Bring back Bobby Lutz!

Lutz’ defensive switching was gimmicky. It worked well against teams that had sloppy play, responded poorly to change, and had limited offensive patience (e.g. Memphis or Umass). Teams that were patient offensively and moved the ball found easy holes, because guys often didn’t rotate correctly. I think that was the double-edged sword with switching defenses so much, you catch some teams off-guard in the middle of a game, but you also don’t perform as cohesively as if you practice a consistent defense. It’s not some kind of genius move, it just takes the high-risk option of a trade-off that most coaches consider. It’s a lot like Lutz’ offenses too, high-risk high potential reward that allowed us to beat better teams when gunners were hot and to lose to terrible teams when they were not.

High levels of athleticism and some kind of shot-blocking presence down low could sometimes cover for the poor rotation until we hit teams that were athletically similar but also well-coached enough to take advantage. It explains both the ceiling Lutz hit with his best teams and how badly the defense fell apart against patient teams, particularly later in his career.

I also think Lutz lost some of his motivation for coaching defense later in his career. It showed in his contract-year performance, in which we did improve defensively and Lutz openly talked about emphasizing it in practice, followed by utter defensive collapse the very next year once he got his last extension.

I agree with Shagg49er too though, it’s possible to take a reasonable view of Lutz with or without wanting him back here. Lutz wasn’t all bad and he wasn’t all good. He had a lot of success building off of what Mullins and Watkins had done (to which he contributed), and it’s the reason he’s a legend at Charlotte. His conference tournament runs showcased his ability to motivate and catch other teams unprepared. He also had some really poor years near the end with limited future prospects that justified a change. Though the administration really screwed up that contract extension then firing sequence, no idea why Lutz’ extension was so generous in the event of firing given how weak his leverage should have been.

[quote=“TRLeader, post:27, topic:31267”].it made more sense to shoot an open 3 than a contested 2.[/quote] But what about a contested 3 versus a contested 2?

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clt was in vegas. made some money on the 49ers that night

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clt says haltron was so loud. diego talking sheet to the best player in college bball.

You may want Bobby back, but this was very true. Look back and see how many post there were on this very board during his final years talking about how he needed to hire an assistant that could actually teach defense.[/quote]. Don’t have to look back. I have been here all along. I know that talk was overblown, that’s why I called it a myth. Lutz was actually considered a really good defensive coach for most of his years here. In fact, I remember many tv commentators calling him a “defensive specialist” with his constantly changing defenses. Also, I never said I want Bobby back as HC. However, he is so much better than what we have had after or before him I find it laughable that anyone would actually be driven OFF as a fan if he was to return, which btw will never happen.[/quote]

His teams poor defensive performances were not “overblown”, and the fact that it was noticed and discussed by so many on here should let you know that it wasn’t a myth. I do not EVER recall Bobby Lutz being referred to as a defensive specialist, but do recall a couple announcers calling him a specialist at switching defenses (as you did mention). That was one of the arguments that most had was that we played several different defenses, but had mastered none. Many times it would cause our own team to get lost. I can’t, and won’t, argue with Bobby’s success when he had shooters on his team. Plus, he was the most successful coach we had after Lee Rose, and it has been pitiful since him. I just don’t think he would energize the fan base as a whole, and I have already seen him reach what I believe was his peak here. I just feel it is time for new blood, but I don’t trust Judy to make the right choice though.[/quote]

The thing is that even though a message board thinks they know basketball it does not mean they do. I do not mean offense to you directly because I have no idea your background, but as a whole I cannot imagine there are a ton of former or current coaches or people that sat in on practices/studied 49er game film during his tenure. Coach Lutz was absolutely considered a defensive specialist especially early in his career. His ability to switch defenses depending on the team he was playing was masterful. Later in his tenure when the athleticism suffered as they transitioned to the A10 recruiting it absolutely had holes. I don’t know if Coach Lutz would even want to come back or if he is the right fit. I do know that we wouldn’t be 3-6 with not a single win over a Top 300 school if he had not been fired. Some people here will romanticize his tenure as being all good (it wasn’t) and some will say he got lucky with other people’s players (patently false, hell the 04-05 team that was 21-4 at one point was ALL Coach Lutz and staff).

Whoever we get Scheyer, Sanchez, Caputo, Lutz, etc. is going to have a hell of a time getting us back to any sort of recognizable place. The current talent is low. There is nothing in the recruiting classes that is changing that. We are a dozen years from good and 40 years from great. I am sorry that Price was not the correct hire (He was not). I am sorry Major had health issues. I just don’t want to be sorry again, because at that point we become (maybe we already are) at best Middle Tennessee State and at worst…this. That…sucks.[/quote]
This was such a good post I wanted to chime in with my 2 cents that yes, early into CUSA 1.0 Lutz and his teams were constantly referred to as a being really good with rapid changes in game (not after timeouts) defensive schemes - I certainly remember that.

As for the next coach digging the Niner Mens BB out of this pit in any kind of reasonable time, it will require someone who can get talented Juco’s and transfers - and knows how to bring a group like that together -que Lutz.

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clt says haltron was so loud. diego talking sheet to the best player in college bball.[/quote]
right kind of kids?

As Punchdrunk stated, Hindsight is 20/20. Times have changed and
I don’t ever see us being a consistent top 50 team. Best we can hope
for is to put together a team every 2 or 3 years that can make some
noise.

Lutz could do this. I would stand up and applaud if he were ever back
on the sideline with his passion coaching Charlotte.

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clt says haltron was so loud. diego talking sheet to the best player in college bball.[/quote]
right kind of kids?[/quote]

Watching that video makes me even more pissed at the shit Judy and Phil have done to us.

And like many people have already stated…our AD is now PUBLICLY a joke. No one with ANY type of pedigree or who is the “next hot name” looking to make a move will consider us at this point.

Bobby may be the only one crazy enough and willing to take the job.

Tell me how passionate and motivated he would be to be the coach to come BACK and raise us from the ashes all in Judy’s face.

He would do it…just to stick it to her by cementing HIS legacy at HIS school.

Think about it…who else would be THAT motivated to turn things around here??

Nobody.

I’m not sure I’d be All In on a return, but damn if I don’t get chills watching the old videos…

IF there was a concrete plan in place, I’d take it… Maybe Lutz is brought in to stabilize and put in a solid foundation, knowing he will move to Associate AD when the time is right so that we can continue upward progress.

Given our last few hires, football included, a little fire on the sidelines would be welcomed.

Lutz hits the ground running and knows all the ins and outs of Charlotte sports. Judy isn’t going to hire anyone better. Give Lutz the Jeff Mullin role to stabilize and hand the keys to another coach in 4 or 5 years.

If Bobby comes back here we know Judy and Phil are desperate. I still don’t see that happening. Sooooo much bad blood.

I am aware there were a number of fans that were highly frustrated in Lutz last year, especially with the disappointment at the end of that season. In lieu of what we have had the last 8 years, I would take that year over and over again. At least there was hope then and we were on the verge of postseason play.

Bobby can coach, recruit, and rebuild the program. He knows the environment better than anyone else we could go after allowing him to negotiate the right environment for success. He is an alumni and carries tremendous passion.

Most importantly, unlike the most recent years, I truly enjoyed every single game I attended when he was at the helm. I seldom missed a game. Everyone has to keep in mind that this is currently a challenging environment to be successful. This has been proven by the existing and previous coaches that I personally think are very qualified.

Bringing back Bobby is an absolute no-brainer. Can you imagine the passion and drive he would have the second go around? This has the potential to make everyone look good… both the athletic department and the University.

[quote=“49ER9ER, post:54, topic:31267”]I am aware there were a number of fans that were highly frustrated in Lutz last year, especially with the disappointment at the end of that season. In lieu of what we have had the last 8 years, I would take that year over and over again. At least there was hope then and we were on the verge of postseason play.

Bobby can coach, recruit, and rebuild the program. He knows the environment better than anyone else we could go after allowing him to negotiate the right environment for success. He is an alumni and carries tremendous passion.

Most importantly, unlike the most recent years, I truly enjoyed every single game I attended when he was at the helm. I seldom missed a game. Everyone has to keep in mind that this is currently a challenging environment to be successful. This has been proven by the existing and previous coaches that I personally think are very qualified.

Bringing back Bobby is an absolute no-brainer. Can you imagine the passion and drive he would have the second go around? This has the potential to make everyone look good… both the athletic department and the University.[/quote]

By the same token, can you imagine how ugly it’d get if things didn’t turn around in the way that met our expectations? It’s like an ex-boyfriend/girlfriend. You break up and date a few other awful options, then the ex doesn’t seem so bad anymore. But low and behold, you get back together and it’s no time before you go, “oh, right…THAT is why we broke up.”

This is the worst thread on NNN

Bobby’s downfall had more to do with the decisions made over his head and lack of support, so he started to fail in his job.
My speculation anyways.
Even in times I was displeased with his performance…had I known we’d get to this point…I would have paid him myself !!!



Bobby’s downfall was recruiting and assistant coaches. Both of those can be pinned on admin. We wouldn’t pay assistants enough so they left and then Judy allowed him to go to the very end of his contract in a conference where he was already struggling to adjust to recruiting wise.

Bobby’s style of play was ahead of it’s time. If we look at the reliance of the 3 in the college game today - that is where we were 15 years ago. We would absolutely run a team out of the gym.

On defense he was recognized nationally for his advanced defensive tactics, both under Melvin and as HC. IMO the issue was he stopped getting the players he needed to effectively run it and to his fault he didn’t shift or change his thinking. The result was a really poor defense, but no worse than what we have seen recently. It can also be traced to my first point.

Would I take Bobby back? Yes. I believe him when he says he is a better coach now than he was before. He got time to learn at a few other schools and reflect on his methodology.

Do I think Judy and Phil would swallow their pride and ask him to return? No.

[quote=“dmastinsc, post:55, topic:31267”][quote=“49ER9ER, post:54, topic:31267”]I am aware there were a number of fans that were highly frustrated in Lutz last year, especially with the disappointment at the end of that season. In lieu of what we have had the last 8 years, I would take that year over and over again. At least there was hope then and we were on the verge of postseason play.

Bobby can coach, recruit, and rebuild the program. He knows the environment better than anyone else we could go after allowing him to negotiate the right environment for success. He is an alumni and carries tremendous passion.

Most importantly, unlike the most recent years, I truly enjoyed every single game I attended when he was at the helm. I seldom missed a game. Everyone has to keep in mind that this is currently a challenging environment to be successful. This has been proven by the existing and previous coaches that I personally think are very qualified.

Bringing back Bobby is an absolute no-brainer. Can you imagine the passion and drive he would have the second go around? This has the potential to make everyone look good… both the athletic department and the University.[/quote]

By the same token, can you imagine how ugly it’d get if things didn’t turn around in the way that met our expectations? It’s like an ex-boyfriend/girlfriend. You break up and date a few other awful options, then the ex doesn’t seem so bad anymore. But low and behold, you get back together and it’s no time before you go, “oh, right…THAT is why we broke up.”[/quote]

This sums up my fears with bringing Bobby back. Although, he may have acquired some new tricks over his time away from the program. Plus, it would depend on who he hired as assistants also. I would definitely want him to hire someone who is an ace recruiter. Also, I would hope his teams would have more of an attention to detail (this is what makes coaches great I believe, is their obsession with the details).

I back off of my previous statement that if they hired Bobby back, they would lose me. I guess I should have really said that I would be very very cautious about that hire. I would want to see some change in those areas that would drive me crazy about his teams in those final years. But, I would still support them to be honest.

Y’all.

The fact that this thread even exists in earnest is borderline nuts.

Come on.