Just another day where the AD tries to suppress attendance on what should be a big event.[/quote]Sadly, they actually are trying to do this because the spring game was too much work last year. They want it to be a smaller event this year. Wish I was joking.[/quote]This sounds like nonsense, but I do appreciate you making you signature smaller. Post a source or just tell people you are making this up.
[quote=âpickman, post:1, topic:28709â]I think I need a break from the negativity that spews from this board on a daily basis. Not to mention the updates on farts and sh!ts. How many times has someone posted âI just donât care any moreâ then follow that up with about 100 more complaining posts. Many posts are more likely to incite than inform. Does anyone really think the AD will have any kind of a reaction to the posts on this board? Do you really think she will deal with any issues regarding the head coach in public forum? I know this board is privileged to have so many coaching, recruiting and administration experts posting here, but is it not time to change the dialogue and move on? If not, then you are most likely involved in an deliberate effort to run off the coach and/or AD.
I for one, will not play a part in such an effort.[/quote]
I think that people misinterpreted what you were saying because I feel the same. Nobody is disagreeing with anyoneâs complaints over whether Major should be fired. These are valid and forums are where they are spoken by the fans typically. The issue is 20 page long threads of âFire Majorâ or âFire Judyâ where the same people keep saying the same things over and over. Many people like myself come hear to read about 49er news and we can tolerate an occasional rant by Metro. However, the continued negativity towards the, like it or not, current leaders of the athletics and basketball are turning fans like myself towards other sources for Niner news. It is obvious that the basketball administration is in place for another season. If post after post of firing Major and the AD continue for a year I will be letting the door to this forum hit me in the backside right along with Pickman. As a graduate of 2000, I have seen good teams play for us and I was there when we beat Cinci and Lâville. Iâm not sure those days will return anytime soon, but I will continue to support the University because it is what I love even if I donât agree with what it always does.
If they did the same thing they did when they fired Bobby we wouldnât lose anyone. It is up to the coach to bring the players into the fold. Major had the backing to take whatever time he needed to rebuild - so there was no danger to him in letting Shamari go or not doing everything he could to keep Phil in class or working with some of the other guys. If you hire a new coach and tell tehm the expectation is to win and win soon it may change the dynamics in how the player coach relationship develops. Second if you know what you have isnât the answer then you have to take it on the chin and move on. Like I said if this is acceptable then we should have just kept Bobby - same results but cheaper.
[quote=âDowless, post:42, topic:28709â][quote=âpickman, post:1, topic:28709â]I think I need a break from the negativity that spews from this board on a daily basis. Not to mention the updates on farts and sh!ts. How many times has someone posted âI just donât care any moreâ then follow that up with about 100 more complaining posts. Many posts are more likely to incite than inform. Does anyone really think the AD will have any kind of a reaction to the posts on this board? Do you really think she will deal with any issues regarding the head coach in public forum? I know this board is privileged to have so many coaching, recruiting and administration experts posting here, but is it not time to change the dialogue and move on? If not, then you are most likely involved in an deliberate effort to run off the coach and/or AD.
I for one, will not play a part in such an effort.[/quote]
I think that people misinterpreted what you were saying because I feel the same. Nobody is disagreeing with anyoneâs complaints over whether Major should be fired. These are valid and forums are where they are spoken by the fans typically. The issue is 20 page long threads of âFire Majorâ or âFire Judyâ where the same people keep saying the same things over and over. Many people like myself come hear to read about 49er news and we can tolerate an occasional rant by Metro. However, the continued negativity towards the, like it or not, current leaders of the athletics and basketball are turning fans like myself towards other sources for Niner news. It is obvious that the basketball administration is in place for another season. If post after post of firing Major and the AD continue for a year I will be letting the door to this forum hit me in the backside right along with Pickman. As a graduate of 2000, I have seen good teams play for us and I was there when we beat Cinci and Lâville. Iâm not sure those days will return anytime soon, but I will continue to support the University because it is what I love even if I donât agree with what it always does.[/quote]Do you expect folks not to complain/vent if they arenât happy? How many other places do Charlotte fans have to converse with one another in the same fashion as NN.N?
If you feel there should be other topics on here being discuss, please, start the thread so it has visibility.
[quote=âDowless, post:42, topic:28709â][quote=âpickman, post:1, topic:28709â]I think I need a break from the negativity that spews from this board on a daily basis. Not to mention the updates on farts and sh!ts. How many times has someone posted âI just donât care any moreâ then follow that up with about 100 more complaining posts. Many posts are more likely to incite than inform. Does anyone really think the AD will have any kind of a reaction to the posts on this board? Do you really think she will deal with any issues regarding the head coach in public forum? I know this board is privileged to have so many coaching, recruiting and administration experts posting here, but is it not time to change the dialogue and move on? If not, then you are most likely involved in an deliberate effort to run off the coach and/or AD.
I for one, will not play a part in such an effort.[/quote]
I think that people misinterpreted what you were saying because I feel the same. Nobody is disagreeing with anyoneâs complaints over whether Major should be fired. These are valid and forums are where they are spoken by the fans typically. The issue is 20 page long threads of âFire Majorâ or âFire Judyâ where the same people keep saying the same things over and over. Many people like myself come hear to read about 49er news and we can tolerate an occasional rant by Metro. However, the continued negativity towards the, like it or not, current leaders of the athletics and basketball are turning fans like myself towards other sources for Niner news. It is obvious that the basketball administration is in place for another season. If post after post of firing Major and the AD continue for a year I will be letting the door to this forum hit me in the backside right along with Pickman. As a graduate of 2000, I have seen good teams play for us and I was there when we beat Cinci and Lâville. Iâm not sure those days will return anytime soon, but I will continue to support the University because it is what I love even if I donât agree with what it always does. [/quote]
You two are out of touch with reality ⌠THIS NATION WAS FOUNDED ON PROTEST OF FAILING REGIMES ⌠see the Revolutionary War. The same people who fought against GB were the people who loved GB but were also STRONG enough not to continue to be HUMILIATED by GB.
Anything less would be a COWARD.
[quote=â9erken, post:35, topic:28709â]I doubt Woods and Dorn come here without some kind of extension. If Rose doesnât give Major anything and allows him to go into his last year with no extension beyond, then they would essentially be hurting the program in the future if they did end up deciding to extend him after this year by undermining his ability to recruit (this and future years too, since relationships need to start early for a program like ours). Complaining about the fact that an extension was given means you think they should have submarined Major when many signs were pointing to improvement. If you want them to do that, why not just fire him after the improved 3rd year and move on like most major programs would if they didnât want to extend?
That said, I certainly think you can argue about the length of the extension. However, as others have pointed out, this extension was much smarter than the one given to Lutz, and would not cost the university nearly as much as that crazy extension did if they decided to fire him this year or next.[/quote]
This is just not true. At the time he was given the extension (and ~ the same time those guys committed), he already had 2 more years remaining on his contract. At most, we could have given him a 1 year extension (absolutely NO REASON to give him 3 more years right then). No extension last year would only mean he would now (2014) be going into his final year on the original contract.
The language in the extension is far more important than the years
yes, exactly.
[quote=âninerID, post:47, topic:28709â]The language in the extension is far more important than the years[/quote]Agreed. AD constructed a more favorable extension this time around.
[quote=â919R, post:46, topic:28709â][quote=â9erken, post:35, topic:28709â]I doubt Woods and Dorn come here without some kind of extension. If Rose doesnât give Major anything and allows him to go into his last year with no extension beyond, then they would essentially be hurting the program in the future if they did end up deciding to extend him after this year by undermining his ability to recruit (this and future years too, since relationships need to start early for a program like ours). Complaining about the fact that an extension was given means you think they should have submarined Major when many signs were pointing to improvement. If you want them to do that, why not just fire him after the improved 3rd year and move on like most major programs would if they didnât want to extend?
That said, I certainly think you can argue about the length of the extension. However, as others have pointed out, this extension was much smarter than the one given to Lutz, and would not cost the university nearly as much as that crazy extension did if they decided to fire him this year or next.[/quote]
This is just not true. At the time he was given the extension (and ~ the same time those guys committed), he already had 2 more years remaining on his contract. At most, we could have given him a 1 year extension (absolutely NO REASON to give him 3 more years right then). No extension last year would only mean he would now (2014) be going into his final year on the original contract.[/quote]This.
How many of you would commit to a program (Coach) knowing he only had 2 years left on his deal? Better argument is the extension was 1 year too long. Good luck recruiting into lame duck scenario.
If the did 2 year deal, then it can easily be a 1 year addition each year if heâs successful.
Some real meat n potatoes hereâŚ
Who suggested extension?
Were more yrs tacked on to suggestion? Why?
Did any staff review? How was that taken into acct?
The cya and silence part of this has merit.
$58,000 a month into Judy and Major wallet plus Dubois healthy tax payer income
not a scenario to reject press
Judy has already lost all support from the fans on keeping Major, and no other school in the country would hire him as a head coach so why should he be coaching our team? Why should our fans suffer because Judy wants to try to justify her decision on an extension last year. We need new blood in the athletic department if this isnât settled very soon. Admit your mistake so that we can move on Judy or we might think that you are the mistake.
They should have rewarded a solid season with a 1 yr extension. He signed Willie and Clark with 3 yrs remaining so 1 year should have been enough. I can go along with 2 as well if need be. The ONLY reason the years matter to me is that Judy wonât can him unless she has worst case scenario covered. I donât disagree with that by the way. Her #1 job should be to maintain financial standing of the AD. That means she has to line up another quarter of a million. I agree 100% that we wouldnât lose all that, but she would want it covered just in case. I also think that putting that many years on a deal tells the coach you still have plenty of time, no sense of urgency. Also with fewer years on the contract she MIGHT be more willing to pull the plug. In the end she told me on the phone that they were basically prepared to take a step back this year.
If you want to make your head hurt though just start adding up the costs she has laid out - starting with Bobbyâs extension, the conference moves, Majorâs extension then start doing the math on the decreased ticket sales and potential impact to giving.
[quote=âmoss2k, post:51, topic:28709â]How many of you would commit to a program (Coach) knowing he only had 2 years left on his deal? Better argument is the extension was 1 year too long. Good luck recruiting into lame duck scenario.
If the did 2 year deal, then it can easily be a 1 year addition each year if heâs successful.[/quote]
You could do the same with a 1 year deal as well. Edit:âŚAgree with NWAâs post above this one.
[quote=â919R, post:55, topic:28709â][quote=âmoss2k, post:51, topic:28709â]How many of you would commit to a program (Coach) knowing he only had 2 years left on his deal? Better argument is the extension was 1 year too long. Good luck recruiting into lame duck scenario.
If the did 2 year deal, then it can easily be a 1 year addition each year if heâs successful.[/quote]
You could do the same with a 1 year deal as well. Edit:âŚAgree with NWAâs post above this one.[/quote]They could have done that, 3 years is obviously more favorable to a incoming recruit over 2.
[quote=â919R, post:46, topic:28709â][quote=â9erken, post:35, topic:28709â]I doubt Woods and Dorn come here without some kind of extension. If Rose doesnât give Major anything and allows him to go into his last year with no extension beyond, then they would essentially be hurting the program in the future if they did end up deciding to extend him after this year by undermining his ability to recruit (this and future years too, since relationships need to start early for a program like ours). Complaining about the fact that an extension was given means you think they should have submarined Major when many signs were pointing to improvement. If you want them to do that, why not just fire him after the improved 3rd year and move on like most major programs would if they didnât want to extend?
That said, I certainly think you can argue about the length of the extension. However, as others have pointed out, this extension was much smarter than the one given to Lutz, and would not cost the university nearly as much as that crazy extension did if they decided to fire him this year or next.[/quote]
This is just not true. At the time he was given the extension (and ~ the same time those guys committed), he already had 2 more years remaining on his contract. At most, we could have given him a 1 year extension (absolutely NO REASON to give him 3 more years right then). No extension last year would only mean he would now (2014) be going into his final year on the original contract.[/quote] What part is not true? You said right after this that we could have given him a 1 year extension. Thatâs what I meant by arguing about the length of the extension. If they had not given him any extension, it would hamstring his recruiting, particularly those recruits heâs trying to build a relationship with in future years. And with the way the deal is structured, it is likely to be a lot less costly to fire him than it was to fire Lutz. I think 2 more years is reasonable.
If this program wants to act at all like a major program, you give an extension to coaches when you donât want to fire them right away and they are nearing the end of their deal. This is not at all unreasonable.
[quote=âmetro, post:36, topic:28709â]So at the end of the day, future inmates run the asylum
Got it[/quote]If this is in response to me, then no, you did not get it at all. Completely whiffed on it.
Feels like everyone involved except players place all this ridiculous emphasis on job security having anything to do with recruiting. Is it relevant? Probably. Is it worth throwing ridiculously long extensions at people after absolutely nothing has been proven?
Itâs not rhethorical.