Briscoe doesn't get enough playing time

[9erken]

[quote=“sokool, post:18, topic:26120”]All three of Missouri’s guards are 6’0 and under Kimme English is a former player and close acquaintance of mine, so I have met them all personally.

Media height listings are almost always exaggerated.

Deuce should be starting at the two he’s shooting almost 10%pts better than Derrio and also just playing better in all other phases of the game.

Major also should be playing Deuce and Derrio at the point to give Henry a rest. Playing your best scorer 16-17 min a game on a team that struggles to score is just DUMB.

So the schtick is the same PLAY YOUR BEST PLAYERS.[/quote] Bolded, which means that Green’s height listings are as well. If Major was a SIZE KING, he wouldn’t be playing Green so many minutes a game at the 2, he’d have Mayfield at the 2 with Barnett or Nickerson at the 3. This is why what you’re saying makes no sense. At least make your arguments logically consistent.

Agree about resting Henry at point guard, but I think it’s clear Major does not want to play Green or Briscoe extended minutes at the point. I don’t think it has anything to do with size since he plays one of the two at sg for most of the game, and everything to do with how they handle the ball and run the offense (the only reason Voncina saw so much time at the point).

[sportsman1417]

Henry: 7.5 points, 4.1 Rebounds, 3.3 assist, 2.7 steals this year

–averaging five less points but higher in everything else(FG%, 3%…). Also averaging .5 less To’s a game than Deuce last year while playing 4 less minutes a game. Get off your high horse.

[cdsniner]

@sportsman1417

Get off your high horse.

Given the subject of his constat babbling I’m going to assume he’s on a miniature horse.

[hootie]

sokool, I know you are close to the kid so I have a degree of admiration for you sticking up for him.

Problem is, you act like he’s Michael Jordan in a 5’8" frame. He’s simply not. I’ll guarentee 90% of this board really likes Briscoe’s game, hell I do.

But, he’s not what you are blowing him up to be. I really and truly wish he was.

[sokool]

[quote=“sportsman1417, post:22, topic:26120”]Henry: 7.5 points, 4.1 Rebounds, 3.3 assist, 2.7 steals this year

–averaging five less points but higher in everything else(FG%, 3%…). Also averaging .5 less To’s a game than Deuce last year while playing 4 less minutes a game. Get off your high horse.[/quote]

.5 To’s whats that half a turnover :o If you think thats a significant upgrade then you are even more delirious then your posts.

5ppg difference in scoring from the PG position is a significant difference especially on a team that struggles to score against anybody.

Henry’s 64% ft compared to Briscoe’s 75% is also significant. Nobody at our starting 1,2,3, positions shoot better that 65% ft. Thats a recipe for LOSING in itself.

You also convieniently fail to recognize that Briscoe played with half a team last year.

You also fail to recognize that Briscoe avg 12ppg, shot 40% 3pt 43% fg, 79% ft in A-10 play.

Henry has not played anywhere near the level of competition or the number of games that Briscoe has and until he does all his numbers are suspect.

Right now Henry and Briscoe shouldn’t even be compared they should be playing major minutes together.

Henry should play 25+ and so should Briscoe. They are our best options in the backcourt to win NOW.

You simply must be blind if you cant see that. Maybe it will take you 12 or 13 more losses for you to wake the f##k up.

[b]12.8 points, 3.9 rebounds, 3.0 assists and 1.5 steals. Is not a statline that is better served on the Bench for this team.

WE ARE NOT THAT GOOD

[/b]

[sokool]

[quote=“hootie, post:24, topic:26120”]sokool, I know you are close to the kid so I have a degree of admiration for you sticking up for him.

Problem is, you act like he’s Michael Jordan in a 5’8" frame. He’s simply not. I’ll guarentee 90% of this board really likes Briscoe’s game, hell I do.

But, he’s not what you are blowing him up to be. I really and truly wish he was.[/quote]

Hootie I dont think Briscoe is Michael Jordan and I too wish he was.

I just think he is one of our best 5 players and its painful to be a niners fan and watch MAJOR send us out there without all our bullets in the gun. KJ is another bullet being wasted.

While we are getting SHOT TO HELL AND BACK.

Major seems to have no clue in the difference between what he wants and the reality of his teams make up.

[Charlotte2002]

[quote=“sokool, post:26, topic:26120”][quote=“hootie, post:24, topic:26120”]sokool, I know you are close to the kid so I have a degree of admiration for you sticking up for him.

Problem is, you act like he’s Michael Jordan in a 5’8" frame. He’s simply not. I’ll guarentee 90% of this board really likes Briscoe’s game, hell I do.

But, he’s not what you are blowing him up to be. I really and truly wish he was.[/quote]

Hootie I dont think Briscoe is Michael Jordan and I too wish he was.

I just think he is one of our best 5 players and its painful to be a niners fan and watch MAJOR send us out there without all our bullets in the gun. KJ is another bullet being wasted.

While we are getting SHOT TO HELL AND BACK.

Major seems to have no clue in the difference between what he wants and the reality of his teams make up.[/quote]

Didn’t you complain in this thread that Bras didn’t play enough, but now you are saying KJ doesn’t play enough?

Using Briscoe off of the bench makes sense for the following reasons:

1. The team has made a conscious effort to establish running the offense and getting the ball inside early. Briscoe is a score first guy, it is just the mentality he has and what makes him good at what he does, but he looks for his own shot first on every catch and that disrupts the flow of the offense. In addition, it is much harder for him to make entry passes than Derrio, because of height and wingspan.

2. Using Briscoe off of the bench as a 6 man / scoring spark plug makes best use of his ability to score given his other shortfalls and the typical game plan for the way the coach wants to play now and moving forward. When Briscoe is scoring he is an asset, when he is not, he can be a liability. When he scores, coach keeps him on the floor.

I don’t know what it is, perhaps Major spit in your coffee or didn’t invite you to his BBQ, I really don’t know. To continue this topic thread after thread after thread makes it clear to me that you just need attention. You are getting it, hope it makes you sleep better at night.

[sportsman1417]

you say .5 is not that much…but then compare ft%. Lets say each shoot 8 free throws. Briscoe scores 6 and Henry scores 5.12. Don’t tell me that is significant yet averaging less TO is not significant.

5 points is a lot but the extra assist a game really makes it 3 or 2 points contributed by the player.

Henry plays with more or less the same starting five as last year. Green played, Braswell played, JB played. Deuce played with half a team…most of which are still on the team. He also played with a SF combo that NEVER SHOT. Anjuan and Charles didn’t shoot. So he should have been relied on more and still only contributed to 3 more points than Henry.

Why would I compare A-10 numbers when one HAS NOT played in the A10?

Maybe it will take you another 12-13 losses in the A10 to wake the f##k up that Deuce does not win in the A10.

[stonecoldken]

NA if you’re going to post the name of some obscure person, it’s your responsibility to tell us who they are. I shouldn’t have to google something from a damn message board.

[sokool]

[quote=“sportsman1417, post:28, topic:26120”]you say .5 is not that much…but then compare ft%. Lets say each shoot 8 free throws. Briscoe scores 6 and Henry scores 5.12. Don’t tell me that is significant yet averaging less TO is not significant.

5 points is a lot but the extra assist a game really makes it 3 or 2 points contributed by the player.

Henry plays with more or less the same starting five as last year. Green played, Braswell played, JB played. Deuce played with half a team…most of which are still on the team. He also played with a SF combo that NEVER SHOT. Anjuan and Charles didn’t shoot. So he should have been relied on more and still only contributed to 3 more points than Henry.

Why would I compare A-10 numbers when one HAS NOT played in the A10?

Maybe it will take you another 12-13 losses in the A10 to wake the f##k up that Deuce does not win in the A10.[/quote]

Your basically proving my point that there is not enough separation between the two that warrants one play 15 min more than the other.

You must have missed the piece where I said playing them together gives us the best opportunity to win.

Henry has Major flaws in his game an he has no experience. Deuce strengths are Henry’s weaknesses and vice versa.

If you think that Henry is going to win in the A-10 without us playing Deuce at least 25+ min per game YOU ARE SADLY MISTAKEN.

What is certain is that I have seen Deuce beat quality ACC and SEC teams as a pg. I have not seen Henry do the same.

[punkrockcowboy]

Fortunately they’re on the same team and work together… but you wouldn’t know it from reading this thread.

[Charlotte2002]

[quote=“sokool, post:30, topic:26120”][quote=“sportsman1417, post:28, topic:26120”]you say .5 is not that much…but then compare ft%. Lets say each shoot 8 free throws. Briscoe scores 6 and Henry scores 5.12. Don’t tell me that is significant yet averaging less TO is not significant.

5 points is a lot but the extra assist a game really makes it 3 or 2 points contributed by the player.

Henry plays with more or less the same starting five as last year. Green played, Braswell played, JB played. Deuce played with half a team…most of which are still on the team. He also played with a SF combo that NEVER SHOT. Anjuan and Charles didn’t shoot. So he should have been relied on more and still only contributed to 3 more points than Henry.

Why would I compare A-10 numbers when one HAS NOT played in the A10?

Maybe it will take you another 12-13 losses in the A10 to wake the f##k up that Deuce does not win in the A10.[/quote]

Your basically proving my point that there is not enough separation between the two that warrants one play 15 min more than the other.

You must have missed the piece where I said playing them together gives us the best opportunity to win.

Henry has Major flaws in his game an he has no experience. Deuce strengths are Henry’s weaknesses and vice versa.

If you think that Henry is going to win in the A-10 without us playing Deuce at least 25+ min per game YOU ARE SADLY MISTAKEN.

What is certain is that I have seen Deuce beat quality ACC and SEC teams as a pg. I have not seen Henry do the same.[/quote]

Briscoe’s best asset is his scoring, not running the offense. His role on this team is to score off of the bench and when he is hitting he will play 25 minutes a game. If he is off Derrio plays more of the minutes. Seems pretty straight forward to me. It is a team game, not the 1 man show you seem to want it to be.

As for those quality ACC and SEC teams…

Tennessee was coming off a loss to Oakland, finished the season 19-15 and fired their coach.
vs. Tenn (49-48 win - game winning assist by Green)
Briscoe had 14 points and was 4 for 16 (2 for 5 from 3) with 4 assists and 1 turnover.
Green had 13 points and was 3 for 7 (1 for 4 from 3) with 1 assist and 1 turnover.

Georgia Tech finished the season 13-18 and fired their coach.
vs. GT (2 OT win)
Briscoe had 6 points and was 3-10 (0-4 from 3) with 1 assist and 5 turnovers.
Green had 21 points and was 5-20 (3-12 from 3) with 9 assists and 3 turnovers.

We had Phil Jones in both games, who held down the lane and was key to our defense (23 points and 6 blocks combined in the two games).

Again to say quality is dishonest. Both teams were not very good last year. They were good wins for us, but I bet you that Miami and Arkansas have much better seasons than either of those “quality” teams did last season, and neither team will be firing their coach.

[sokool]

[quote=“Charlotte2002, post:27, topic:26120”][quote=“sokool, post:26, topic:26120”][quote=“hootie, post:24, topic:26120”]sokool, I know you are close to the kid so I have a degree of admiration for you sticking up for him.

Problem is, you act like he’s Michael Jordan in a 5’8" frame. He’s simply not. I’ll guarentee 90% of this board really likes Briscoe’s game, hell I do.

But, he’s not what you are blowing him up to be. I really and truly wish he was.[/quote]

Hootie I dont think Briscoe is Michael Jordan and I too wish he was.

I just think he is one of our best 5 players and its painful to be a niners fan and watch MAJOR send us out there without all our bullets in the gun. KJ is another bullet being wasted.

While we are getting SHOT TO HELL AND BACK.

Major seems to have no clue in the difference between what he wants and the reality of his teams make up.[/quote]

Didn’t you complain in this thread that Bras didn’t play enough, but now you are saying KJ doesn’t play enough?

Using Briscoe off of the bench makes sense for the following reasons:

1. The team has made a conscious effort to establish running the offense and getting the ball inside early. Briscoe is a score first guy, it is just the mentality he has and what makes him good at what he does, but he looks for his own shot first on every catch and that disrupts the flow of the offense. In addition, it is much harder for him to make entry passes than Derrio, because of height and wingspan.

2. Using Briscoe off of the bench as a 6 man / scoring spark plug makes best use of his ability to score given his other shortfalls and the typical game plan for the way the coach wants to play now and moving forward. When Briscoe is scoring he is an asset, when he is not, he can be a liability. When he scores, coach keeps him on the floor.

I don’t know what it is, perhaps Major spit in your coffee or didn’t invite you to his BBQ, I really don’t know. To continue this topic thread after thread after thread makes it clear to me that you just need attention. You are getting it, hope it makes you sleep better at night.[/quote]

All this mean diddlysh!t if you cant SCORE.

THIS TEAM NEEDS SCORERS ASAP. We dont have the offensive fire power to wait.

Cant you see that we are getting beat in the first 10 minutes and we definitely dont have the offensive talent to mount comebacks against good teams who generally have more offensive weapons than us.

As for attention NNN needs me just as much as I need it.

I’m the niner fan you love to hate.

I’m the only one with balls enough to stay consistent with my displeasure or pleasure in regards to how this program is being run.
And dont give a f##k who likes it or not.

I’m a niner fan not a niner clone.

Without me the groupies here would be forced to snuggle up in your own little sandbox, suckin teets and drinkin each others bull sheet kool aid.

And I have never personally attacked, called anyone out of their name or disrespected any of my fellow niner fans, that have shown me the same respect.

[system]

I think its time where we have a ‘Briscoe doesn’t get enough playing time thread’ and just merge all this junk in there rather than have this on every post game thread…

Mods? Please? 8)

[Agent49]

[quote=“Iron9er, post:34, topic:26120”]I think its time where we have a ‘Briscoe doesn’t get enough playing time thread’ and just merge all this junk in there rather than have this on every post game thread…

Mods? Please? 8)[/quote]That would take too much time, lol.

[ImfromClayton]

@cdsniner

[quote=“sportsman1417, post:22, topic:26120”]Get off your high horse.

Given the subject of his constat babbling I’m going to assume he’s on a miniature horse.[/quote]

I spit out my drink laughing when I read this.

[PARMAN]

Sokool, why did Briscoe transfer to Charlotte? He should have known he would not get as much playing time. YOU keep failing to realize last year was an exception because of our limited depth.

[system]

I love that sokool isn’t responding to 2002.

[Agent49]

[quote=“PARMAN, post:37, topic:26120”]Sokool, why did Briscoe transfer to Charlotte? He should have known he would not get as much playing time. YOU keep failing to realize last year was an exception because of our limited depth.[/quote]If Lutz stayed, he would have received plenty of PT and had the freedom to shoot at will. That’s why he came to Charlotte.

[73niner]

Charlotte2002 is right on.  Briscoe's liabilities : (1) Being that short he has to be amazingly quick.  He is NOT. (2) His shot first mentality, especially at PG, very detrimental to the flow of the game.  The best percentage shots come from ball movement.  Watch his passes.  They're usually safe ones that never puts the team in a better position.  (3) He constantly misses the open man because he's so intent on getting his shot off.  ( There's not a stat for that one) (4)  Switching off, he continually gets mismatched by taller players and no matter what you say, that's not good. (5)  Since he's not that quick he has to take chances on defense, hence his few steals stat, but watch, he gets abused defensively as they shoot over him and have no problem passing or driving around.  This puts more pressure on everyone else to pick up his slack.
 On the positive side,  he can score in spurts, and that helps.  I'm not a Briscoe hater, I'm just trying to be realistic.  
 The same team for the Davidson game has disappeared.  Arkansas was good and Miami could have beaten anybody that night, so I'm not suicidal like some of you, but I smell a trend.  I'm hoping everybody's negative comments aren't being read by players and slowly beginning to cause chemistry problems.  We have a lot of young impressionable players with maybe the most talent we've had in a long time.  Let's give them the encouragement they deserve. ( I promise to be less critical and hope Sokool will do the same)