Admittedly, its not ideal from a perception standpoint, but realistically, it does theoretically open door for a G5 NC, however unlikely.
I also think it would generate a lot of money for G5 leagues.
I know this will never happen, but here’s what I’d like to see…
12-team college football playoff. 10 conference champions, with 2 at large bids. Highest 4 ranked teams get a bye, and then play from there. At least the G5 would have a chance to make some noise.
[quote=“309er, post:2, topic:29939”]I know this will never happen, but here’s what I’d like to see…
12-team college football playoff. 10 conference champions, with 2 at large bids. Highest 4 ranked teams get a bye, and then play from there. At least the G5 would have a chance to make some noise.[/quote]
This is what I’ve said forever. If you eliminate one OOC game then you only add one week and maybe one game (if the winner didn’t get a bye) to the season by doing this. Makes way too much sense.
[quote=“309er, post:2, topic:29939”]I know this will never happen, but here’s what I’d like to see…
12-team college football playoff. 10 conference champions, with 2 at large bids. Highest 4 ranked teams get a bye, and then play from there. At least the G5 would have a chance to make some noise.[/quote]
10 years ago they said a playoff would never happen. If they can see it makes $$ it can happen
[quote=“309er, post:2, topic:29939”]I know this will never happen, but here’s what I’d like to see…
12-team college football playoff. 10 conference champions, with 2 at large bids. Highest 4 ranked teams get a bye, and then play from there. At least the G5 would have a chance to make some noise.[/quote]
I don’t want a conference champ to get an automatic bid. That’s the thing I hated the most about the BCS system is that four loss acc schools were getting BCS bids.
[quote=“Tintin, post:5, topic:29939”][quote=“309er, post:2, topic:29939”]I know this will never happen, but here’s what I’d like to see…
12-team college football playoff. 10 conference champions, with 2 at large bids. Highest 4 ranked teams get a bye, and then play from there. At least the G5 would have a chance to make some noise.[/quote]
I don’t want a conference champ to get an automatic bid. That’s the thing I hated the most about the BCS system is that four loss acc schools were getting BCS bids.[/quote]
That is the only way any G5 squad will ever have a legitimate shot at a title.
Expansion without auto bids benefits nobody but the SEC.
Expanded playoffs without a G5 auto bid is a non starter.
The G5 may as well break off and play amongst themselves and FCS and leave the P5 to their own devices if that happens.
If they want to play us out of conference to pad their home schedules and wallets then they need to let us in the party.
Otherwise I would rather just have our own separate competition.
Maybe we merge with larger FCS programs to make a new FCS and be done with it.
The competitive imbalance that we have today is bad enough.
If G5 is locked out of expanded playoff, what’s the point???
Eliminate an OOC week of games? Not going to happen.
FBS & FCS both have 32 team playoffs. That’s equal to 64 in Basketball, which is currently 68 with the 4 extra’s.
clt says P5 and G5 will implode soon.
[quote=“Gassman, post:7, topic:29939”]Expanded playoffs without a G5 auto bid is a non starter.
The G5 may as well break off and play amongst themselves and FCS and leave the P5 to their own devices if that happens.
If they want to play us out of conference to pad their home schedules and wallets then they need to let us in the party.
Otherwise I would rather just have our own separate competition.
Maybe we merge with larger FCS programs to make a new FCS and be done with it.
The competitive imbalance that we have today is bad enough.
If G5 is locked out of expanded playoff, what’s the point???[/quote]
I agree the G5 needs to be represented, but that doesn’t mean the Belt, Wac, Macand and this year the CUSA champ should go every season.
[quote=“Tintin, post:11, topic:29939”][quote=“Gassman, post:7, topic:29939”]Expanded playoffs without a G5 auto bid is a non starter.
The G5 may as well break off and play amongst themselves and FCS and leave the P5 to their own devices if that happens.
If they want to play us out of conference to pad their home schedules and wallets then they need to let us in the party.
Otherwise I would rather just have our own separate competition.
Maybe we merge with larger FCS programs to make a new FCS and be done with it.
The competitive imbalance that we have today is bad enough.
If G5 is locked out of expanded playoff, what’s the point???[/quote]
I agree the G5 needs to be represented, but that doesn’t mean the Belt, Wac, Macand and this year the CUSA champ should go every season.[/quote]
I can’t disagree with this, either. I want to, because it would be in our best interest… but I still can’t.
I’d be okay with a seven-seed playoff: All P5 champs plus the best two G5 champs. Teams are seeded by committee 1-7.
Top two get a bye, 6+7 have a play-in game after conference championship weekend.
The biggest thing to me is the requirement of a conference championship to play for a national title. If not every conference is to be represented, then it is inexcusable for a team to win the national title without winning their conference first.
It’s pretty simple really:
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If the playoff goes to 8 then the top G5 school should get an autobid.
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If the playoff goes to 12 then the top 2 G5 schools should get an autobid.
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If the playoff goes to 16 then the top 3 G5 schools should get an autobid.
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ect…ect…ect…
I’m a firm believer that if computer ranking formulas were public knowledge they would be a far superior method to a human committee in selecting at-large participants and for seeding purposes.
The plan in my post gives 4 autobids to G5 teams in a 12 team playoff. It is better for the league than what, for instance, 49erfootballnow is proposing.
The idea is growing on me, because it more closely resembles the NCAA tournament and could gain traction from both sides. It also puts much more money in G5 coffers via extra games - which is key. It turns more bowls into elimination games instead of exhibitions.
I also like the idea that it rewards conference champions. I dont care which FBS league you play in, winning one is HARD. Especially now that some of them have grown to 14 teams, and more will continue to grow.
[quote=“NinerAdvocate, post:14, topic:29939”]The plan in my post gives 4 autobids to G5 teams in a 12 team playoff. It is better for the league than what, for instance, 49erfootballnow is proposing.
The idea is growing on me, because it more closely resembles the NCAA tournament and could gain traction from both sides. It also puts much more money in G5 coffers via extra games - which is key. It turns more bowls into elimination games instead of exhibitions.
I also like the idea that it rewards conference champions. I dont care which FBS league you play in, winning one is HARD. Especially now that some of them have grown to 14 teams, and more will continue to grow.[/quote]
I just don’t think the P5 is going to give the G5 more access than what I proposed. They really wouldn’t want to go that far if possible.
I typo’d and meant to say 5 bids.
They will if it nets them more money.
The important part of that plan is that the games are seeded and there is a play in round. As far as the P5 is concerned, most years that will be the G5 kicking half of their entrants out in the opening round, much like the basketball tournament. So, to them, functionally, it’ll only be 2-3 bids.
For G5 leagues, it eliminates the debate over which G5 leagues should get the auto invites if there were only 2. And for the fans, it gives us elimination games, and bragging rights as our best are forced to go head to head.
I just cant see any downside to that plan.
[quote=“ZombieLew, post:12, topic:29939”][quote=“Tintin, post:11, topic:29939”][quote=“Gassman, post:7, topic:29939”]Expanded playoffs without a G5 auto bid is a non starter.
The G5 may as well break off and play amongst themselves and FCS and leave the P5 to their own devices if that happens.
If they want to play us out of conference to pad their home schedules and wallets then they need to let us in the party.
Otherwise I would rather just have our own separate competition.
Maybe we merge with larger FCS programs to make a new FCS and be done with it.
The competitive imbalance that we have today is bad enough.
If G5 is locked out of expanded playoff, what’s the point???[/quote]
I agree the G5 needs to be represented, but that doesn’t mean the Belt, Wac, Macand and this year the CUSA champ should go every season.[/quote]
I can’t disagree with this, either. I want to, because it would be in our best interest… but I still can’t.
I’d be okay with a seven-seed playoff: All P5 champs plus the best two G5 champs. Teams are seeded by committee 1-7.
Top two get a bye, 6+7 have a play-in game after conference championship weekend.
The biggest thing to me is the requirement of a conference championship to play for a national title. If not every conference is to be represented, then it is inexcusable for a team to win the national title without winning their conference first.[/quote]
I meant 1 G5 team gets a berth. I seriously doubt you will ever see the G5 get more than one autobid. Look at it now. The G5 gets one spot out of six on New Years. If they expand to 8 playoff slots do you really think they will allow more than one G5? More likely they try to just go with the current ranking system (which will always exclude the G5) and we have to fight and complain and raise holy hell to get that 1 slot.
Multiple slots? No way.
Any playoff where each conf gets a spot dramatically changes everything. The p5 would never let that happen because then the other conferences would look more attractive as it may be easier to get into the playoff. But, anything is possible.
Exactly. The P5 have never been happier to see a program lose games as they are to see Boise St. lose two so far this year. They already had to take Utah and TCU to shove the G5 conferences back down into their place.
See that’s how the P5 keep the G5 in their place. If a G5 program gets too good they may start elevating the other G5 programs around them. Then one of the P5 has to take on an unworthy to help get the G5 back in their place.
That’s why you’ll hardly ever see a G5 conference get something like an autobid. It’s better to add one exceptional G5 program to the P5 and neuter the upward movement that way than to let a whole G5 conference get near P5 performance standards.
Gots to protects da MONEYS!!!