I don’t see how someone can see winning the CBI or CIT as “successful.” Even being in the CBI or CIT says loser!
The Charlotte 49ers have won every KIT since it’s inception in Mar. '94. (The Kenneth Invitational Tournament.)
I don’t think 3,100 is that bad for a tuesday game on two days notice. Student tickets were 5 bucks, everyone else paid $15. Also have consessions revenue as well. I’d think the game at the very worst paid for itself, probably made a little money. Either way we are talking really small change when the athletic budet is over 30 million dollars. The team got invited for their success and wanted to play, and several thousand fans showed up and watched a good game. No bad came out of it.
…and I don’t see how anyone can say winning a 24 team tourny where every team had winning records wouldn’t be a successful accomplishment. There are plenty of teams in the CIT and CBI that had better years than many of those Autobid teams in the NCAA’s.
Even being in the CBI or CIT says loser!
Opposed to not even having the option?
…and I don’t see how anyone can say winning a 24 team tourny where every team had winning records wouldn’t be a successful accomplishment. There are plenty of teams in the CIT and CBI that had better years than many of those Autobid teams in the NCAA’s.[/quote]
15-15 is not a winning record.
Really man, no one cares that anyone won the CBI or CIT. It’s not something to brag about or tell recruits. You tell a recruit you were IN the CBI and they’re having doubts, unless they aren’t that good of a recruit. Winning 5 games in a row against sorry competition isn’t a big deal. Having a better season than teams from bottom feeder conferences is not something to brag about.
And now, your team lost at home in that tournament.
Even being in the CBI or CIT says loser!Opposed to not even having the option?
They both say loser.
I’m not even trying to hate here. This is just kinda sad and delusional to read. My team sucked this year. I can admit it. And winning the CBI or CIT or even being in them isn’t going to change that. I’d say the same if we had won 5 more of our regular season games this year too.
Why doesn’t this StillJonesing fella go hang out on his own board?
And deny us this quality entertainment? I like opposing fans coming on NN.N. Would actually like to see more of it. The fact we don’t see it all that often says a lot.
What was entertaining was all the smack around here about Lebo before the season. Our final RPI was #231 last year, and Lebo improved to #91 in his 1st season. Third highest rated team in the state and biggest RPI improvement in basketball I can find this season.
It’s a lot farther jump from 200+ RPI to the NCAA, than from top 100/CIT to the NCAA. I think recruits can certainly see this when they are evaluating our first year coaches and which directions they have their programs headed.
Lebo has something to show progress with and point to as the next logical step as the NIT or NCAA .So saying you were in some postseason as a new coach certainly adds some value to the discussion with recruits.
You should hang a banner for that.
EZU losses are some of the most embarrassing losses we’ve ever had. This year included.
Obviously things change. A lot of programs in this state with first year coaches like Wake, UNCC, UNCW are finding out it really doesn’t really matter how you did 5 years ago, a program is only as good as your current coach. You guys can hate on the CIT but even last fall before Lebo had tangible success like postseason to show recruits, he was in the final 2 with Major for Terrence Williams in your own back yard. Look forward to recruiting battles this spring and fall.
Obviously things change. A lot of programs in this state with first year coaches like Wake, UNCC, UNCW are finding out it really doesn’t really matter how you did 5 years ago, a program is only as good as your current coach. You guys can hate on the CIT but even last fall before Lebo had tangible success like postseason to show recruits, he was in the final 2 with Major for Terrence Williams in your own back yard. Look forward to recruiting battles this spring and fall.[/quote]
Nobody is hating on the CIT, I think ECU should have taken it. Charlotte shouldnt, and I agree with our admin that anything less than NIT we should not take. Hell, this board was upset that we drew around 5-6k playing Ga Southern in the NIT in Halton a few years ago, you are championing 3k versus Jacksonville in the CIT. Different expectations.
I’m sure if our program had only been to the postseason 2 times in 45 years we would feel different and jump at the chance.
I’d hang a banner for that one too
[quote=“StillJonesing, post:27, topic:25146”]What was entertaining was all the smack around here about Lebo before the season. Our final RPI was #231 last year, and Lebo improved to #91 in his 1st season. Third highest rated team in the state and biggest RPI improvement in basketball I can find this season.
It’s a lot farther jump from 200+ RPI to the NCAA, than from top 100/CIT to the NCAA. I think recruits can certainly see this when they are evaluating our first year coaches and which directions they have their programs headed.
Lebo has something to show progress with and point to as the next logical step as the NIT or NCAA .So saying you were in some postseason as a new coach certainly adds some value to the discussion with recruits.[/quote]
You realize he didn’t make the schedule for that RPI jump, and the RPI is a crock of shit when it comes down to it. We may have split 1-1, but even in your best season you only had 5 more wins than us. 5!!! (since 3, I believe were vs. non-D1 schools). So congrats on the 5 wins, your best win was still a suspect UAB team, and even we beat better foes than that, with a rag tag roster.
Major has zero postseasons. Maybe he and your players would like a say in turning down any invites in the future if they get any. I wouldn’t read to much in your administrations stance last year, it’s clear they didn’t want to give Lutz another chance to redeem himself. After this year however Major getting to a CIT next year would be progress.
I can promise you, we would never enter the CIT.
A first year coach picking up the pieces of a fallen program… with no post seasons yet. Profound.
You sure watched it closely last year before your end of season colapse and any other year you guys use it to prove the A10 was better than CUSA. The rpi is fair and 5 more wins vs the #41 S0S instead of #125 is a big deal. So are 7 top 70 wins. We didn’t lose to a lot of bad teams. UNCC was our worst RPI loss of the year, but you have to look at the body of work and competition and the RPI does that most fairly.
Even when we were really bad we still beat two of DWade’s final 4 teams. I wouldn’t read to much into 1 win here or there. If anything I think it reflects you had talent and Major couldn’t get any consistancy out of them and reflects poorly on him. I thought you had talent both times we played.
We should hang a banner for that.
You sure watched it closely last year before your end of season colapse and any other year you guys use it to prove the A10 was better than CUSA. The rpi is fair and 5 more wins vs the #41 S0S instead of #125 is a big deal. So are 7 top 70 wins. We didn’t lose to a lot of bad teams. UNCC was our worst RPI loss of the year, but you have to look at the body of work and competition and the RPI does that most fairly.
Even when we were really bad we still beat two of DWade’s final 4 teams. I wouldn’t read to much into 1 win here or there. If anything I think it reflects you had talent and Major couldn’t get any consistancy out of them and reflects poorly on him. I thought you had talent both times we played.[/quote]
Actually, I didn’t watch it closely at all. The RPI is something that gets used, doesn’t mean it isn’t any less a crock of shit whether it gets used alot or not. UAB proved using it to get a pretty # doesn’t make you a good team, and teams have used it into the past (half the MVC) to get a pretty number and get spanked.
Great, you had a good SOS #, that means you had a decent schedule, you went .500 against it, since those 3 non-D1 teams do not get included whether win or lose in the SOS or RPI, so don’t tout the #'s so much.
Good job going back to 2003. Just b/c plenty on here do that it doesn’t justify anything in the argument. We get it you had a good year per your usual standards, and we had a shit-tastic one per ours. 1 out of 100. Hopefully, for your sake, you guys build on it.
What talent did we have? You mean our leading scorer who was a headcase crybaby? Or the 6th man who was constantly injured (Dewhurst)? Or was it our best big man defender who couldn’t make the grade? The PG who was never cleared b/c the NCAA is retarded? The undersized dynamos we had running the show? It’d be one thing to call our coach’s outcomes inconsistent if he had a consistent deck to play with, but he didn’t. For somebody who complained not having Brock before had hurt his team’s chances to be successful I’d think that wouldn’t be so lost on you.
I have no issue with you coming onto to discuss things as bball, recruits, and what have you, but to tout your mediocre school’s mediocre success in the face of a former “rival” (I’ll use that term loosely) who just came off their shittiest year since who knows when, isn’t going to win you many fans over here, or anyone who will want to have serious discussion with you. Not just because it’s a dick move, but we’ve thoroughly owned your school over history. Cry for changing of the guard, but it hasn’t happened yet, seeing how your best team went .500 vs. our worst. Not something to cheer about.
There you go again trying to define a 35 game season by one game. I could show great teams that have been blown out or beat by far worse teams than Clemson. Happens ever year just like upsets in the tourny. Look at UAB’s body of work, they had a very good year. You sound like some ACC hag that can’t imagine ODU or VCU or whoever could actually dare be better than an ACC team. The RPI is far more fair and right than wrong.
Great, you had a good SOS #, that means you had a decent schedule, you went .500 against it, since those 3 non-D1 teams do not get included whether win or lose in the SOS or RPI, so don't tout the #'s so much.
We played one of the toughest schedules in the nation this year, D2’s or not. The competiton wasn’t apples to apples like you were trying to compare UNCC and ECU. Give us your 125th rated schedule instead of our 41st and we win 20 games, and if you don’t want to do that then you cant throw out the 3 non D1’s when they were wins. Either way we had a solid season and were among the top 100 teams in the nation and Lebo gets and A+ for the improvement from last year.
What talent did we have? You mean our leading scorer who was a headcase crybaby? Or the 6th man who was constantly injured (Dewhurst)? Or was it our best big man defender who couldn't make the grade? The PG who was never cleared b/c the NCAA is retarded? The undersized dynamos we had running the show? It'd be one thing to call our coach's outcomes inconsistent if he had a consistent deck to play with, but he didn't. For somebody who complained not having Brock before had hurt his team's chances to be successful I'd think that wouldn't be so lost on you.
I’m very aware of this. I can think of plenty of legit reason why we have stunk the last 10 years. Guess what? Bottomline is you really wouldn’t care if I told you. You’d just say, “ECU sucked” . I guess it’s your coaches job to manage these issues and make it work, and that’s the standard you held us to in the past. Interesting to me you had enough talent to beat some really good teams and lose to some really aweful ones as well. I think that’s as much on your rookie coach as anything. Also Lebo had plenty to deal with as well taking over a team that didn’t know how to win and that quit on the last coach and was full of attitude problems and coming off APR probation etc. He also had to deal with our best player never being 100% all year and Brock finished blowing his knee out in the UAB game. I didn’t use it as an excuse, just said what the deal was before we played. If he was healthy all year I would have expected a better season but I’ve not used that as an excuse and I’m still pleased with the improvements by Lebo.
Cry for changing of the guard, but it hasn't happened yet, seeing how your best team went .500 vs. our worst. Not something to cheer about.Both new. One coach was given a 10 win team and took them to 18, the other took a 19 win team to 10. If you don't like that measure, one RPI went 140 points one way, the other the opposite way. That's what happened. Call it whatever you want but the reality is Bill Herrion and Ricky Stokes aren't our coach any more than Watkins or Lutz are yours. That old guard certainly has changed already.
Dude, no one here takes you or ECU seriously. Im sorry.