I didnāt dislike Curtis Nash as much as I disliked Vincent Grier. The fact that he decked Calvin Clemmons, of all people, right before a C-USA Tournament game in 2003 shows that 1) he was a cancer to the team, and 2) heās the dumbest MFer that ever lived. You donāt cross Calvin Clemmons; just ask Dajuan Wagner and those a-holes on the 01-02 Tiger High squad.
Your list sucks. Beasley didn't even play here. How could he be a bust? Neither Mitch or Deangelo were close to being a bust. As a matter of fact Alexander had similar senior stats to Leemire. We all know how this board loves them some Leemire.Mitch wasn't a bust? wtf ever. He was a top 100 recruit and was brutal. Couldn't shoot. Didn't care about winning. All smiles after a loss.
[QUOTE=metro;312401]Mitch wasnāt a bust? wtf ever.
He was a top 100 recruit and was brutal. Couldnāt shoot. Didnāt care about winning. All smiles after a loss.[/QUOTE]
I knew Mitch pretty well, and I can tell you that he DID get pretty torn up about losing. Granted, he drove me crazy on the court sometimes, but he worked very, very hard.
Your list sucks. Beasley didn't even play here. How could he be a bust? Neither Mitch or Deangelo were close to being a bust. As a matter of fact Alexander had similar senior stats to Leemire. We all know how this board loves them some Leemire.
In terms of expectations they were busts. Maybe we put too much on them, but ultimately they become busts when they donāt take us where we expect them to. Michael Beasley not playing here is exactly why he is a bust. He was committed to come here for about a year and a half. I canāt really think of a much bigger bust than that, especially seeing how good he was at Kansas State. Can you imagine what this team would have been like with Beasley on the roster?
[QUOTE=49timesthelovin;312407]Can you imagine what this team would have been like with Beasley on the roster?[/QUOTE]
Even more delusional fans? Players peeing in towels on the court?
I knew Mitch pretty well, and I can tell you that he DID get pretty torn up about losing. Granted, he drove me crazy on the court sometimes, but he worked very, very hard.I am sure he worked. Didn't say he was lazy. Some guys want to win at all costs: Demon, Galen, Jobey, Lee, Gardner, Kummer. Mitch was not a warrior.
with his ability, had he been a warrior he could of been among the best of all time here.
heās a bust
Fans always hype recruits to some extent, itās the evil side effect of all these rating services that are around now. Along with this hype come unrealistic expectations for what a player will bring (often getting into the playerās head too). Given this environment, what is a ābustā in this context? To me, thatās someone who did not contribute much of anything of value, particularly given how many players never even play much (hyped or not). But to others, it means not living up to the hype, sometimes no matter how unrealistic that gets. That means probably half of the players in bball will be busts, which I guess is fine for many fans who seem to like to take players down a peg.
Baldwin was a solid player for us. He was very promising early on, but was clearly a completely different player after the injury. Even then, he was decent, and better than some of the other point guards weāve had. I donāt understand some of the hate he gets from fans. Some folks pay too much attention to those recruiting rankings and I think it colors their view of the player. Hereās another: Iti wouldāve been a solid player for us last year if he had stuck around. Not one of the top centers in the country, but decent and a solid contributor. He actually burned us more by leaving than by poor play, as Lutz brought in a ton of jucos to fill his spot.
[QUOTE=metro;312401]Mitch wasnāt a bust? wtf ever.
He was a top 100 recruit and was brutal. Couldnāt shoot. Didnāt care about winning. All smiles after a loss.[/QUOTE]
Couldnāt shoot and more amazingly to me, couldnāt go left a dribble. Simply dumbfounding to me.
Point guards who canāt shoot a damn bit seem to be a trend at Charlotte. It just befuddles me all to hell that a guard canāt shoot. No excuse for it- you should be able to look at your mom and dad and realize youāre probably not going to be a center if you play bball in college. Grab a freaking ball, go out to the driveway and work on your damn shot.
Fans always hype recruits to some extent, it's the evil side effect of all these rating services that are around now. Along with this hype come unrealistic expectations for what a player will bring (often getting into the player's head too). Given this environment, what is a "bust" in this context? To me, that's someone who did not contribute much of anything of value, particularly given how many players never even play much (hyped or not). But to others, it means not living up to the hype, sometimes no matter how unrealistic that gets. That means probably half of the players in bball will be busts, which I guess is fine for many fans who seem to like to take players down a peg.Some folks pay too much attention to those recruiting rankings and I think it colors their view of the player. Hereās another: Iti wouldāve been a solid player for us last year if he had stuck around. Not one of the top centers in the country, but decent and a solid contributor. He actually burned us more by leaving than by poor play, as Lutz brought in a ton of jucos to fill his spot.
Nicely put. I really wish we could have gotten past the fact that Iti was not the #1 center in the country. OK, we get it. Maybe he was the 20th. Maybe 25th. Whatever. That doesnāt mean he couldnāt have still contributed. Considering we had to play 6ā8" Drayton and 6ā7" Coleman at center I think Iti would have contributed. Iām sure it was also difficult for him to not be living up to the expectations too. Yes, he said some dumb things. But he was only 19 and he didnāt give himself the recruiting rating. Not to mention the rumors of his guardian being the true person filling his head with bad advice.
Not even close- Iti takes this one hands down.
- Martin Iti
- Alex Khul
Must be a big man thing.
I am sure he worked. Didn't say he was lazy. Some guys want to win at all costs: Demon, Galen, Jobey, Lee, Gardner, Kummer. Mitch was not a warrior.To me a bust is someone that transfers or never plays major minutes. A bust surely doesnāt log 30-plus minutes a game at the PG and have a solid Assist to TO ratio. Sager, Iti, Whitehead and Neeley come to mind as bust. Kuhl not a bust, he gave us solid minutes on a good team. Greir was a bust for us, even though it ended up working out for him at Minnesota.with his ability, had he been a warrior he could of been among the best of all time here.
heās a bust
To me a bust is someone that transfers or never plays major minutes. A bust surely doesn't log 30-plus minutes a game at the PG and have a solid Assist to TO ratio. Sager, Iti, Whitehead and Neeley come to mind as bust. Kuhl not a bust, he gave us solid minutes on a good team. Greir was a bust for us, even though it ended up working out for him at Minnesota.
Grierās a good choice. I should have included him on my list. Agreed also that Kuhl was not a bust. I would have loved having him on one of the rosters over the last 5 seasons.
As far as players go I would say Iti, hands down. Some on here overhyped him but he definently brought some of that on himself with some of the comments he made before coming here, proclaiming a Final 4.
As far as teams go, the 04-05 season at the end. I have never seen a team change for the negative without an injury quicker. The loss at South Florida seemed to just send the team into a complete collapse. The NCAA tournament game against State where we led at the half only to see us collapse in the 2nd half still haunts me. Thats one of the few games where I felt sick to my stomach at the end of it. I donāt remeber the defender, but one of their guys just completely shut down Plavich that game to where he couldnāt hardly get a shot off.
[QUOTE=switchfoot;312779]As far as players go I would say Iti, hands down. Some on here overhyped him but he definently brought some of that on himself with some of the comments he made before coming here, proclaiming a Final 4.
As far as teams go, the 04-05 season at the end. I have never seen a team change for the negative without an injury quicker. The loss at South Florida seemed to just send the team into a complete collapse. The NCAA tournament game against State where we led at the half only to see us collapse in the 2nd half still haunts me. Thats one of the few games where I felt sick to my stomach at the end of it. I donāt remeber the defender, but one of their guys just completely shut down Plavich that game to where he couldnāt hardly get a shot off.[/QUOTE]
We still havenāt recovered from that year as a program. I seriously think that was when everyone in the country had finally gotten it, how to shut down Lutzā offense.
We still haven't recovered from that year as a program. I seriously think that was when everyone in the country had finally gotten it, how to shut down Lutz' offense.
I donāt know. Iād say the program peaked in '98 and has been going down since then. Some people will also say that time frame coincides with the hire of Lutz. But I would say that it was just that, a coincidence. Watkins was only here 2 seasons and we saw his results at A&M. Itās more the players than the system to me. We have not had a team with the 1 - 2 punch of Colson and Demarco since then. Not to mention a supporting cast of Young, Guevarra, Thomas, Shaw and Price. We just havenāt had the talent level of that team.
[QUOTE=Normmm;312803]I donāt know. Iād say the program peaked in '98 and has been going down since then. Some people will also say that time frame coincides with the hire of Lutz. But I would say that it was just that, a coincidence. Watkins was only here 2 seasons and we saw his results at A&M. Itās more the players than the system to me. We have not had a team with the 1 - 2 punch of Colson and Demarco since then. Not to mention a supporting cast of Young, Guevarra, Thomas, Shaw and Price. We just havenāt had the talent level of that team.[/QUOTE]
Rodney White, we had plenty of talent on that squad.
And Demonās senior year we had Eddie and Curt out there.
But, I could get behind 2000-01 being the year we peaked.
Rodney White, we had plenty of talent on that squad.And Demonās senior year we had Eddie and Curt out there.
But, I could get behind 2000-01 being the year we peaked.
Agreed, they were talented too. But Iād still say '98 was better. To me Colson>Brown. Demarco> Withers and Young=Basden. Maybe I would give Basden the nod, but that oneās really close. You also have to consider the year and not just the fact they were on the team. A Jr Galen vs a Fr Basden is not a contest. Same for a So Withers vs a Sr Johnson. Iād even say a freshman Diego was better than a freshman Basden. Colson and Johnson are probably the 2 best leaders since Henry Williams and they were on the same roster.
That 98 team was nasty. I think the 2003-2004 team had one of our best starting line ups in a long time, just a very disappointing end to that season as well.
04-05 was our most overall talented team since Lutz has been head coach. That was also the biggest bust of a season ever.
Our 00-01 team was our most offensively talented team with Rodney & co., butthe 04-05 team was better defensively and stronger, they would have matched up much better vs. Illinois in 01 than the 00-01 team.
Something happened to that team down stretch, some people make excuses about 3 senior nights on the road, others say the refs swallowed their whistles in the 1st round vs. NC State, but I think it was part Lutz / Tennessee and part team chemistry explosion.
I like the team a year before better. 04-05 was solid, but 03-04 we still had Demon. Demon was better than any other guard we had in that two year stretch. We were world beaters in 03-04, we coasted off the recognition that team built in 04-05.
Big wins in 04-05:
IU and UC at home.
Big Wins in 03-04:
@Syracuse
Southern Illinois
@ Cincy
Louisville
The kickerā¦
04-05 we lost to ECU.