Transfers

[TRLeader]

I know every program has them and I know at first, most of our recent transfers were the old regime players transferring away from the new regime coaches. But that’s not the case any longer.

Can someone list the transfers under Major’s regime…and which ones were the prior regime players and which ones were Major’s own recruits??

I’ve got a feeling that Major has had more of HIS own players transfer in his 4yrs here than any other coach in our history if you base it on avg transfers per year.

THIS is a real problem. NO program can grow with that type of roster volatility. I was always a voice for giving Major the benefit of the doubt in most cases as he learned and adapted to being a head coach but no more. He cannot continue to have HIS players bailing year after year…something is very wrong with that.

Literally…we have players leaving EVERY year. Not just bench warmers. Contributors…real contributors that HE recruited.

Somebody has to be able to see that this is not normal.

At this point, all of these out-bound transfers can no longer be considered as rare, isolated and individual unfortunate circumstances that just happen to occur from time to time…it is a real, re-occurring and consistent trend now for 4 years and it cannot be tolerated any longer. The program cannot establish itself…much less grow at all with so many integral random parts leaving every year.

After 4 years…It is 100% on Major.

[ninerfan55]

he had two players leave this season because they weren’t going to get playing time. can’t help that.

[cibik02]

If he really transferred because he is having a kid and felt he needed to get paid to support his family and man up to what he created, how could this be on Major? Should Major be responsible for rolling on the rubber and administering the plan B morning after pill to the girl? Damn major.

[TRLeader]

@cibik02

If he really transferred because he is having a kid and felt he needed to get paid to support his family and man up to what he created, how could this be on Major? Should Major be responsible for rolling on the rubber and administering the plan B morning after pill to the girl? Damn major.

First of all…the taking care of the kid argument is speculative. Even if it were the case here and Lester was the only player to leave the program, I’m with you.

But this is at least, what, 6-7 transfers in 4 years. Really?!

6+ in 4 years is a trend and a problem.

[cibik02]

@TRLeader

[quote=“cibik02, post:3, topic:29083”]If he really transferred because he is having a kid and felt he needed to get paid to support his family and man up to what he created, how could this be on Major? Should Major be responsible for rolling on the rubber and administering the plan B morning after pill to the girl? Damn major.

First of all…the taking care of the kid argument is speculative. Even if it were the case here and Lester was the only player to leave the program, I’m with you.

But this is at least, what, 6-7 transfers in 4 years. Really?!

6+ in 4 years is a trend and a problem.[/quote]
You are basically saying “if” 6-7 players transferred due to having a kid it would be majors faults…

I’m not sure how that’s majors fault. IF its basketball or academic then yes, major gets blame.

[TRLeader]

I think I have this right…there could be some mistakes:

Lutz players transferring under Major:
Briscoe, Sherril, Sirin

Lutz players dismissed from team under Major:
Spears, Jones

Major’s players dismissed from team under Major:
Mayfield

Major’s players transferred under Major:
Luka, E. Vic, Ingram, D. Clark, M. Bryan and S. Lester

12 total players in 4 years left the team.
7 of them recruited by Major.
All but 1 of those 7 were CONTRIBUTING players…4 of them starters at some point while they were here.

An average of 3 per year…That’s not a problem??

[TRLeader]

@cibik02

[quote=“TRLeader, post:4, topic:29083”][quote=“cibik02, post:3, topic:29083”]If he really transferred because he is having a kid and felt he needed to get paid to support his family and man up to what he created, how could this be on Major? Should Major be responsible for rolling on the rubber and administering the plan B morning after pill to the girl? Damn major.

First of all…the taking care of the kid argument is speculative. Even if it were the case here and Lester was the only player to leave the program, I’m with you.

But this is at least, what, 6-7 transfers in 4 years. Really?!

6+ in 4 years is a trend and a problem.[/quote]
You are basically saying “if” 6-7 players transferred due to having a kid it would be majors faults…

I’m not sure how that’s majors fault. IF its basketball or academic then yes, major gets blame.[/quote]

Then you agree with me…because I don’t think the other 6 of his recruits that left, left because they had kids. So they are leaving for other reasons…and that’s Major’s fault.

Yes.

[CharSFNiners]

Lester isn’t a transfer.

[cibik02]

@TRLeader

[quote=“cibik02, post:5, topic:29083”][quote=“TRLeader, post:4, topic:29083”][quote=“cibik02, post:3, topic:29083”]If he really transferred because he is having a kid and felt he needed to get paid to support his family and man up to what he created, how could this be on Major? Should Major be responsible for rolling on the rubber and administering the plan B morning after pill to the girl? Damn major.

First of all…the taking care of the kid argument is speculative. Even if it were the case here and Lester was the only player to leave the program, I’m with you.

But this is at least, what, 6-7 transfers in 4 years. Really?!

6+ in 4 years is a trend and a problem.[/quote]
You are basically saying “if” 6-7 players transferred due to having a kid it would be majors faults…

I’m not sure how that’s majors fault. IF its basketball or academic then yes, major gets blame.[/quote]

Then you agree with me…because I don’t think the other 6 of his recruits that left, left because they had kids. So they are leaving for other reasons…and that’s Major’s fault.

Yes.[/quote]

Then you are wanting to discuss old news. Thought we were discussing Lester.

[earlyniner]

why don’t we wait a damned minute. there’s not a person on this board that knows what is REALLY behind lester’s decision. our Main Man in the Info Dept says it’s not athletic or academic, so if we trust him, we are left with that nasty category: personal.
and further, we don’t really know what all might be going on in his personal life!
but we go off on a kid–who apparently is facing some significant life decisions–because he is not fulfilling some of our personal Imaginary Life Needs (ILNs)!
and more…we go off on his basketball coach for 1. not micro-managing him to the point that he would/could not have made certain decisions and 2. not convincing him that another year as a Niner is more important than whatever else he has in the balance.
a lot of us complain when athletes at all levels assume that they are so important to so many people that everyone dies waiting to know what they have to say, or decide, or whatever next. then we erupt when they decide or say. my fellow Niners, "We have met the enemy and they are us!"
these are kids! making mistakes. doing stupid things. finding their way. defying their coach or any other authority figure.
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[size=78%]judge major on the basis of his recruiting (including character), teaching skills, game planning and management, character development, and…yes…program direction. all fair enough. but we cannot expect him to be able to insure that every player is perfectly happy all the time, keeps his mouth shut no matter, lives a [/size][size=78%]celibate[/size][size=78%] life throughout his college experience (or at the very least, wears ‘protection’)… blah blah. see how [/size][size=78%]ridiculous[/size][size=78%] this would be.[/size][size=78%]major might not be our future HC, but let’s make sure that any change is made for the right reasons. and not because the AD got off on some hysterical, [/size][size=78%]hormonal tear in response to a kid’s decision based on his life’s issues. no mater what they are.

we all deserve our opinions here. it’s a shout board! but we owe each other a certain level of emotional IQ.

END OF RANT.

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[ninerfan55]

[quote=“earlyniner, post:10, topic:29083”]why don’t we wait a damned minute. there’s not a person on this board that knows what is REALLY behind lester’s decision. our Main Man in the Info Dept says it’s not athletic or academic, so if we trust him, we are left with that nasty category: personal.
and further, we don’t really know what all might be going on in his personal life!
but we go off on a kid–who apparently is facing some significant life decisions–because he is not fulfilling some of our personal Imaginary Life Needs (ILNs)!
and more…we go off on his basketball coach for 1. not micro-managing him to the point that he would/could not have made certain decisions and 2. not convincing him that another year as a Niner is more important than whatever else he has in the balance.
a lot of us complain when athletes at all levels assume that they are so important to so many people that everyone dies waiting to know what they have to say, or decide, or whatever next. then we erupt when they decide or say. my fellow Niners, "We have met the enemy and they are us!"
these are kids! making mistakes. doing stupid things. finding their way. defying their coach or any other authority figure.
[font=verdana]
[size=78%]judge major on the basis of his recruiting (including character), teaching skills, game planning and management, character development, and…yes…program direction. all fair enough. but we cannot expect him to be able to insure that every player is perfectly happy all the time, keeps his mouth shut no matter, lives a [/size][size=78%]celibate[/size][size=78%] life throughout his college experience (or at the very least, wears ‘protection’)… blah blah. see how [/size][size=78%]ridiculous[/size][size=78%] this would be.[/size][size=78%]major might not be our future HC, but let’s make sure that any change is made for the right reasons. and not because the AD got off on some hysterical, [/size][size=78%]hormonal tear in response to a kid’s decision based on his life’s issues. no mater what they are.

we all deserve our opinions here. it’s a shout board! but we owe each other a certain level of emotional IQ.

END OF RANT.

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well said.

[919R]

@ninerfan55

he had two players leave this season because they weren’t going to get playing time. can’t help that.

Bull…3 players left this off-season. One a MAJOR contributor (Lester) and the other two solid contributors (Ingram----part time starter) and Bryan who played a lot last year and would have likely seen a good bit of action this season as well.

[49r9r]

@919R

[quote=“ninerfan55, post:2, topic:29083”]he had two players leave this season because they weren’t going to get playing time. can’t help that.

Bull…3 players left this off-season. One a MAJOR contributor (Lester) and the other two solid contributors (Ingram----part time starter) and Bryan who played a lot last year and would have likely seen a good bit of action this season as well.[/quote]

At the end of the season, I do not want to hear the loss of these 3 players used as the excuse for us not having a stellar season.

[CharSFNiners]

Ingram would have still seen minutes, he just wasn’t going to get PG minutes and that was the issue.

[Honest_Niner]

Lester leaving is not a transfer. Not really relevant to this thread. With that said I do think he is the only loss out of the three that negatively affect the outlook of the team. Def less excited for the season now.

[Nugget]

I have no clue about Lester’s situation, and I am not saying that transfers are not an issue, but I will say that I might be more worried if we had no transfers than I am when someone like Bryan or Ingram leaves. Sure I wish they would stay because they make our bench stronger, but we are in the rebuilding phase where were try to over-recruit every player we have. If Ingram believes he is going to be third man off the bench I can’t blame him for looking around. When (if) we begin to win enough to go back to the NCAAs most years players will be more likely to wait their turn.

[ice_cold49er]

[quote=“TRLeader, post:6, topic:29083”]I think I have this right…there could be some mistakes:

Lutz players transferring under Major:
Briscoe, Sherril, Sirin

Lutz players dismissed from team under Major:
Spears, Jones

Major’s players dismissed from team under Major:
Mayfield

Major’s players transferred under Major:
Luka, E. Vic, Ingram, D. Clark, M. Bryan and S. Lester

12 total players in 4 years left the team.
7 of them recruited by Major.
All but 1 of those 7 were CONTRIBUTING players…4 of them starters at some point while they were here.

An average of 3 per year…That’s not a problem??[/quote]

So, out of the “Major’s players transferred under Major:” let’s look at them more closely:

Luka - left to go back home and play pro ball

E. Vic - wasn’t the top 150 recruit we all thought he would be, and his role diminished, so he chose to leave

Ingram - saw a SUPER CROWDED backcourt (Henry, Lester [at the time], Ogbueze, Dorn, Woods, Williams, Benkovic), and knew minutes would be sparse as a shorter guard playing for a coach who prefers taller more versatile guards

D. Clark - this one did really hurt, but he seem like he had attitude issues, and guys like that sometimes can’t take coaches who are disciplinarians

M. Bryan - this one was a head scratcher, because he got good minutes as a freshman and was going to see more this year

S. Lester - I truly believe and have a feeling that this was because of personal reasons (providing for newborn baby?), and a young man thinking that going pro was his best option

So, out of all of those I think Major might have been the main reason for two of them (Bryan and Clark). I think others were player’s choices, either because they saw the writing on the wall with regards diminishing roles and reduced playing time (Ingram and E. Vic), or they were chasing the money (Luka and Lester). Maybe Major can do a better job convincing some of the “player’s choice” guys to stay, but sometimes when these guys have made up their mind then there’s nothing you can do to change it. Plus if you have to talk a guy into staying, his mind is already half way gone, so do you really want them then anyway.

[woodniner]

How many scholarships will we have now for this year since Lester is leaving.

[Niner_National]

[quote=“woodniner, post:18, topic:29083”]How many scholarships will we have now for this year since Lester is leaving.[/quote]2 open right now.

[woodniner]

Does that include the one for the commitment that should sign in Nov or do we have two more?