Here’s a piece about the University of South Carolina denying admission to both football and basketball signees.
TheState.com: Spurrier renews old fight
BTW, some of us oldtimers will recognize a name in this piece – John Gerdy – who played hoops at Davidson in the late 70s. By the time he graduated in 1979, Gerdy had scored a school record 2,483 points while shooting .511 from the field.
Spurrier and Odom must be trying to get rocks, bricks and doorknobs into school, because anyone not in the lower 10% of a high school class can become a Gamecock, they make Clemson look exclusive.
[QUOTE=49RFootballNow;252656]Spurrier and Odom must be trying to get rocks, bricks and doorknobs into school, because anyone not in the lower 10% of a high school class can become a Gamecock, they make Clemson look exclusive.[/QUOTE]
USC isn’t a bad school, in fact I believe they have one of the best Business programs in the US. The problem is these kids are getting cleared by the NCAA, but not admitted to a State school.
I wonder since the recruits are out of state students, if they have a tougher admissions process than if they were from South Carolina?
Spurrier needs to shut his dang mouth because the fact they are cleared by the NCAA doesn’t mean jack. You’re one of the highest profile individuals at your school, you should know the school’s admission standards and compare the student-athlete against those - not the NCAA’s. They are not one in the same. The NCAA qualification standards are ridiculously low and are in fact a bit of a joke.
[QUOTE=run49er;252523]BTW, some of us oldtimers will recognize a name in this piece – John Gerdy – who played hoops at Davidson in the late 70s. By the time he graduated in 1979, Gerdy had scored a school record 2,483 points while shooting .511 from the field.[/QUOTE]
run, John Gerdy is the reason Chisox goes off on Eddie Biedenbach so strongly. He had heard stories from his dad about how Gerdy’s scoring was held back by the coach in those days.
[QUOTE=HP49er;252673]run, John Gerdy is the reason Chisox goes off on Eddie Biedenbach so strongly. He had heard stories from his dad about how Gerdy’s scoring was held back by the coach in those days.[/QUOTE]
Say what?! :rolleyes:
Unfortunately for Gerdy, those were some pretty bad Davidson teams he played on. He could really shot the ball, that’s for sure. And a lot of hair too!
I’ve discussed this with 3 USC grads who are also avid fans. All 3 support the school’s admission policy and wish Spurrier would shut up.
BTW, in case anyone does not know, our policies are also stricter than the standard NCAA admission rules.
Spurrier is 100% correct.
Bobby Lutz would be doing the same complaining if it happend here (the difference being that no one would be plastering his words all over ESPN). All Spurrier is asking it to have an answer sooner rather than later if a kid is going to be admitted. Two kids whith SEC talent are now going to ECU and Bethune Cookman because USC waited till August to make a decision. That is doing those kids very wrong.
Waiting till August when a kid is already through clearing house is stupid, it makes the program look bad and will ultimately hurt recruiting. At this point USC looks bad for stringing 2 kids along and the team is hurt because 2 scholarship players will not be on the team. It’s a lose lose situation I’m sure a borderline kid will look elsewhere if he knows he will be SOL come August when the school finally makes up its mind.
Had he said the school needs to lower standars I’d understand everyone ripping him. But he wasn’t, he just wants to tell a kid much earlier if he will be admitted to the school.
I think the whole story is not being told here. For starters, some kids may not have made qualifing scores yet and were still taking standardized tests. That would cause a delay on admission. And I also believe that Spurrier simply lost 2 players that he wanted more than perhaps the ones that did sign. Their class initially consited of [B]32[/B] players, which is [B]5[/B] more than what they had scholarships for. Someone knew they were going to have problems getting everyone admitted.
[QUOTE=HP49er;252741]I think the whole story is not being told here. For starters, some kids may not have made qualifing scores yet and were still taking standardized tests. That would cause a delay on admission. And I also believe that Spurrier simply lost 2 players that he wanted more than perhaps the ones that did sign. Their class initially consited of [B]32[/B] players, which is [B]5[/B] more than what they had scholarships for. Someone knew they were going to have problems getting everyone admitted.[/QUOTE]
I’m sure it isn’t, but telling 2 kids who have made it through clearing house only to be dropped in August will be used against him in recruiting big time, he knows that.
It’s cut throat on the recruiting trail, you don’t need your school hurting your efforts. This could have been avoided.
[QUOTE=s9er;252739]Two kids whith SEC talent are now going to ECU and Bethune Cookman because USC waited till August to make a decision. That is doing those kids very wrong.[/QUOTE]
Plus hoopster Aaron Ellis who will don the yellow and black of Wichita State instead of the garnett and black of USC.
[QUOTE=s9er;252744]I’m sure it isn’t, but telling 2 kids who have made it through clearing house only to be dropped in August will be used against him in recruiting big time, he knows that.[/QUOTE]
Just because they are clearinghouse accepted doesn’t guarantee admission at every school nor should it. High schools in the states of the SEC are not the highest ranked nationally you know.
Should a decision have been made before August… definitely yes.
I have no problem with each school establishing admissions standards. Sounds like Harvard – I mean South Carolina! 
– just needs to refine its process so that any potential student (athlete or not) isn’t left scrambling in early August to find another school to get into if denied admission.
[QUOTE=HP49er;252746]Just because they are clearinghouse accepted doesn’t guarantee admission at every school nor should it. High schools in the states of the SEC are not the highest ranked nationally you know.
Should a decision have been made before August… definitely yes.[/QUOTE]
I’m fully aware of that, They had met NCAA standards, that should have sped up the admissions process. That is my only point, and Spurriers point as well.
Somwhere the issue was blurred to indicate that a request was made to lower standards, it never was. The request was for a more efficient admissions process.
I’m not sure what your point is about the rankings of HS’s is?
I'm fully aware of that, They had met NCAA standards, that should have sped up the admissions process. That is my only point, and Spurriers point as well.
If it would take any other (non-athlete) student the same amount of time for a decision to be made, then I think it’s perfectly fair and Spurrier should shut the hell up. He’s always got something to whine about… This is just the latest installment in his long history of crying and making the news with it.
Now, if he wants to improve the admissions process/timing for ALL students, then have at it.
FWIW, if this kid wanted to be admitted easily, quickly, etc, he should have committed to Auburn. They’ll take anyone. Saw a list last year of toughest schools for athletes to get into in the SEC. The hardest two were Vanderbilt (duh) and the University of Georgia. The easiest were Auburn and Tennessee.
[QUOTE=NinerATL2CHA;252759]If it would take any other (non-athlete) student the same amount of time for a decision to be made, then I think it’s perfectly fair and Spurrier should shut the hell up. He’s always got something to whine about… This is just the latest installment in his long history of crying and making the news with it.
Now, if he wants to improve the admissions process/timing for ALL students, then have at it.
FWIW, if this kid wanted to be admitted easily, quickly, etc, he should have committed to Auburn. They’ll take anyone. Saw a list last year of toughest schools for athletes to get into in the SEC. The hardest two were Vanderbilt (duh) and the University of Georgia. The easiest were Auburn and Tennessee.[/QUOTE]
If every single student got a full sholarship and turned down scholarships at other schools only to get dumpred at the last minute you’d have a point. Like I said, if this happened to Lutz he would be bitching and we would all be lined up complaing about the admissions process and how it screwed the program. I just find it comical that because it is Spurrier (who I think is pompus as hell) people are piling on ripping on USC. I’m not lobbing stones b/c we, just like every other school in the country aren’t scouring the local MENSA meeting for recruits.
If every single student got a full sholarship and turned down scholarships at other schools only to get dumpred at the last minute you'd have a point.
Well, regular students don’t get academic scholarships without becoming academically qualified for them first. Why should it be different for athletes with athletic scholarships?
Just because regular students (meaning non-athletes) meet the minimum standards of an institution doesn’t mean they will be guaranteed entry. Many of them have to wait a very long time… even as long or longer as these athletes. When you’re borderline, that’s just a fact of life and something you should expect. And, if you slacked in high school, that’s probably the way it should be.
The problem is Spurrier is writing checks his butt can’t cash. That’s his fault if he didn’t know the institution’s (for whom he works) policy. The institution should not have to change it’s admittance policy for a football coach and some borderline students. Student athletes get enough special attention as it is IMO.
[QUOTE=NinerATL2CHA;252781]Well, regular students don’t get academic scholarships without becoming academically qualified for them first. Why should it be different for athletes with athletic scholarships?[/QUOTE]
Congrats. That is the most naive statement ever posted on this board.
Congrats. That is the most naive statement ever posted on this board.
Avoiding my point isn’t going to make it go away either. Not naive, just true and how I feel. Student athletes get too much special treatment as it is… apparently because it’s ok with people like yourself. And, somehow it’s “deserved” or o.k.
[QUOTE=NinerATL2CHA;252787]Avoiding my point isn’t going to make it go away either. Not naive, just true and how I feel. Student athletes get too much special treatment as it is… apparently because it’s ok with people like yourself. And, somehow it’s “deserved” or o.k.[/QUOTE]
When you make a point I’ll respond to it. You compare apples to oranges so responding is fruitless (terrible pun). Comparing the average student to a BCS student athlete is by in large a exercise in futility. Regular students get wait listed, thus have level set expectations. These kids probably turned down full rides at other places that probably could have let in a few more borderline students. I feel bad for the two players. But I also understand Spurrier, every SEC coach is going to tell the head to head recruit about how USC does athletes and it will sound worse than it actually is. If they don’t qualify so be it, but tell tham in May.
I’m sorry you feel as if athletes get too much, but it is what it is. Get over it.
The vast majority of schools with scholarship athletic programs allow athletes in that wouldn’t get in if they didn’t play a sport. Again, get over it if you don’t like it. These same schools also have admissions review specific for the student athletes. Regular Joe student gets in if the grades are there, stud athlete has as many people as possible TRYING to find enough to get him in. Life sucks, get a helmet.