clt is ready for espn to care about steroid use in the nfl like it cares about mlb.
everyone’s fav panther peppers is a juicer and no one cares.
Not to defend ARod, because I am not a fan, but if this is true then all of the other 103 people who failed the test should be revealed as well.
I agree we should see their names too…however, more than likely nobody would care because they are most likely no namers or fringe AAA guys.
103 names on this list, numerous others in the Mitchell Report…I got news for everyone…there are a hell of a lot more doing than we will ever know about.
Do you mean soccer in the US? Exaggeration, though I agree the best athletes here do not play it.Soccer worldwide? That’s ridiculous. If you watch world-class soccer athletes, they jump as high as Fitzgerald and run way faster than he does. Think about it this way: Every top athlete in Brazil, a country of about 200 mil people, plays soccer. The fastest runners, the highest jumpers, the guys with the greatest hand-eye (though really it’s foot-eye) coordination…they all play soccer there from a young age. Most of South America is the same. Same in Europe, unless you’re really tall. Same in Africa, with the exception of rare sprinters and b-ball players. It’s becoming true in Asia as well, though at least some Japanese athletes play baseball. As a whole, the sport of soccer has better athletes, based on your criteria, than any other sport.
Not really sure what height has to do with athleticism, that strikes me as more related to quirks of position or basketball.
Dead on. Great post.
I dont understand. Do non soccer fans think that all soccer requires is running?
clt is ready for espn to care about steroid use in the nfl like it cares about mlb.everyone’s fav panther peppers is a juicer and no one cares.
Love how you guys turned on Peppers as soon as hit the market.
-He had one bad year and suddenly he’s “a juicer.” Dude you have no evidence to base that off of. If he is ever proven to use or whatever, fine. But as of now, he is a dominant DE who at times can be spotty (that’s about it.)
Btw College and pro scouts define athleticism by how much unteachable talent do you have. U can't teach speed, height, jumping, or hand eye. That's what makes me throw out soccer. Yes there are some great athletes but most of soccer is learned behavior from 5-9 white guys who couldn't sniff Larry Fitgerald in any contest but soccer. He'd beat them at 25 other sports.
Dude what are you saying? (I’m a “former” athlete myself, but I have to say you are a way off base.)
-Soccer requires a lot of speed to be able to go up and down the field for the entire game (especially if you play forward.)
-It requires tons of coordination. You ever see a player pick up a corner kick whiles it’s traveling and re-direct it, or how about a goalie stop a shot?
-There is plenty of athleticism required to be a good soccer player (and this coming from a former lacrosse player.)
[QUOTE=Jersey Niner32;383610]Love how you guys turned on Peppers as soon as hit the market.
-He had one bad year and suddenly he’s “a juicer.” Dude you have no evidence to base that off of. If he is ever proven to use or whatever, fine. But as of now, he is a dominant DE who at times can be spotty (that’s about it.)[/QUOTE]
clt has never liked peppers and considers him overrated…and a juicer
Panthers’ Peppers Suspended 4 Games
Article from:
AP Online
Article date:
November 15, 2002
Author:
JENNA FRYER, AP Sports Writer
Carolina Panthers rookie defensive end Julius Peppers was suspended for four games by the NFL on Thursday for violating the league’s substance- abuse policy, his agent said.
Agent Marvin Demoff said the league office told him that Peppers had tested positive for a banned substance in a dietary supplement. A source close to Peppers, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Peppers did not test positive for steroids
Demoff said Peppers would appeal the suspension, meaning he can play in Sunday’s game against Tampa Bay.
In a statement released together with one from his agent, Peppers said he couldn’t discuss the suspension until there’s a ruling on his .
Dude what are you saying? (I'm a "former" athlete myself, but I have to say you are a way off base.) -Soccer requires a lot of speed to be able to go up and down the field for the entire game (especially if you play forward.) -It requires tons of coordination. You ever see a player pick up a corner kick whiles it's traveling and re-direct it, or how about a goalie stop a shot? -There is plenty of athleticism required to be a good soccer player (and this coming from a former lacrosse player.)
you missed the point,
when a scout goes to a football, baseball, or hoops game, they grade out a body and will go after the kid based on pure god given traits- ht wt speed. Stuff you can’t teach.
in soccer, I can’t see a coach going to a HS soccer game and saying “he seems like a great athlete and upside we can mold.” In soccer you get to the next level on skills. I mean would an MLS team draft someone who was athletic hoping they pan out? Hell no. You gotta have soccer skills from day 1. I am not saying soccer players are clumsy or non athletic or slow. I am saying there is a different science to finding players.
in soccer, I can't see a coach going to a HS soccer game and saying "he seems like a great athlete and upside we can mold." In soccer you get to the next level on skills. I mean would an MLS team draft someone who was athletic hoping they pan out? Hell no. You gotta have soccer skills from day 1. I am not saying soccer players are clumsy or non athletic or slow. I am saying there is a different science to finding players.
I’ll agree with you a bit on this. You do have to have some developed skill, that’s just a trait of the game, and what makes it tough to pick up, and probably have it much more developed than a prospect for the NBA or NFL. But baseball is no different in that aspect so I don’t see your point. In baseball you can catch and throw a ball all day but if you can’t hit a 95 mph fastball, and then next time up have to deal with some with a good curve, or slider, you’re screwed. Same way with soccer, if your footwork, body control, and accuracy are sub-par, it doesn’t matter how fast you can run, jump, or kick the ball.
I understand baseball is your sport and you’ll defend it to the death, just don’t be so blind to sports you believe to be inferior to yours.
you missed the point, when a scout goes to a football, baseball, or hoops game, they grade out a body and will go after the kid based on pure god given traits- ht wt speed. Stuff you can't teach.in soccer, I can’t see a coach going to a HS soccer game and saying “he seems like a great athlete and upside we can mold.” In soccer you get to the next level on skills. I mean would an MLS team draft someone who was athletic hoping they pan out? Hell no. You gotta have soccer skills from day 1. I am not saying soccer players are clumsy or non athletic or slow. I am saying there is a different science to finding players.
I get what you mean man.
-But to say that there are no “pure athletes” in soccer…I don’t buy it…because in your last post you said you can’t coach speed and coordination and you need them for soccer.
-Then a good coach would fill in the rest.
But I’ll just agree to disagree.
clt has never liked peppers and considers him overrated...and a juicerPanthers’ Peppers Suspended 4 Games
Article from:
AP Online
Article date:
November 15, 2002
Author:
JENNA FRYER, AP Sports WriterCarolina Panthers rookie defensive end Julius Peppers was suspended for four games by the NFL on Thursday for violating the league’s substance- abuse policy, his agent said.
Agent Marvin Demoff said the league office told him that Peppers had tested positive for a banned substance in a dietary supplement. A source close to Peppers, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Peppers did not test positive for steroids
Demoff said Peppers would appeal the suspension, meaning he can play in Sunday’s game against Tampa Bay.
In a statement released together with one from his agent, Peppers said he couldn’t discuss the suspension until there’s a ruling on his .
touche. Was that his only suspension?
But baseball is no different in that aspect so I don't see your point. In baseball you can catch and throw a ball all day but if you can't hit a 95 mph fastball, and then next time up have to deal with some with a good curve, or slider, you're screwed.huh? half of the first RD in baseball is full of guys that [U]can't play dead[/U]. They are pure raw athletes that make scouts drool. They know they can pay them $2m bonus and stick them in the minors for 5 yrs and teach them to play the game over time. Every position player selected in that 1st rd is world class athletically (which was Arod) but he had some skills early but his raw ability got him to the first pick, not how good at ground balls he was.
btw, I don’t hate soccer. I played travel soccer thru middle school. I just know that in the USA, 99% of the best athletes end up in the big 3 sports and whoever made the original comment that baseball requires no athletic ability compared to soceer, doesn’t understand sports or recruiting.
[QUOTE=cltniners;383660]clt has never liked peppers and considers him overrated…and a juicer
Panthers’ Peppers Suspended 4 Games
Article from:
AP Online
Article date:
November 15, 2002
Author:
JENNA FRYER, AP Sports Writer
Carolina Panthers rookie defensive end Julius Peppers was suspended for four games by the NFL on Thursday for violating the league’s substance- abuse policy, his agent said.
Agent Marvin Demoff said the league office told him that Peppers had tested positive for a banned substance in a dietary supplement. A source close to Peppers, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Peppers did not test positive for steroids
Demoff said Peppers would appeal the suspension, meaning he can play in Sunday’s game against Tampa Bay.
In a statement released together with one from his agent, Peppers said he couldn’t discuss the suspension until there’s a ruling on his .[/QUOTE]
He was suspended because of ephedrine. It’s a banned substance but it’s used for a stimulant, appetite suppressant, concentration aid, decongestant, and to treat hypotension associated with anaesthesia. None of those things relate to performance enhancement…it just also happens to be found in some performance enhancing drugs…which proves nor means anything except the NFL is pretty tough on steroids unlike some other sports. Yes, that was his only suspension. I hope you’ve never taken cold medicine…otherwise you’re a hypocrite.
as for A Rod, MLB is the problem. not him. singling out one guy in a list of over 100 is a joke as well as their 100% tolerance policy. i wouldn’t be criticizing him if i were a fan of any team in the league considering i bet players from each and every team are on that list of 103 that tested positive in that same time period.
huh? half of the first RD in baseball is full of guys that [U]can't play dead[/U]. They are pure raw athletes that make scouts drool. They know they can pay them $2m bonus and stick them in the minors for 5 yrs and teach them to play the game over time. Every position player selected in that 1st rd is world class athletically (which was Arod) but he had some skills early but his raw ability got him to the first pick, not how good at ground balls he was.
It’s been so long I don’t even remember totally what we were talking about. Oh yea, I don’t find baseball players as athletic as soccer players. So b/c they have athletic ability and can stick them in the minors for 5 years doesn’t mean they’re more athletic than a soccer player. This isn’t going to end you think one thing I think another, you’ll think I’m lucid and I’ll think the same as you.
[QUOTE]half of the first RD in baseball is full of guys that can’t play dead. They are pure raw athletes that make scouts drool. They know they can pay them $2m bonus and stick them in the minors for 5 yrs and teach them to play the game over time. Every position player selected in that 1st rd is world class athletically (which was Arod) but he had some skills early but his raw ability got him to the first pick, not how good at ground balls he was.
btw, I don’t hate soccer. I played travel soccer thru middle school. I just know that in the USA, 99% of the best athletes end up in the big 3 sports and whoever made the original comment that baseball requires no athletic ability compared to soceer, doesn’t understand sports or recruiting[/QUOTE]
And I played travel baseball until I was in 6th grade, it was only a few years, but athletically those guys were nothing superior against some of the kids I faced when I traveled in the fall for soccer (baseball was late spring/summer). If you are going to compare the big 3 to people playing soccer in the states, then that’s like comparing the NBDL to the NBA. MLS is a minor league compared to something like the Champion’s League in Europe. American kids grow up with dreams set on football, basketball, and baseball, not playing MLS ball. Go across the pond for that. It’s just the way our culture is directed.