[QUOTE=Ninercentral;405762]I don’t see why UNC Charlotte would want a law school with the need already being filled here. Charlotte Law will never go private. Instead, we should focus on the need for a medical school, veterinary school, dental school, and pharmacy school. I mean there is such a greater need for these things than another law school, there are already more law schools in the state than any other professional doctorate schools.[/QUOTE]
AMEN!
Having a medical school would double the value of ALL our degrees!
We have to take this to the Board of Trustees directly. Phil is willing to do only those things that [B][COLOR=MediumTurquoise]Mother[/COLOR][/B] says he can do!
Why is he chancellor? Why don't we get someone who wants to make this school the best it can be?
[QUOTE=49or bust;405784]Why is he chancellor? Why don’t we get someone who wants to make this school the best it can be?[/QUOTE]
[B][COLOR=MediumTurquoise]Mother[/COLOR][/B] made him Chancellor. I’m sure he’s been made promisses that if the program expands we’ll get to take it over but that’s a lie and he should know better. Getting a Chancellor who would ballz-up against the people who hired him would require him being a “stealth” candidate. Dubois just is not willing to rock the boat the way he needs to to get this campus what it deserves. Name one new program we got since he came aboard?
[QUOTE=49or bust;405789]Football, but that had nothing to do with him.
I don’t understand the people running this school. Not sure how someone who values the UNC System over the school he works for is someone we want.[/QUOTE]
I just don’t see how we get a pro-Charlotte Chancellor past a pro-Chapel Hill Board of Governors. We literally have to hope that Dubois grows ballz on his own or take it to the Board of Trustees over his head.
I just don't see how we get a pro-Charlotte Chancellor past a pro-Chapel Hill Board of Governors. We literally have to hope that Dubois grows ballz on his own or take it to the Board of Trustees over his head.
I don't see how we can't. When we are picking someone, make sure that all the candidates care about [COLOR=SeaGreen]US[/COLOR] first, not [COLOR=DeepSkyBlue]THEM[/COLOR]. We should accept nothing less. I don't think the BOG is going to not let us have the chancellor of our choice, especially if we make a stink about their underhanded behavior.
This makes me think we are actually looking for BS chancellors, or there’s more stink upstairs in our own house than I thought.
I’m liking this page 12 btw. 1/10 conversation, 9/10 sigs. Now that’s awesome.
Dubois could get some credit for pushing EPIC which seems like a potentially great addition to the U. but I could be completely wrong since I’m not sure how much he had to do with that.
[QUOTE=49or bust;405794]I don’t see how we can’t. When we are picking someone, make sure that all the candidates care about [COLOR=SeaGreen]US[/COLOR] first, not [COLOR=DeepSkyBlue]THEM[/COLOR]. We should accept nothing less. I don’t think the BOG is going to not let us have the chancellor of our choice, especially if we make a stink about their underhanded behavior.
This makes me think we are actually looking for BS chancellors, or there’s more stink upstairs in our own house than I thought.
I’m liking this page 12 btw. 1/10 conversation, 9/10 sigs. Now that’s awesome.[/QUOTE]
The Board of Trustees pick the Chancellor and the Board of Governors approves them. On the surface Dubois was a great candidate. Familiar with the U from being Provost, served as a University President before, big part in forming the Mountain West Conference. The BoT was justified in picking him. The problem is personality. Dubois is a closed door handshaker who hates the spotlight. He may be the greatest advocate we’ve ever had but he’s not willing to take the UNC System’s dirty laundry out to shake things up and that’s what it will take for us to get a med school. We keep looking for a new Bonnie Cone and we just aren’t find her true replacement. Sometimes you have to rock the boat too. We need someone who can do the front and back door work.
[QUOTE=arn;405795]Dubois could get some credit for pushing EPIC which seems like a potentially great addition to the U. but I could be completely wrong since I’m not sure how much he had to do with that.[/QUOTE]
No idea how much he had to do with it but we had a lot of outside folks pushing for this (Duke Energy, Areva, Shaw Group) as well as a lot of people in the College of Engineering
Picking a fight with “them” is just going to piss “them” off and make them even more determined to screw “us”. Picking a fight with Persinger for the past 70 years hasn’t exactly made him change his mind. Perhaps Dubois realizes he has to pick his battles, or simply knows that he is handcuffed.
My actual opinion is that he only considers this a job. He doesn’t care one way or the other. He has no more loyalty or respect for this University than most people have for their jobs. Just do enough to keep your cushy job.
[B]Picking a fight with "them" is just going to piss "them" off and make them even more determined to screw "us".[/B] Picking a fight with Persinger for the past 70 years hasn't exactly made him change his mind. Perhaps Dubois realizes he has to pick his battles, or simply knows that he is handcuffed.
My actual opinion is that he only considers this a job. He doesn’t care one way or the other. He has no more loyalty or respect for this University than most people have for their jobs. Just do enough to keep your cushy job.
FAIL-----please reference last 44 years of “screwing” during which time we have always played nice.
I think the problem lies in our University’s mission statement. If someone wants to find it and post it please do. I believe until that is changed, we are going to deal with the same sh!t.
Tonight WFAE sponsored a Public Conversation on Building a Biotechnology Economy in Charlotte. Speakers were Dr. Wilhelm at CRI, Marjorie Benbow who’s with the NCBT Charlotte Office (I think she was also formerly in our Office of Technology Transfer), Clyde Higgs, VP at NC Research Campus, and Kenny McDonald, a VP of Economic Development Services with the Charlotte Regional Partnership.
One of the popular topics of the evening was a medical school here in Charlotte, and it’s necessity to building this area as a Biotech hub. All the panelists both supported the idea and believed a medical school is in our future. When you look at UNC-CH and Duke, their extramural research funding is 10-15 fold ours. Why? Their medical schools.
I was surprised at how diverse the audience was. I was maybe one of maybe 10 scientists out over almost 200 people there and several members of the audience were interested in asking about a medical school.
Picking a fight with "them" is just going to piss "them" off and make them even more determined to screw "us". Picking a fight with Persinger for the past 70 years hasn't exactly made him change his mind. Perhaps Dubois realizes he has to pick his battles, or simply knows that he is handcuffed.
My actual opinion is that he only considers this a job. He doesn’t care one way or the other. He has no more loyalty or respect for this University than most people have for their jobs. Just do enough to keep your cushy job.
Some have speculated that there may be some truth to this about the chancellor. It’s not so much that he doesn’t care or that it’s just a job. But he might have aspirations for President of the UNC system. So he can’t burn too many bridges right now. That’s also why some have suggested that it would be great if we could some day have an alum that is the chancellor.
Picking a fight with Persinger for the past 70 years hasn't exactly made him change his mind.
I hope you don't think Persinger came on this board with any intentions to have his mind changed. It made no difference if we were polite or not. Nothing was going to change. It was inevitable that he would leave when everyone on the board finally realized the truth and got pissed off at him.
Unless you think you can get Dubois or Persinger replaced, then making them hate you isn't going to help.
ru kidding?..Persinger is a whole different debate but, as for Dubois----You can make public the disparities of the state funding in a tactful way that still gets the point across and as long as your info. is truthful the powers that be will be “forced” into acting more responsibly and fairly. Our admin. has preferred your method for decades. Where has that gotten us in terms of funding equality? Answer: consistently at or need to bottom of the per student funding in the entire system.
Sometimes you just have to shine the light on a subject to make people see it!
This chart would indicate we are moving in the wrong direction academically. 15 years ago, we were consistently ranked in the best regional universities, best values, etc. Look at all the NC schools on this list that have surpassed us (almost all of them and we aren’t listed)
This study was based on the following data:
Percentage of the 2008-09 freshman class scoring 600 or higher on the verbal and math components of the SAT (or scoring 24 or higher on the ACT)
Admission rates
Freshman retention rates
Student-faculty ratios
Four- and six-year graduation rates, which most schools reported for the student cohort entering in 2002
I would suspect the biggest variables holding us back are:
Growth- Becoming less selective as we rapidly grow meaning our admission rates are pretty high.
Four and six year graduation rates- I’m not sure what the current stats are but my recollection tells me we have always had low percentages here.
I think the real value of an education should be the salaries that education produces. That’s where we could do much better in these studies.
ru kidding?.....Persinger is a whole different debate but, as for Dubois----You can make public the disparities of the state funding in a tactful way that still gets the point across and as long as your info. is truthful the powers that be will be "forced" into acting more responsibly and fairly. Our admin. has preferred your method for decades. Where has that gotten us in terms of funding equality? Answer: consistently at or need to bottom of the per student funding in the entire system.
Sometimes you just have to shine the light on a subject to make people see it!
Absolutely, but make sure we do it in a respectful manner.
Absolutely, but make sure we do it in a respectful manner.
Hey, did you ever respond to that lengthy post of mine in regards to the usefulness of the arts to society? I was curious to hear what you thought (and if I convinced you), but the thread swung back to another topic and I stopped paying attention to it.
This chart would indicate we are moving in the wrong direction academically. 15 years ago, we were consistently ranked in the best regional universities, best values, etc. Look at all the NC schools on this list that have surpassed us (almost all of them and we aren’t listed)
Not only do I have to agree, but I have made similar comments in past discussions. From the mid/late 70s through the mid 80s we were a regular on the TOP 10 List for Quality of Education when compared to Cost. So was chapel hill, but few others in the state were anywhere close.
I think MOST or ALL GROWTH should be in the form of Graduate Programs, at least until our admissions standards improve. A med school will do wonders.