[i]Originally posted by Tintin[/i]@Nov 10 2004, 07:26 AM
[b] A couple of years ago I had a discussion with a Carolina fan buddy.
I made the statement that Cincy had better player than Carolina. He told me I was crazy.
I then asked him to name 2 UC players. He couldnāt do it.
He makes the uneducated statement, then canāt back it up.
ACC fans are myopic.
Tintin [/b]
Iām trying to give ElDuke the benefitt of the doubt, thatās why I asked. Iāve got a co-worker who is a big Maryland fan and got upset when I didnāt agree with him that his Terps should have been ranked higher. He then make a comment to the effect of āyea - well what is Charlotte ranked?ā and then continued to bash us and told me weāll stink and probably wonāt make the NCAA tourney. I told him the AP has us 3 out of the top 25 (so about 28th) - then he asked who we had coming back, etc. and said he āreally didnāt know anything about usā. How do you make comments like that (or āwe are better than youā) when you know nothing about us?? That scenario happens a lot, unfortunately.
[i]Originally posted by TurdFurgeson[/i]@Nov 9 2004, 05:28 PM
[b] And to the "poster" cracking on Herbs coaching......thats getting old also. That ship has sailed. Bad coaches don't finish second in the best league in the country [/b]
Sendek is def not a bad coach. He has made NCSU consistant and solid. His teams play like him, which I find a tad boring. I went to one game last yr against UWM.. it was painful to see them struggle against that team. Their defense has always been strong and gives others fits but they never had great team play makers or quality shooters... with Hodge and Melvin over the past few yrs their offense looks more like street ball.
[b]Don't come on here and make it out like you're a bunch of world beaters when you won first round games you were supposed to win.[/b]
I believe that you earn your seeding and nothing is guaranteed anyway. Plenty of higher seeds lose every year. Bottom line is win and advance, and that's what the ACC did last year. When's the last time 6 CUSA teams won all their first round games? Hell when's the last time CUSA actually had more than one team make it past round 2? The ACC has sent at least two teams to the sweet sixteen for 20 straight years so it's easy to understand why ACC teams are ranked in the preseason each year. [b]I'm not saying they all deserve it,[/b] but that's the way preseason rankings go. Furthermore, I'm not the one bitchin about being underated. I was only trying to explain why State and Duke are ranked and Charlotte is not. You have a good team, but you have to prove it in the NCAA's for the pollsters to recognize you.
El Duke, quick question for you. In your opinion, how much do you think the acc expansion will decrease the quality of acc basketball? We know about VT & their coach. We also know about Miami because we have often defeated them in recent years. These new teams will drag down your rpi. Wake only plays chapel hill once this year, & scenarios like that wonāt help matters either. ECU & SMU have hurt CUSA much more than CUSA has helped them & I foresee the same thing happening in the acc with the new teams. Any thoughts?
I think it will drop some. I think Miami has the potential to get better but Va. Tech is a looooooong way from respectability on the basketball court. I donāt think it will matter much this year simply because of the number of highly ranked teams but in the future it could. I also donāt like dropping the round robin format. i think that sucks.
[i]Originally posted by ElDuke[/i]@Nov 10 2004, 10:55 AM
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[b]Don't come on here and make it out like you're a bunch of world beaters when you won first round games you were supposed to win.[/b]
I believe that you earn your seeding and nothing is guaranteed anyway. Plenty of higher seeds lose every year. Bottom line is win and advance, and that's what the ACC did last year. When's the last time 6 CUSA teams won all their first round games? Hell when's the last time CUSA actually had more than one team make it past round 2? The ACC has sent at least two teams to the sweet sixteen for 20 straight years so it's easy to understand why ACC teams are ranked in the preseason each year. [b]I'm not saying they all deserve it,[/b] but that's the way preseason rankings go. Furthermore, I'm not the one bitchin about being underated. I was only trying to explain why State and Duke are ranked and Charlotte is not. You have a good team, but you have to prove it in the NCAA's for the pollsters to recognize you.[/b]
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In most cases, the ACC teams that make it to the dance deserve to be there. Weāve also seen teams from elite conferences with atrocious records squeak in from time to time (GA 16-14, GT 17-12 in 2000-2001 are memorable examples).
It is where they are seeded once they are in that I take issue with. You can argue all you want, but apart from the deserving top seeds, ACC teams consistently get seeded higher than comparable teams from other conferences. You can also find examples of teams from CUSA, closer to the bottom of the major conferences, getting bumped down. I may be biased but Charlotte has been shafted a number of times with the 8/9 seed when they should have been at least a 7 seed. Those little bumps up (or down) make all the difference in the world in terms of advancing in the tournament. The hardest first round 8/9 seed gets a deadly 1/16 winner in the second round. But a bump up to 7 gets you a 7/10 and a 2/15 winner in the second round (a possible second round opponent swing from the best 1 seed to the 8th best 2 seed). The bump from 6 to 5 seed is equally beneficial, netting a 12 seed opponent and an equaly matched 4/13 winner in the second round.
THAT (and the fact that Huggins canāt win a big game outside of the Shoe) is why the ACC (again, outside of the deserving high seeds) consistently advance farther in the tournament, IMHO.
NC State got bumped up one, possibly two seeds based on their second place finish in the conference, even though they finished 5-5 and had a sub .500 road record.
Iāll grant you that Charlotte was not NC State last year, but if intangibles outside of the RPI are going to bump them from a 5 seed (based on their RPI) to a 3 seed, why didnāt Charlotte with 10 true road wins, beating Syracuse on their home court, ending SIUās incredible consecutive home win streak, and tying for first place in CUSA translate into an 8 or even a 7 seed?
It gets even better! In 2003, NC State had an RPI of 53 and got a 9 seed! In 2004, Charlotte had an RPI of 36 and got a 9 seed. In 2003, Maryland had an RPI of 37 but got a 6 seed.
Ummm no. If CUSA sent two thirds of their conference to the NCAAās, and Charlotte finished alone in second place in that conference, do you think a 3 seed would be considered too high? Two ACC teams advanced to the Final Four, and the other 4 were very close to being as good as those two.