[quote=â2012ALUMNI49er, post:17, topic:28598â]Not necessarily the case and especially in football. Nick Saban was an assistant for 16 years, Jimbo Fisher 19 years, and even our own football coach was an assistant for 20 years.
I love threads like this. After we fired Lutz we had 2 different threads filled with people wanting to hire Mike Rice. Wouldnât that have been great?[/quote]
College Football and College Basketball are two different animals, they should not be compared. I just want a guy that has head coaching experience. I donât think thatâs to much to ask.
[quote=âEE9er, post:21, topic:28598â][quote=â2012ALUMNI49er, post:17, topic:28598â]Not necessarily the case and especially in football. Nick Saban was an assistant for 16 years, Jimbo Fisher 19 years, and even our own football coach was an assistant for 20 years.
I love threads like this. After we fired Lutz we had 2 different threads filled with people wanting to hire Mike Rice. Wouldnât that have been great?[/quote]
College Football and College Basketball are two different animals, they should not be compared. I just want a guy that has head coaching experience. I donât think thatâs to much to ask.[/quote]
I wasnât comparing them. He said assistant coaches in âall sports.â
Roy Williams 10 years, Bill Self 9 years, Jim Boeheim 8 years are all examples of longtime assistants succeeding as Head Coaches.
Re: Pearl- would be amazing. He still lives in Knoxville and works for a PR firm there. Word is heâs waiting out Cuonzo Martinâs time (which is growing short) and, believe it or not, this is very realistic since UT has a new AD and the boosters love Bruce. His son, Stephen (former UT player), lives in Knoxville and does sports radio there as well. Also, an SEC school that wants to be relevant in basketball would be foolish not to scoop him up once the show cause is over this year.
He would be a tough get for us, but crazier things have happened. He is the quintessential salesman coach (read: the anti-Alan Major).
[quote=âlucky57, post:18, topic:28598â]I was probably the first person to mention Pearl a few weeks ago.In the scheme of things his transgressions were very minor,in my mind.He wasnât paying kids or grabbing them by the neck.And for anyone who knows the SEC,you know how little of a basketball school UT was before he got there and how much excitement he generatedâŚand he won!
For those that say we could not afford himâŚmy response is CAN WE AFFORD NOT TO BRING IN SOMEONE LIKE HIM âŚand watch the continuing spiral of apathy and poor performance in our bball program.Sometimes youâve got to spend $$ to make $$.
Whether heâd take the job as a stepping stone to something biggerâŚTHAT SHOULD BE THE WORST PROBLEM WE HAVE.
Bigger problem is that by canning Major Judy would be admitting that she failed and unless sheâs thinking about retiring soon,I donât see that happening.[/quote]
I looked it up a while back, and if I remember correctly Pearl made about $2 million his last year at UT. If he would work for half that he would be a bargain, but it would still require us to come up with a lot of extra money. I assume when you say âSometimes youâve got to spend $$ to make $$.â that is your offer to chip in? Since we cannot instantly materialize another 2000 49er Club donors to pay him, our existing members all need to bump their donations by $500. Count me in.
[quote=âNugget, post:24, topic:28598â][quote=âlucky57, post:18, topic:28598â]I was probably the first person to mention Pearl a few weeks ago.In the scheme of things his transgressions were very minor,in my mind.He wasnât paying kids or grabbing them by the neck.And for anyone who knows the SEC,you know how little of a basketball school UT was before he got there and how much excitement he generatedâŚand he won!
For those that say we could not afford himâŚmy response is CAN WE AFFORD NOT TO BRING IN SOMEONE LIKE HIM âŚand watch the continuing spiral of apathy and poor performance in our bball program.Sometimes youâve got to spend $$ to make $$.
Whether heâd take the job as a stepping stone to something biggerâŚTHAT SHOULD BE THE WORST PROBLEM WE HAVE.
Bigger problem is that by canning Major Judy would be admitting that she failed and unless sheâs thinking about retiring soon,I donât see that happening.[/quote]
I looked it up a while back, and if I remember correctly Pearl made about $2 million his last year at UT. If he would work for half that he would be a bargain, but it would still require us to come up with a lot of extra money. I assume when you say âSometimes youâve got to spend $$ to make $$.â that is your offer to chip in? Since we cannot instantly materialize another 2000 49er Club donors to pay him, our existing members all need to bump their donations by $500. Count me in.[/quote]
[quote=âNugget, post:24, topic:28598â][quote=âlucky57, post:18, topic:28598â]I was probably the first person to mention Pearl a few weeks ago.In the scheme of things his transgressions were very minor,in my mind.He wasnât paying kids or grabbing them by the neck.And for anyone who knows the SEC,you know how little of a basketball school UT was before he got there and how much excitement he generatedâŚand he won!
For those that say we could not afford himâŚmy response is CAN WE AFFORD NOT TO BRING IN SOMEONE LIKE HIM âŚand watch the continuing spiral of apathy and poor performance in our bball program.Sometimes youâve got to spend $$ to make $$.
Whether heâd take the job as a stepping stone to something biggerâŚTHAT SHOULD BE THE WORST PROBLEM WE HAVE.
Bigger problem is that by canning Major Judy would be admitting that she failed and unless sheâs thinking about retiring soon,I donât see that happening.[/quote]
I looked it up a while back, and if I remember correctly Pearl made about $2 million his last year at UT. If he would work for half that he would be a bargain, but it would still require us to come up with a lot of extra money. I assume when you say âSometimes youâve got to spend $$ to make $$.â that is your offer to chip in? Since we cannot instantly materialize another 2000 49er Club donors to pay him, our existing members all need to bump their donations by $500. Count me in.[/quote]
The AD should also be able to rally the troops. It is THEIR job to raise money. It is our job to support as best we can.
[quote=âNinerWupAss, post:26, topic:28598â][quote=âNugget, post:24, topic:28598â][quote=âlucky57, post:18, topic:28598â]I was probably the first person to mention Pearl a few weeks ago.In the scheme of things his transgressions were very minor,in my mind.He wasnât paying kids or grabbing them by the neck.And for anyone who knows the SEC,you know how little of a basketball school UT was before he got there and how much excitement he generatedâŚand he won!
For those that say we could not afford himâŚmy response is CAN WE AFFORD NOT TO BRING IN SOMEONE LIKE HIM âŚand watch the continuing spiral of apathy and poor performance in our bball program.Sometimes youâve got to spend $$ to make $$.
Whether heâd take the job as a stepping stone to something biggerâŚTHAT SHOULD BE THE WORST PROBLEM WE HAVE.
Bigger problem is that by canning Major Judy would be admitting that she failed and unless sheâs thinking about retiring soon,I donât see that happening.[/quote]
I looked it up a while back, and if I remember correctly Pearl made about $2 million his last year at UT. If he would work for half that he would be a bargain, but it would still require us to come up with a lot of extra money. I assume when you say âSometimes youâve got to spend $$ to make $$.â that is your offer to chip in? Since we cannot instantly materialize another 2000 49er Club donors to pay him, our existing members all need to bump their donations by $500. Count me in.[/quote]
The AD should also be able to rally the troops. It is THEIR job to raise money. It is our job to support as best we can.[/quote]Absolutely, and I donât think they do a good enough job of it. I think that is probably a very difficult job though. The reality is to make a change by mid-April the cash will have to come from the existing fanbase.
[quote=âCard49, post:27, topic:28598â]Sounds like fantasy $ again[/quote]It might be CardâŚI donât know.But I do believe that if we continue with present regime we can set ourselves a permanent place near the bottom of a crap basketball conference,and all the frills that go with thatâŚi.e.even lower attendance,even less national exposure(if thatâs possible) even lousier ooc schedule(a hallmark of Majorâs strategy of garnering wins at any level)âŚIâd much rather contribute what I can to procuring a head coach who can sell the program(while we still have something to sell) and actually coach and inspire his playersâŚthan waste my $$ any more on season tix to watch this.
[quote=â2012ALUMNI49er, post:17, topic:28598â][quote=âSteauA, post:8, topic:28598â]This may be a general observation that is 100% incorrect but it seems to me that guys who are assistants for 10+ years who then become head coaches (at any level and in any sport) very rarely succeed as head coaches. The point being, what didnât they know after 5 years of being an assistant that they learned in the following 5 years? Not every coach is head coach material. Obviously there are exceptions to the rule but this is just something Iâve observed.
Another interesting observation is the âfire the coach, hire the opposite style of coachâ theory. If you listen to the Dan Patrick Show youâve probably heard him talk about this before. Basically teams will have a fiery, exciting coach (i.e. Lutz), things go south, they fire that coach and hire the opposite personality, a mellow âplayerâs coachâ (i.e. Major).
It will be interesting to see if the pattern continues with our next menâs basketball head coaching hire.[/quote]
Not necessarily the case and especially in football. Nick Saban was an assistant for 16 years, Jimbo Fisher 19 years, and even our own football coach was an assistant for 20 years.
I love threads like this. After we fired Lutz we had 2 different threads filled with people wanting to hire Mike Rice. Wouldnât that have been great?[/quote]
[quote=âNugget, post:28, topic:28598â][quote=âNinerWupAss, post:26, topic:28598â][quote=âNugget, post:24, topic:28598â][quote=âlucky57, post:18, topic:28598â]I was probably the first person to mention Pearl a few weeks ago.In the scheme of things his transgressions were very minor,in my mind.He wasnât paying kids or grabbing them by the neck.And for anyone who knows the SEC,you know how little of a basketball school UT was before he got there and how much excitement he generatedâŚand he won!
For those that say we could not afford himâŚmy response is CAN WE AFFORD NOT TO BRING IN SOMEONE LIKE HIM âŚand watch the continuing spiral of apathy and poor performance in our bball program.Sometimes youâve got to spend $$ to make $$.
Whether heâd take the job as a stepping stone to something biggerâŚTHAT SHOULD BE THE WORST PROBLEM WE HAVE.
Bigger problem is that by canning Major Judy would be admitting that she failed and unless sheâs thinking about retiring soon,I donât see that happening.[/quote]
I looked it up a while back, and if I remember correctly Pearl made about $2 million his last year at UT. If he would work for half that he would be a bargain, but it would still require us to come up with a lot of extra money. I assume when you say âSometimes youâve got to spend $$ to make $$.â that is your offer to chip in? Since we cannot instantly materialize another 2000 49er Club donors to pay him, our existing members all need to bump their donations by $500. Count me in.[/quote]
The AD should also be able to rally the troops. It is THEIR job to raise money. It is our job to support as best we can.[/quote]Absolutely, and I donât think they do a good enough job of it. I think that is probably a very difficult job though. The reality is to make a change by mid-April the cash will have to come from the existing fanbase.[/quote]
Would be easier if they integrated themselves with the Charlotte community and made their presence felt at every single community event that happens in town.
[quote=âNinerWupAss, post:31, topic:28598â][quote=âNugget, post:28, topic:28598â][quote=âNinerWupAss, post:26, topic:28598â][quote=âNugget, post:24, topic:28598â][quote=âlucky57, post:18, topic:28598â]I was probably the first person to mention Pearl a few weeks ago.In the scheme of things his transgressions were very minor,in my mind.He wasnât paying kids or grabbing them by the neck.And for anyone who knows the SEC,you know how little of a basketball school UT was before he got there and how much excitement he generatedâŚand he won!
For those that say we could not afford himâŚmy response is CAN WE AFFORD NOT TO BRING IN SOMEONE LIKE HIM âŚand watch the continuing spiral of apathy and poor performance in our bball program.Sometimes youâve got to spend $$ to make $$.
Whether heâd take the job as a stepping stone to something biggerâŚTHAT SHOULD BE THE WORST PROBLEM WE HAVE.
Bigger problem is that by canning Major Judy would be admitting that she failed and unless sheâs thinking about retiring soon,I donât see that happening.[/quote]
I looked it up a while back, and if I remember correctly Pearl made about $2 million his last year at UT. If he would work for half that he would be a bargain, but it would still require us to come up with a lot of extra money. I assume when you say âSometimes youâve got to spend $$ to make $$.â that is your offer to chip in? Since we cannot instantly materialize another 2000 49er Club donors to pay him, our existing members all need to bump their donations by $500. Count me in.[/quote]
The AD should also be able to rally the troops. It is THEIR job to raise money. It is our job to support as best we can.[/quote]Absolutely, and I donât think they do a good enough job of it. I think that is probably a very difficult job though. The reality is to make a change by mid-April the cash will have to come from the existing fanbase.[/quote]
Would be easier if they were better at it.[/quote]
Since we are allowing Pearl to un-disgrace himself, maybe heâll take it for $400K + a % of NCAA tourney $. He knows he can qualify, so he can make it up. + if we start winning, heâll get % of tv revenue, & would be hired away somewhere higher paying leaving us in better shape. Itâs a win-win.
itâs not like gazillions came poring in when we got football. 7 million over four years earmarked for football isnât that amazing.[/quote]
Relative to our giving it was pretty amazing and it was amazing for FCS football. Compared to the bcs leagues though not amazing.[/quote]
I think we could get him for less than the $2MM. Somebody has to take a chance on him before a big school will want him back. We know it, and he knows it. We could get a 4-5 year contract with him being able to opt out at 3 years if a bigger school came along.
We seem to have narrowed down our pick to Pearl pretty quickly. I would hire him with no concern about his NCAA violations, but I do not think we have a shot. If we were to fire Major we should make a run at him, but he will have bigger offers. If it comes down to us vs. Tennessee I might think we had a chance because of the cities. I lived in Knoxville for 2.5 years and while I enjoyed my time there, I was happy to get a chance to move back to Raleigh. Charlotte has a large, significant Jewish communityâŚKnoxville not so much. Charlotte has shopping, restaurants, and cultural events that fit a multi-millionaireâs lifestyleâor more importantly, that of his wife should he remarryâŚKnoxville not so much. Charlotte is a sports media hub and Pearl is a guy that can continue to do some TV while coachingâŚKnoxville not so much. I donât see him ending up in either place, but he would be a game changer for sure.
Helluva place to live and coach. UT is supported over there better than sports team in Charlotte, probably all combined. The women outdraw the Bobcats/Hornets, lol.
As far as lifestyle, they have some beautiful lakes around Knoxville.
Helluva place to live and coach. UT is supported over there better than sports team in Charlotte, probably all combined. The women outdraw the Bobcats/Hornets, lol.
As far as lifestyle, they have some beautiful lakes around Knoxville.
All that said, he ainât coming hereâŚ[/quote]
No, they donât. 11,000+ Vols women, 15,000+ for Bobcats