOTE=Ninerballin;222522]Iâm almost positive if Bobby had his choice of recruits that everyone would be top 20. Thatâs just absurd to say he hand picks the recruits like their waiting for him like a basket of apples.[/QUOTE]
Um, I think I just explained that in my last post. Read much?
If you donât like the hand picked phrase, I will retract it. You are missing the point and arguing semantics. What Iâm saying is Bobby did not inherit one player on this team. He recruited and offered scholarships to these players. Are these the best he could get? If thatâs your âexcuseâ, then, again, Iâll point to the fact that Winthrop and Davidson, both local teams who have vastly inferior resources and are in worse conferences than us have been on a different playing field than us the last two years. Care to explain that?
No Bobby does not get to handpick the recruits. Where I hold him responsible is for decisions in the game, his play calling is questionable and his ability to develop talent (consistantly). He does not have the ability to develop talent the way some coaches do. Of course he does not handpick the players but their play falls on him. Some on here seem to forget why he gets paid.
[QUOTE=Iron9er;222538]If thatâs your âexcuseâ, then, again, Iâll point to the fact that Winthrop and Davidson, both local teams who have vastly inferior resources and are in worse conferences than us have been on a different playing field than us the last two years.[/QUOTE]
The sad part is Winthrop would beat our @$$ this season. Yes, I do believe that.
[QUOTE=ninerball49;222518]itâs reasons like this that other schools look at our fans and school like a god damned joke. what a stupid thing to say. tar heel wal mart fans huhâŚwhat a joke.[/QUOTE]
can you even follow a thread Einstein?
someone criticized Lutz, then someone defended Lutz by saying it the players fault for not following instruction, and all I simply said was âits the coach who signs these stiffsâ (in either case its the coachâs fault). He is the one who asssembled the team, and yes 1/2 of them are not legit D1 talent.
If you were old enough, you would know what real D1 talent looks like in a Charlotte jerseyâŚits not 50lb overweight players and point gaurds my daughter could shake.
the bottom line (and Iâll spell it out for you since youâre slow) is that your attempts to defend Lutz on the basis of âthe players donât listenâ is faulty logic. Its the coach who has to sign players who are talented and are coachable. All the Lutz jocksniffers who blame our players are not making sense.
[QUOTE=Iron9er;222538]Um, I think I just explained that in my last post. Read much?
If you donât like the hand picked phrase, I will retract it. You are missing the point and arguing semantics. What Iâm saying is Bobby did not inherit one player on this team. He recruited and offered scholarships to these players. Are these the best he could get? If thatâs your âexcuseâ, then, again, Iâll point to the fact that Winthrop and Davidson, both local teams who have vastly inferior resources and are in worse conferences than us have been on a different playing field than us the last two years. Care to explain that?[/QUOTE]
iron,
there are some that are so enamored by Bobbyâs success 8 years ago, they cannot hear you. Give up. Of course Lutz is soley responsible for the pathetic performance the last 2 years. We all know he canât âhand pickâ his team, but guess whatâŚNOBODY hand picks their team. All D1 teams compete for talent, and we are not very good at it. Lesser schools are kicking our ass getting bodies.
can you even follow a thread Einstein?someone criticized Lutz, then someone defended Lutz by saying it the players fault for not following instruction, and all I simply said was âits the coach who signs these stiffsâ (in either case its the coachâs fault). He is the one who asssembled the team, and yes 1/2 of them are not legit D1 talent.
If you were old enough, you would know what real D1 talent looks like in a Charlotte jerseyâŚits not 50lb overweight players and point gaurds my daughter could shake.
the bottom line (and Iâll spell it out for you since youâre slow) is that your attempts to defend Lutz on the basis of âthe players donât listenâ is faulty logic. Its the coach who has to sign players who are talented and are coachable. All the Lutz jocksniffers who blame our players are not making sense.
[FONT=Times New Roman]Exactly.
[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Does it not bother anyone that we recruit a number of academically [FONT="]ineligible players? Every year someone doesnât become a niner. We get guys like C.J. Pigford as well.[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]
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axe to grind?
[QUOTE=ninerID;222546][FONT=Times New Roman]Exactly.
[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Does it not bother anyone that we recruit a number of academically [FONT="]ineligible players? Every year someone doesnât become a niner. We get guys like C.J. Pigford as well.[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/QUOTE]
Yes it bothers me. Metro is right in stating that it is the coaches fault because he recruits these guys. I think Lutz philosphy of getting the âbest athletic abilityâ has not worked out the last couple of years. We have taken a chance on some guys and it has not worked out.
Lutz has done a lot for this University and he gets a pass from me for this year.
I think recruiting to the A10 is hurting us more than most realize.
Whether youâre anti or pro-Lutz, the next two years will be very telling. You can argue that a good bit of Lutzâs early success came as a result of Melvinâs players and that Bobby has done a poor job in recent years with all the JUCOâs and various busts. But you can also argue that since then, Lutz has had to deal with losing key assistants, losing key recruits, conference realignment and recruiting in a subpar conference.
There will be no excuses beyond the youth of next season. Bobby has Moxley back and we have a solid class coming in, with no heavy dependency on JUCO talent. Iâll give Bobby a free pass next season simply because we lose 4 of our 5 starters and bring in some young, unproven talent. However, if Bobby cannot turn things around by the 2008-09 season, then I donât think the Lutz supporters will have a leg to stand on. And neither will Bobby, who will then be coaching in the final year of his contract. I hope he turns it around and the potential is certainly going to be there to do so. So, it comes down to coaching during these next two seasons and IMO, Bobby has a great opportunity to prove his critics wrong or simply confirm what many of them already believe to be true.
The rest of what you typed is the same crap different day.You are obviously too close to Lutz to be objective.
Isnât that what everyone says when someone actually defends the coach or a certain player?
As a coach you have to be able to count on your senior to make good decisions and DA just makes bad bad decisions. What is said in the media differs greatly from what is said behind closed doors. What do you expect Bobby to do? Bench his all conference player?
The reality is I called for change when we were getting blown out earlier in the OOC schedule. Since then the team has improved radically. Seeing us challenge a solid GW squad and then watching Bobby get ripped to shreds for it to me is just not fair. They have better players than we do. They were supposed to win. They did. We had a chance to win and our players just didnât get it done. It is a coaches job to put his players in a position to win. Bobby did that. The players have to win it.
Something tells me that Bobby doesnât teach throwing a basketball at an opponent in practice. And I know he doesnât tell them to fadeaway from the 3 point line.
Whether you're anti or pro-Lutz, the next two years will be very telling. You can argue that a good bit of Lutz's early success came as a result of Melvin's players and that Bobby has done a poor job in recent years with all the JUCO's and various busts. But you can also argue that since then, Lutz has had to deal with losing key assistants, losing key recruits, conference realignment and recruiting in a subpar conference.There will be no excuses beyond the youth of next season. Bobby has Moxley back and we have a solid class coming in, with no heavy dependency on JUCO talent. Iâll give Bobby a free pass next season simply because we lose 4 of our 5 starters and bring in some young, unproven talent. However, if Bobby cannot turn things around by the 2008-09 season, then I donât think the Lutz supporters will have a leg to stand on. And neither will Bobby, who will then be coaching in the final year of his contract. I hope he turns it around and the potential is certainly going to be there to do so. So, it comes down to coaching during these next two seasons and IMO, Bobby has a great opportunity to prove his critics wrong or simply confirm what many of them already believe to be true.
I think this is sort of the point I want to get at. Bobby has 1 more year to prove himself. I donât blame him for the recruiting woes. The head coach rarely does the recruiting work. That is done by the assistants. The constant change in our assistants has cost us some recruits. We went after some big name guys and they fell through and we were left with scraps whereas Winthrop went out and got the 150-200 ranked players in HS and coached them up. It is little wonder why they could kill us (and for the record I think Marshall is a better coach than Bobby). I just donât think the criticism for the GW game was fair. I thought Bobby coached a pretty good game and coached a better game than Karl Hobbs. Hobbs just happened to have the better horses. Blame Bobby for bad recruiting, fine. Iâll agree. Blame him for this crap year. Fine. However to blame him for the GW game in particular I felt was unfair.
[QUOTE=jcl49er;222560]Whether youâre anti or pro-Lutz, the next two years will be very telling. [/QUOTE]
Maybe its just me, but the chance of seeing this for 2 more years is absolutely depressing. Ever since that loss a couple of years ago to Louisville, it has become harder & harder to talk publicly about this program. At the time, that was only one loss, but the team has never sniffed the level again. Will I support it? Yeah, but that doesnât mean I have to accept it.
Turned the radio on this morning to hear the end of a Gregg Marshall interview. Those wacky morning radio guys were even making plans to play golf after the season ends w/ the Winthrop coach. That used to be time given to our coach, and more importantly, name recognition for the school. When they concluded, the radio folks even reminded us to stay turned for Bob McKillop (the podcasts are available). Meanwhile, Lutz is on a week ago and we canât even find the archive of the broadcast. We are becoming so âout of sight, out of mindâ in this city, I think it will take more than 2 years to bring 9,105 back to Halton for a game.
If someone has Mac Everettâs phone number, someone should suggest that he call the Fleet emema folks.
It is no one single personâs fault, but the whole athletic department is so stale and tiredâŚit needs a good cleansing.
Maybe we can work out some kind of promotional deal.
âIf the Fleet ad in your game program is signed by , take it to the rewards booth for $5.00 coupon, good at any area CVS drugstoreâ.
[QUOTE=49erFan1;222644] The constant change in our assistants has cost us some recruits. [/QUOTE]
You are correct. Given the money we have and stand to make over the coming years, I donât see things actually getting better.
This school has got to do SOMETHING creative to generate some NEW revenue streams. The asst. coaches salary issue has existed for years and not gotten better.
We are no where close to Ohio State in athletic performance, but you want to learn how far behind we are, pick up this weekâs SI.
In reading the story, I realized we are even further behind the major schools than I thought we were. Something drastic (even restructure the 49er Club to get more of the $49.00 donors to open up their wallets wider) has to happen to change the environment and TRY TO CLOSE THE GAP. Otherwise, I see us continuing to play revolving door with coaches (in basketball & football).