your leader doesnât have to be the best player on the court. It could be whoever is more vocal, intense, whatever⌠dropping 40 doesnât make you a leader, and I think we have a couple guys who emotionally and vocally could step up. Mack is pretty vocal with people as well as supportive, and so is Ian. Iâm not saying these are the guys but both could step into that role.
[QUOTE=metro;297153]only thing I wish to attack is your spacebar use.
I donât disagree the end of the rope is near. I just know that we were awful last year. We revamped. Next year- is the year. We were only picked 10th by our peers this year. (guess what- they know more than us).
the problem with alot of fans is the Wake and Clemson games upped your expectations. We are not a bad team. Every game is close, and last year we were getting smoked every night it seemed. I donât mind a 18 win season this year, its rebuilding. [B]Next year, 18 wins definately gets you fired.[/B][/QUOTE]
No offense taken here Metro.I just think deep down that the people who always say weâll be better next year,will be saying it again next yearâŚand on and on.Fact is,if Bobby gets(or has already gotten) the extension,weâre tied to him for a bunch more years.And I think thatâll end up hurting us more than this supposed âno contract extensionâ time.I think for a lot of usâŚbeing consistently mediocre is worse than a few very good years and than rebuilding years.
Sorry to follow myself,but just wanted to add that I think(for those that always complain that we donât have the resources)âŚthat earning $400k or so and not having gotten past game 1 in the NCAA tourney in about 10 years is pretty fair compensation.Some might even call it generous!
[QUOTE=scollie41;297081]What is the over/under on how many coaches we have over the next 10 years if Lutz leaves or is fired? I say at least 3 in 10 years. We either hire a coach that struggles and leaves/gets fired or someone that takes what we have and pushes the program into the sweet 16 or a similar level of success for a few years and leaves for a BCS job.[/QUOTE]
I would not be unhappy with 3 or 4 coaches in the next 10 years, if that meant sweet sixteens and better.
I am curious; Does anyone on this board think that Coach Lutz would stay here if he recieved an offer from a BCS school?
I would not be unhappy with 3 or 4 coaches in the next 10 years, if that meant sweet sixteens and better.I am curious; Does anyone on this board think that Coach Lutz would stay here if he recieved an offer from a BCS school?
Donât wanna go there! I donât want to think about it. Already got scared by S. Al. and Tn!
Okay! Heâd leave!
Hec! Iâd leave!
This is very odd. Metro has finally come out of his pessimism cave, and [U]now[/U] everybody thinks he should get back in. What is happening?!?
This is very odd. Metro has finally come out of his pessimism cave, and [U]now[/U] everybody thinks he should get back in. What is happening?!?
Go Metro:49ers:
ive never been on either side of the fire lutz/give him an extension argument but lets look at the facts. this is a what have you done for me lately. we have won one game since 2001. what school would say that merits an extension. lets look at some of the other schools that have won at least one tourny game since 2001. im starting to think that a change is necessary. maybe that change should be moxley or cheeks as head coach.
This is very odd. Metro has finally come out of his pessimism cave, and [U]now[/U] everybody thinks he should get back in. What is happening?!?I don't think he should get back in. He's making a strong argument imo.
This is a tough time to be discussing this during a losing streak (not counting SBU). Neither is it better to discuss during a winning streak (say, after the Clemson game when many were so excited). I agree with those who say Lutz has done a better job this year, improving defense (never thought Iâd see that), team energy, and attitudes. At the beginning of the season, many of us (including me) expected the team to be up and down due to youth. Thatâs exactly whatâs happened. Close is no cigar, but it is a marked difference between last year and this year how we are losing games (no blowouts). Iâve yet to see us be completely outclassed. In particular, look how many fans say their team played poorly against us (but in fact we made them look bad). We went 2-2 vs the ACC, when I was expecting 1-3 or even 0-4 this year. After we beat Wake, everyone said theyâd be the worst team in the ACCâŚand in fact theyâre doing ok. And Maryland is better than we thought too.
That said, there are disturbing patterns that come up every year with Lutz and his favored type of offense. Heavy reliance on the 3 breeds inconsistency and losses to crappy teams when weâre cold. Players often have had poor shot selection (but at least it has been marginally better than last year). The D is very good, but the offense does tend to hurt our D. And we do seem to be struggling towards the end of the season, which is likely in part due to other teams figuring our offense out.
The jump up to D-1 play is tremendous, and many guys struggle with this until they build strength, learn to concentrate in pressure cookers, and gain endurance needed for a full schedule of intense play. So saying what our players can do now is the same as what weâll have the next few years is simply unlikely. At least some of the guys will improve, and it may even be ones we donât expect (e.g. no oneâs mentioned Gaby yet, right?). There are a lot of teams out there who are improving, but very few of them have the kind of inexperience we have (in fact we might be the least experienced team in america right now). That will change in the coming years. I also wonder if whoever said the guys are not handling pressure well is right. We get extremely tight at the end of games, which also comes back to experience and to Lutzâ situation. I think Lutz is probably a good coach here, thereâs a chance we could find a better coach for the same money, but itâs a huge risk and odds are we wonât find someone better.
In my perfect world, weâd extend Lutz, but only on the condition that he revamps his offense (which I hate, but not sure itâs enough to want someone else, who I may dislike for other reasons). But thatâs just my Joe Schmo opinion.
If you think that guys are tight at the end of games because of Lutzâ situationâŚiâve got some land in Jersey iâd like to sell you.You really think when theyâre at the free throw line with 2 minutes to go theyâre thinking âI hope this goes in for coachsâ sake?â
This is very odd. Metro has finally come out of his pessimism cave, and [U]now[/U] everybody thinks he should get back in. What is happening?!?I was pessimistic one night this year, when we beat FD by 6. I did not like it. Overall I'm just a realist, and I've played and watched enough sports in my life to know you don't turn it around in one season, but you can get it headed in the right direction.
If you think that guys are tight at the end of games because of Lutz' situation...i've got some land in Jersey i'd like to sell you.You really think when they're at the free throw line with 2 minutes to go they're thinking "I hope this goes in for coachs' sake?"Is it beachfront? :)
No, mostly I think theyâre trying to win the game and are inexperienced with the pressure at the college level. I also donât think theyâre actually thinking about it. I do think it adds to the general pressure they probably feel to win. But yeah, weâd probably be tight at the end of games anyway with such a young team.
[QUOTE=9erken;297231]I donât think he should get back in. Heâs making a strong argument imo.
This is a tough time to be discussing this during a losing streak (not counting SBU). Neither is it better to discuss during a winning streak (say, after the Clemson game when many were so excited). I agree with those who say Lutz has done a better job this year, improving defense (never thought Iâd see that), team energy, and attitudes. At the beginning of the season, many of us (including me) expected the team to be up and down due to youth. Thatâs exactly whatâs happened. Close is no cigar, but it is a marked difference between last year and this year how we are losing games (no blowouts). Iâve yet to see us be completely outclassed. In particular, look how many fans say their team played poorly against us (but in fact we made them look bad). We went 2-2 vs the ACC, when I was expecting 1-3 or even 0-4 this year. After we beat Wake, everyone said theyâd be the worst team in the ACCâŚand in fact theyâre doing ok. And Maryland is better than we thought too. [/QUOTE]
Agreed, this year is an improvement from that. However the totals in Wins and losses arenât much better then what I expected. But there have been no real blowouts this year and weâve generally been in every game weâve played.
[QUOTE]That said, there are disturbing patterns that come up every year with Lutz and his favored type of offense. Heavy reliance on the 3 breeds inconsistency and losses to crappy teams when weâre cold. Players often have had poor shot selection (but at least it has been marginally better than last year). The D is very good, but the offense does tend to hurt our D. And we do seem to be struggling towards the end of the season, which is likely in part due to other teams figuring our offense out. [/QUOTE]
This is the key reason I am very unsure about keeping Bobby. No matter what the team, itâs similar problems year in and year out with a mid-to late season collapse. I donât personally believe thatâs suddenly going to change with him here.
[QUOTE]The jump up to D-1 play is tremendous, and many guys struggle with this until they build strength, learn to concentrate in pressure cookers, and gain endurance needed for a full schedule of intense play. So saying what our players can do now is the same as what weâll have the next few years is simply unlikely. [/QUOTE]
I will agree with you in part. When you recruit JUCO players, if they donât get it pretty soon, time tends to run out on them and itâs a bust. We do have some players this year unlike years past who seem to understand the game.
[QUOTE]In my perfect world, weâd extend Lutz, but only on the condition that he revamps his offense (which I hate, but not sure itâs enough to want someone else, who I may dislike for other reasons). But thatâs just my Joe Schmo opinion.[/QUOTE]
Make that two of us. I have been waiting for years and years for Bobby to develop a system that relies a little less on the 3. I am convinced that it will never change and itâs a system that he believes in. Itâs a great system when the shooter is on (Plavich at Syracuse) but when they go cold, itâs a nightmare and sometimes embarrassing. Bobbyâs a very likeable guy, but I am not convinced heâs the best for us long term. I am tired of being told after every year âJust wait, we have this recruit coming in and heâs going toâŚâ