100% agree with bringing back Bobby Lutz. Allow him the leeway to coach with the fire and passion the players and fans appreciate. We are looking for a winning basketball coach, not a debutante. He is a man of class and character that represents our program well. There are few coaches out there with the skill and reputation that may be willing to take over this program. Comparing the last eight years, I think we should all appreciate the success he had within the environment. This would be a huge win for our athletic department and school if they could make this happen.
Love Bobby as a person, but they would lose me if they bring him back as coach because I wasnât a fan of his coaching and recruiting at the end of his tenure here. Plus, he could NEVER teach good fundamental defense, and his teams would always have opponentâs guys getting wide open shots, which would drive me crazy.
At this pointâŚI would absolutely take Bobby back. We need the energy and swagger he gave us.
My biggest concernâŚis that Fancher does a decent job so they simply keep him until the stop paying PriceâŚso then itâs 2 more years before we look for a decent coach.
ButâŚwe need energy, enthusiasm, swaggerâŚif not BobbyâŚsomeone very similar.
[quote=âice_cold49er, post:22, topic:31267â]Love Bobby as a person, but they would lose me if they bring him back as coach because I wasnât a fan of his coaching and recruiting at the end of his tenure here. Plus, he could NEVER teach good fundamental defense, and his teams would always have opponentâs guys getting wide open shots, which would drive me crazy.[/quote]agree, thoigh his non fundamental defense is light years ahead of where we are now.
This.
Please no. It sounds like the type of decision we would make and it would be yet another catastrophe. He couldnât win in the a10, heâs got no shot at this joke of a conference. People remembering his early success forget he inherited a strong team in a strong conference. Obviously neither is the case at this time. He was a one trick pony unable to adjust to the skill set of his players. We would shoot 3âs to no end whether anyone was capable of hitting them or not.
Which is all the rage even in the NBA nowâŚwhatâŚ10+ years later.
I get itâŚyou gotta have the shooters to execute the philosophyâŚbut we had our share during his runâŚthatâs what he valued.
Bobby always saidâŚstatisticallyâŚit made more sense to shoot an open 3 than a contested 2.
MathâŚstatisticsâŚsome call it âmoney ballââŚor metrics.
Like it or notâŚBobby was WAYYYY ahead of that curve.
MANY teams in the NBA have proven he was right and have now adopted that strategy for their own.
Just saying.
This thread is stupid. We need new blood.
[quote=âNinerPride, post:26, topic:31267â]Please no. It sounds like the type of decision we would make and it would be yet another catastrophe. He couldnât win in the a10, heâs got no shot at this joke of a conference. People remembering his early success forget he inherited a strong team in a strong conference. Obviously neither is the case at this time. He was a one trick pony unable to adjust to the skill set of his players. We would shoot 3âs to no end whether anyone was capable of hitting them or not.[/quote]. Youâre clueless.
[quote=âice_cold49er, post:22, topic:31267â]Love Bobby as a person, but they would lose me if they bring him back as coach because I wasnât a fan of his coaching and recruiting at the end of his tenure here. Plus, he could NEVER teach good fundamental defense, and his teams would always have opponentâs guys getting wide open shots, which would drive me crazy.[/quote]. Not true. That is a myth.
Bobby would not do this with Phil or judy here. I donât think he has the talent to dig us out of this hole.
clt would welcome lutz back, only if lutz has the mustache.
Lutz should be seriously looked at IF he is interested. I had âheardâ several weeks ago that Lutz had assembled a âshadowâ staff and advisors. Lutz could hit the ground running.
You may want Bobby back, but this was very true. Look back and see how many post there were on this very board during his final years talking about how he needed to hire an assistant that could actually teach defense.
You may want Bobby back, but this was very true. Look back and see how many post there were on this very board during his final years talking about how he needed to hire an assistant that could actually teach defense.[/quote]. Donât have to look back. I have been here all along. I know that talk was overblown, thatâs why I called it a myth. Lutz was actually considered a really good defensive coach for most of his years here. In fact, I remember many tv commentators calling him a âdefensive specialistâ with his constantly changing defenses. Also, I never said I want Bobby back as HC. However, he is so much better than what we have had after or before him I find it laughable that anyone would actually be driven OFF as a fan if he was to return, which btw will never happen.
You may want Bobby back, but this was very true. Look back and see how many post there were on this very board during his final years talking about how he needed to hire an assistant that could actually teach defense.[/quote]
The only way Iâd be OK with Bobby is as an AD. He might have the connections and spark to bring the program back. Please god do not hire him back as a coach.
Such a strong rebuttal. You fit in well on this board. At least pretend to have some class.
You may want Bobby back, but this was very true. Look back and see how many post there were on this very board during his final years talking about how he needed to hire an assistant that could actually teach defense.[/quote]. Donât have to look back. I have been here all along. I know that talk was overblown, thatâs why I called it a myth. Lutz was actually considered a really good defensive coach for most of his years here. In fact, I remember many tv commentators calling him a âdefensive specialistâ with his constantly changing defenses. Also, I never said I want Bobby back as HC. However, he is so much better than what we have had after or before him I find it laughable that anyone would actually be driven OFF as a fan if he was to return, which btw will never happen.[/quote]
His teams poor defensive performances were not âoverblownâ, and the fact that it was noticed and discussed by so many on here should let you know that it wasnât a myth. I do not EVER recall Bobby Lutz being referred to as a defensive specialist, but do recall a couple announcers calling him a specialist at switching defenses (as you did mention). That was one of the arguments that most had was that we played several different defenses, but had mastered none. Many times it would cause our own team to get lost. I canât, and wonât, argue with Bobbyâs success when he had shooters on his team. Plus, he was the most successful coach we had after Lee Rose, and it has been pitiful since him. I just donât think he would energize the fan base as a whole, and I have already seen him reach what I believe was his peak here. I just feel it is time for new blood, but I donât trust Judy to make the right choice though.
You may want Bobby back, but this was very true. Look back and see how many post there were on this very board during his final years talking about how he needed to hire an assistant that could actually teach defense.[/quote]. Donât have to look back. I have been here all along. I know that talk was overblown, thatâs why I called it a myth. Lutz was actually considered a really good defensive coach for most of his years here. In fact, I remember many tv commentators calling him a âdefensive specialistâ with his constantly changing defenses. Also, I never said I want Bobby back as HC. However, he is so much better than what we have had after or before him I find it laughable that anyone would actually be driven OFF as a fan if he was to return, which btw will never happen.[/quote]
His teams poor defensive performances were not âoverblownâ, and the fact that it was noticed and discussed by so many on here should let you know that it wasnât a myth. I do not EVER recall Bobby Lutz being referred to as a defensive specialist, but do recall a couple announcers calling him a specialist at switching defenses (as you did mention). That was one of the arguments that most had was that we played several different defenses, but had mastered none. Many times it would cause our own team to get lost. I canât, and wonât, argue with Bobbyâs success when he had shooters on his team. Plus, he was the most successful coach we had after Lee Rose, and it has been pitiful since him. I just donât think he would energize the fan base as a whole, and I have already seen him reach what I believe was his peak here. I just feel it is time for new blood, but I donât trust Judy to make the right choice though.[/quote]
The thing is that even though a message board thinks they know basketball it does not mean they do. I do not mean offense to you directly because I have no idea your background, but as a whole I cannot imagine there are a ton of former or current coaches or people that sat in on practices/studied 49er game film during his tenure. Coach Lutz was absolutely considered a defensive specialist especially early in his career. His ability to switch defenses depending on the team he was playing was masterful. Later in his tenure when the athleticism suffered as they transitioned to the A10 recruiting it absolutely had holes. I donât know if Coach Lutz would even want to come back or if he is the right fit. I do know that we wouldnât be 3-6 with not a single win over a Top 300 school if he had not been fired. Some people here will romanticize his tenure as being all good (it wasnât) and some will say he got lucky with other peopleâs players (patently false, hell the 04-05 team that was 21-4 at one point was ALL Coach Lutz and staff).
Whoever we get Scheyer, Sanchez, Caputo, Lutz, etc. is going to have a hell of a time getting us back to any sort of recognizable place. The current talent is low. There is nothing in the recruiting classes that is changing that. We are a dozen years from good and 40 years from great. I am sorry that Price was not the correct hire (He was not). I am sorry Major had health issues. I just donât want to be sorry again, because at that point we become (maybe we already are) at best Middle Tennessee State and at worstâŚthis. ThatâŚsucks.
I think EVERYONE thought the decision to remove Bobby (at the time) was correct. We were all angry going 19-11. We crashed that year hard.
That said. Hindsight is 20-20. Now we know the toxic rot these basketball coaches have to deal with from Judy and Phil. Not sure Billy Donovan could win here. Right kids, no jucos, all these blue hair senior citizen mandates the donors told Judy they want in a program. Rat poison.
I think Bobby could come back now (with new AD and chancellor) if he were allowed to pay his assistants, recruit guys he wants, and admin stay the hell away from Lutzâ office.
Thats not happening.