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it is a horrible horrible mistake not to put Don Mattingly as the first baseman for this specific team. he out does parker in gold gloves with 9 plus a bunch of other categories. an argument caaaaaan be made (which is still not a good argument) as of why he is not in the hall of fame, but leaving him out off the gold glove team?..just wrong in so many ways.
Agreed about Mattingly. Could even argue maybe Mark Grace or Will Clark too. But I would also vote Andruw Jones over Griffey.
[QUOTE=Normmm;254624]Agreed about Mattingly. Could even argue maybe Mark Grace or Will Clark too. But I would also vote Andruw Jones over Griffey.[/QUOTE]
Jim Edmunds is the best outfielder I’ve seen in 20 yrs.
Omar Vizquel is better than Ozzie too.
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it is a horrible horrible mistake not to put Don Mattingly as the first baseman for this specific team. he out does parker in gold gloves with 9 plus a bunch of other categories. an argument caaaaaan be made (which is still not a good argument) as of why he is not in the hall of fame, but leaving him out off the gold glove team?..just wrong in so many ways.[/QUOTE]
have you ever seen Wes Parker play D?
apparently he was pretty darn smooth with the leather
I confess I did not either, but you just can’t assume Don M was better because of popularity
this list is all pretty equal and impossible for that matter.
in regards to catchers, alot of guys get screwed not on this list.
Joe Morgan over Ryne Sandberg? Are you kidding me? Ryno had almost twice as many gold gloves, not to mention the record (maybe it still stands?) for consecutive games by an infielder (excluding 1st base) without a throwing error.
Big Mattingly fan here, but Keith Hernandez was as good with the glove at 1st as any guy I’ve ever seen.
Edmunds has a flair for the spectacular, but I honestly think Ichiro is the best out fielder I’ve seen, he covers as much ground as any OF in the league and his arm is as powerful if not more so than anyone and he is dead on accurate, people will not run on him.
Ichiro has 6 gold gloves in 6 full years in MLB. He’s already a strong HOF candidate if he keeps up a few more years. Imagine if he would have come to the US sooner.
Ozzie was the Shhizzzle!!
I can’t believe that Morgan won over Mazerowski.
Maz was the best defensive 2B in history bar none.
Tintin
[QUOTE=Tintin;254689]I can’t believe that Morgan won over Mazerowski.
Maz was the best defensive 2B in history bar none.
Tintin[/QUOTE]
I’m not all that familiar with Maz. How many gold gloves did he win? Are you aware Ryno had a stretch of 123 consecutive games without a throwing error, a record which stood for 17 years? Ryno also has the best career fielding percentage for a 2nd baseman (.989)
EDIT: I see Maz had almost as many gold gloves as Ryno (8 vs. 9).
Ryno also has the record for consecutive gold gloves at 2nd base (9). Maz and Morgan are tied for 2nd with 5 consecutive.
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it is a horrible horrible mistake not to put Don Mattingly as the first baseman for this specific team. he out does parker in gold gloves with 9 plus a bunch of other categories. an argument caaaaaan be made (which is still not a good argument) as of why he is not in the hall of fame, but leaving him out off the gold glove team?..just wrong in so many ways.[/QUOTE]
Mattingly was my favorite player growing up so I would definitely put him on the list.
[QUOTE=Sideshow;254700]I’m not all that familiar with Maz. How many gold gloves did he win? Are you aware Ryno had a stretch of 123 consecutive games without a throwing error, a record which stood for 17 years? Ryno also has the best career fielding percentage for a 2nd baseman (.989)
EDIT: I see Maz had almost as many gold gloves as Ryno (8 vs. 9).
Ryno also has the record for consecutive gold gloves at 2nd base (9). Maz and Morgan are tied for 2nd with 5 consecutive.[/QUOTE]
I like Ryno (and my mom LOVED him) but I saw him make 2 errors during that streak that were counted as base hits with big time home cooking the reason. Heck the Cubs announcers even said as much. Toward the end of the streak there was no way he was getting an error at Wrigley. IMO Ryno had a good stick but limited range at best in the field.
[QUOTE=Sideshow;254700]I’m not all that familiar with Maz. How many gold gloves did he win? Are you aware Ryno had a stretch of 123 consecutive games without a throwing error, a record which stood for 17 years? Ryno also has the best career fielding percentage for a 2nd baseman (.989)
EDIT: I see Maz had almost as many gold gloves as Ryno (8 vs. 9).
Ryno also has the record for consecutive gold gloves at 2nd base (9). Maz and Morgan are tied for 2nd with 5 consecutive.[/QUOTE]
Fielding is the only reason Maz is in the Hall of Fame. He was a career .253 hitter and he had only 138 career homers. Sandberg could weild the wood as well as the leather.
Here’s some food for thought as far as the fielding comparisions go:
[QUOTE]three decades after he retired, he still holds major league records for second basemen for most double plays in a season (161), most double plays in a career (1,706), most years leading a league in DPs (eight) and most seasons leading in assists (nine).[/QUOTE]
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Wrigley Field has always been known for the grass being high and thick. While this may cut down on double plays, it also takes the heat and spin off a hot shot to second base.
And I don’t care what anybody says, Mazeroski hit the greatest home run of all time. Period.
[QUOTE=TheShowDawg;254713]I like Ryno (and my mom LOVED him) but I saw him make 2 errors during that streak that were counted as base hits with big time home cooking the reason. Heck the Cubs announcers even said as much. Toward the end of the streak there was no way he was getting an error at Wrigley. IMO Ryno had a good stick but limited range at best in the field.[/QUOTE]
I don’t remember limited range. He wasn’t your typical big-white-guy. He was fast-- stole tons of bases. I remember him making diving stops, and making leaping grabs at line-drive would-be base hits.
[QUOTE=Sideshow;254700]I’m not all that familiar with Maz. How many gold gloves did he win? Are you aware Ryno had a stretch of 123 consecutive games without a throwing error, a record which stood for 17 years? Ryno also has the best career fielding percentage for a 2nd baseman (.989)
EDIT: I see Maz had almost as many gold gloves as Ryno (8 vs. 9).
Ryno also has the record for consecutive gold gloves at 2nd base (9). Maz and Morgan are tied for 2nd with 5 consecutive.[/QUOTE]
Ryno caught balls that came to him, but had limited range (I’m not saying he was a bad fielder, just not in Maz’s league). Maz was by far the best on the pivot on the DP, and had a knack of moving to where the ball was hit (or to the bag on a ground ball to short with a man on first). He said he could tell the pitch location and figure where the ball was hit. He was usually still by the time the ball got to him, whether it be behind second base or in the hole behind first.
I really am amazed that any other 2b got any mention in this contest.
Tintin
[QUOTE=metro;254628]Omar Vizquel is better than Ozzie too.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you 100% there…Vizquel is amazing defensively
Joe Morgan over Ryne Sandberg? Are you kidding me? Ryno had almost twice as many gold gloves, not to mention the record (maybe it still stands?) for consecutive games by an infielder (excluding 1st base) without a throwing error.
as much as i disrespect him as a human being for that spitting incident…roberto alomar was most definitely the best fielding secondbaseman. so smooth…made everything look easy.
can we at least agree that Ryno was the best overall 2nd baseman of all time?
The only one on that list who is a lock, and you cant argue against, is Brooks Robinson. Best fielder at 3b of all time. No one will match his 16 GG’s
[QUOTE=Sideshow;254770]can we at least agree that Ryno was the best overall 2nd baseman of all time?[/QUOTE]
He is top 5 all time for sure, not sure you can clearly say he is #1.