Iti has been well documented so Iāll go with tory, runner up would be curtis nash, or maybe neely or whitehead ( i know they didnāt have any hype but both were CLUELESS!) Tory, Tory, tory, how was he ranked the #2 PF by some services? If he was half as good as advertised we would have had a near unstoppable punch up front with rodney, and Cam and Kenkay in the wings. I donāt know how many times I saw tory botch a layup, about as many times as iti bricked a dunk. Not to mention he always seemed to have his mouth hanging open with an empty gaze on his face, he may have been a nice guy, donāt know, but his demeanor on the court made him seem dumb as a box of hammers.
I disagree, we believed the hype coming from recruiting experts and even Iti himself. Any player who says that he will take a team to the Final Four in his freshman year and then go pro, better be a damn good player. Iti was far from a good player.Thanks to Iti experience, I will never look at recruiting the same again.
As I posted in the recruiting thread, Scout had him rated as the 6 best center and Rivals had him rated as the 7th best. ESPN was the only service who had him rated as the #1 center. For some reason we as fans went with the ESPN ranking over the others. Look, I donāt think Iti was an all american. But for the 2 seasons he was here, heās in the Charlotte record books for blocks for a season and for FG %. I donāt think Tory sniffed the record books for anything.
[QUOTE=Normmm;311728]This was kind of the direction or thoughts I was having in the thread I started in the recruiting forum about the highest rated player.
- Tory Reed - him over everybody else because he was a 4 year player
- Martin Iti - didnāt get first for me because he was only a 2 year player and he was over hyped by ourselves, the hype around the country was not as much as we gave him
- Carlos Williams - only a one year player[/QUOTE]
Tory was actually not a 4 year player. He ended up transferring out.
As I posted in the recruiting thread, Scout had him rated as the 6 best center and Rivals had him rated as the 7th best. ESPN was the only service who had him rated as the #1 center. For some reason we as fans went with the ESPN ranking over the others. Look, I don't think Iti was an all american. But for the 2 seasons he was here, he's in the Charlotte record books for blocks for a season and for FG %. I don't think Tory sniffed the record books for anything.
Yeah, but you canāt take those numbers at face value. If all you can do is dunk, then your fg% is going to be high. If you go for every block and never box out, then you will block a lot of shots and allow a ton of offensive rebounds or easy assists as you just left your man wide open. This is the Martin Iti I know.
has to be Travis Gordonā¦
Travis Gordon ruled!
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Cedric Maxwell - Brought some clout to the school years ago but has been a thorn in our ass ever since.
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Martin Iti - Obvious
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Butter Johnson - ??
Rodney White- we could have made a good run in the tourney had he stayed one more year and not went on to dominate the NBA.
I believe Curtis Withers and Rodney White were somewhat disappointments. They seemed to have worldclass talent, but did not have the work ethic to make it big in the NBA. Rodney should have stayed in school longer and Curtis did not seem to work at being a better player.
How about Vincent Grier? Didnāt he end up transferring to Minnesota and becoming Big 10 Player of the Year? Too bad we couldnāt keep him here.
Yeah, but you can't take those numbers at face value. If all you can do is dunk, then your fg% is going to be high. If you go for every block and never box out, then you will block a lot of shots and allow a ton of offensive rebounds or easy assists as you just left your man wide open. This is the Martin Iti I know.
Agreed. I guess what Iām saying is, as ineffective as Iti was, Reed was even more ineffective. Even if all Iti could do was dunk, that was more effective than Reedās jumpshot. If all Iti could do on defense is block shots, thatās still more effective than Reedās non-block and also leaving his man wide open. Reed didnāt even start most of the time.
work ethic or not, Withers was dominant.
No way he belongs in this thread.
Withers was disappointingā¦he was good, but Iād still contend he couldāve been even better than he was.
Withers was not a bust.
Iti was the all time, classic bust. He delivered nothing, compared to his hype.
Booker or Best? yeah, they came on campus with some hype, but always seemed a bit suspicious to me (I think that earlier comparison about top Mississippi HS hoops players in appropriate).
Rodney White? Bust? no really. Underachiever? classic example of this. Had as much skill as anyone Iām ever seen, in person, in a Niners uniform, but needed at least one more year of college.
Still think the biggest busts in school history were Martin ****i or Clyde Walker (Athletic Director from 1977-1985).
Sure, Walker was here during the final four season, but the most of his term in office was horrid, IMO. If you were a student or fan in the early 80ās you will understand, otherwise, this is hard for you to comprehend how bad it really was.
What I remember most about Walker was him trying to hire a coach after firing Mike Pratt. Gary Williams, Eddie Fogler and Steve Cottrell all turned him down. He ended up hiring Hal Wissel and we all know how that turned out.
[QUOTE=SilvioDante;311844]Still think the biggest busts in school history were Martin ****i or Clyde Walker (Athletic Director from 1977-1985).
Sure, Walker was here during the final four season, but the most of his term in office was horrid, IMO. If you were a student or fan in the early 80ās you will understand, otherwise, this is hard for you to comprehend how bad it really was.[/QUOTE]
For whatever reason, I was thinking Walker was hired after Rose left in 1978, not before. No denying that Wissel was a bad hire, though, like Rose, he had been very successful at the D-II level. The giveaway with Wissel, though, was the fact that unlike Rose, he had D-I experience as a HC prior to Charlotte (at Lafayette and Fordham), but didnāt do very well at Fordham (an NIT appearance in 1972) and was āreleasedā in 1975 after his 5th season with the Bronx Rams with one year remaining on his contract. (BTW, I believe Wissel replaced Digger Phelps at Fordham when the latter took over at Notre Dame.)
I think Judy Rose was the biggest bust of all timesā¦know wait a minuteā¦were there really ever high expectations?
Who was the kid Jeff Mullins recruited back in the early 90's who turned out to be legally blind in one eye after he arrived on campus?Kummer's sidekick.....Jason Dominick
[QUOTE=metro;311894]Kummerās sidekickā¦Jason Dominick[/QUOTE]
Speaking of Mullins, he is responsible for the biggest waste of skin (a ton of skin at that)ā¦ Pedro Morales. Donāt think he ever suited up for a game.
Speaking of Mullins, he is responsible for the biggest waste of skin (a ton of skin at that)...... Pedro Morales. Don't think he ever suited up for a game.
Wow, now that was harsh. Ouch.
Speaking of Mullins, he is responsible for the biggest waste of skin (a ton of skin at that)...... Pedro Morales. Don't think he ever suited up for a game.
7-0 400lbs.
I watched my friend, a rugby player, who is 6-2, knock Pedro out cold turkey in the UT parking lot. I thought he was dead. One of only a handful of times I have seen someone unconscious from a punch.