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Just providing facts against opinions. This is a platform for us to communicate and debate. Anyone that is opposed to Bobby must not have been present during his run. Great coach. Great person. Great diplomat for our program.
How anyone could suggest we keep him off our short list is beyond me.
So you are telling me the coach with the longest sustained success in our programâs history, didnât elevate our program over his tenure and made it worse?
I guess technically youâre right. We won 20 games the year before he was hired and only won 19 the year he was fired. So much worse.
Itâs also laughable that you bring up attendance!!! It is a miracle that we still had 6000+ on average once we switched over to the A-10. We pretty much lost any casual fans interest. Now some consider over 4000 a good crowd!!!
Iâm not calling for Bobby to be hired back, Iâm just not going to sit back and watch people sh*t on his tenure. Iâve reluctantly posted my thoughts in this thread and Iâm done with it now.
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If you look at the data points from when he started to when he left, we certainly looked worse off.
It is possible to think a lot of Bobby and what he did for our program and not believe he is what we need now. I love Bobby and respect him in many ways. Would I love to see him come back and kick butt in the AAC, yes. Do I think it will happen, NO.
Bobby hasnât been a head coach since he left 11 years ago. Recruiting and retaining players is light years away from 2010. My fear is it will be a story just like Camâs. Everyone hoping the âold Camâ will be the one we see and what we get is a shadow of that former greatness and everyone is disappointed.
It would be a great Disney movie but that just wouldnât be our reality.
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Really never went more than 2 sometimes 3 years without winning 19 or 20 games. Sure there were a couple of really good years with Watkins right before Bobby became head coach but he was part of that. Look at the years before with Mullins, who most consider to have been a really good coach, and the years since. Bobby was a victim of his own success and not being able to take that next step forward. How many mid majors do that. Butler for a few seasons, Wichita State for a few seasons, Davidson for 1 year with Steph Curry. The stretch Lutz had here was definitely one of the best stretches in the history of this program and he won 19 games his last season here. I wouldnât consider that leaving it in a bad position. It has just been terrribly mismanaged since he was fired.
This thread sucks. Mostly because itâs forcing people that love Bobby to say critical things about a coach we all love because they donât think he should be the next guy hired. Iâve said it before I want him back just not as the HC here, but Iâm pretty sure our potentials will be a better option given where we are.
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I agree and the only purpose of this thread w as for some to continue to repeat the same things they have in other threads over and over.
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DOBA post Mr. Bo.
Some of us donât have to âlook at data pointsââŚdid you really post that?..we lived it. Bobby WAS this program for more than a decade. He elevated it to what we all want to get back to nowâŚthink a little before you post.
That is a terrible analogy. Zero similarities between the Cam and Bobby situations.
Itâs the simple question, was the program in better shape when Bobby left than when he got here. Not that if he was a bad coach (he wasnât), or if he didnât do anything for the program (he did) or if weâve done better since heâs left (we havenât).
But our attendance was less, our post season track record was worse, and our recruiting was worse. Iâm not really sure what metrics he left the program in better shape. Please enlighten me.
No one has given a compelling argument besides liking Bobby Lutz.
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âBobby WAS this program for more than a decade.â You nailed it!
Now letâs stumble into the NEXT decade.
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The program had its greatest extended period of success, while Bobby was here, mostly as HC and its not even close. Attendance was essentially equal when he left to what it was when he arrived and that is incredible considering we went from hosting Cincy, Louisville, Memphis, etc to hosting Duquesne and Lasalle. Its obvious you werenât around, so I understand you just donât know what youâre talking about.
So us not making the post season outside of a 2 NIT bids and our recruiting collapsing is in your mind better shape than when we he got here?
Can we lock this thing? No good comes of this discussion.
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Yes, the overall condition of the program was better in 2010 than it was in 1995 when Bobby arrived.
Really?
Both had great success while here, but towards the end both had results that were declining. Both have been away for a while and not in their formal role or with success. Both were out of the game for a bit because no one picked them up. Cam came back and was an abject failure.
Please donât interpret this as I donât love Bobby, because I do. He had some great years here and some great teams. Our team was declining the last few years for whatever reason you want to attribute it to ( new conference, lost spark, etc). He has not been a head coach for anybody since then, probably should have been in my opinion.
I donât think reaching back in time to former glory is the answer. That is one Niner since 1986âs opinion.
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Most of your post is inaccurate, but you are entitled to post whatever you wantâŚI disagree with almost all of it though.
Being in love with somebody and selecting them to lead your family and fortune out of abject despair are two separate things. Bobby was âlovelyâ in many ways (even if JR didnât quite get it) but the recruits are different, the defenses are different, the offensive demands are different. No doubt, Bobby is still âlovelyâ and personably lovable, but after several years, his ship has sailed. For the fans who want wins in the 2200s, give Bobby a medal, but move on.
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