That was not all because of defense. They were hitting ridiculous shots and I think even banked in a three at one point. When a team is hot, even the greatest defense will struggle.
the Richmond game first half was silly. They were covered and smothered on D and every shot dropped (like you said a 3 pointer banked in). And they did not shoot 85% in the first half. Eason stole that stat from me. I got a stat sheet that game at half, and had posted a couple weeks ago, âwith 5 minutes remaining in the half, they were shooting 85%â but they ended up missing some at the end and brought it down to 70%" I believe.
our defense is awesome. It held Xavier to 62 points. Its impossible to agrue that.
[QUOTE=metro;297153]only thing I wish to attack is your spacebar use.
I donât disagree the end of the rope is near. I just know that we were awful last year. We revamped. Next year- is the year. We were only picked 10th by our peers this year. (guess what- they know more than us).
the problem with alot of fans is the Wake and Clemson games upped your expectations. We are not a bad team. Every game is close, and last year we were getting smoked every night it seemed. I donât mind a 18 win season this year, its rebuilding. [B]Next year, 18 wins definately gets you fired.[/B][/QUOTE]
Wanna bet? If we finish with 18 wins next year, Bobby stays. Why? Cause chances are he was just signed to a 4-6 year extension and the school will not want to buy it out. Bobbyâs here to stay for a long time. Lets hope for more balanced offense next year and the year after and a trip back to the NCAA tournament. But if he doesnât, I doubt he gets fired still. I think you would need back to back years of sub .500 ball for him to get fired or severe recruiting scandal.
the Richmond game first half was silly. They were covered and smothered on D and every shot dropped (like you said a 3 pointer banked in). And they did not shoot 85% in the first half. Eason stole that stat from me. I got a stat sheet that game at half, and had posted a couple weeks ago, "with 5 minutes remaining in the half, they were shooting 85%" but they ended up missing some at the end and brought it down to 70%" I believe.
our defense is awesome. It held Xavier to 62 points. Its impossible to agrue that.
Unlike yourself, Iâve attended every game this year. I sat directly behind the stats people. I could see the computer that printed the stat sheet you got. I heard the man behind the computer talk to the time keeper and tell him in shock and awe how Richmond was shooting 85%.
We may have held Xavier to 62, but we also gave up 83 to St Bonaventure. We also gave up 78 to La Salle. I believe you are one of many that think they both should be kicked out of the A10.
Unlike yourself, I've attended every game this year. I sat directly behind the stats people. I could see the computer that printed the stat sheet you got. I heard the man behind the computer talk to the time keeper and tell him in shock and awe how Richmond was shooting 85%.
We may have held Xavier to 62, but we also gave up 83 to St Bonaventure. We also gave up 78 to La Salle. I believe you are one of many that think they both should be kicked out of the A10.
hey douchebag (I think all would agree), you are sounding like Dr Phil now. Donât criticize the alum with a life for attending 10 games so far. I can gaurantee you it wasnât 85% btw. I remember reading the damn thing.
youâre a troll with no historical perspective. Look past last week- or next week.
seriously, talk to some people who know sports or know whats going on in the bowels of Halton. Youâre lost. Lost people should not be so freaking loud.
Its not easy to win NCAA games. Look what happened to Gutheridge, Matt Doherty at UNC, Dave Odom at USC, UVA, Sendek and State, UGA, Old Miss, FSU, Miami, âŚall schools with more resources than us and have struggled. Even Memphis sucked a few years ago. Va Tech, Cincy⌠How you think UL felt when we wore them out for almost a decade? Cycles happen.
btw, its cool if you are anti Lutz, you just donât know how to go about it.
[QUOTE=eason49;297166]Unlike yourself, Iâve attended every game this year. I sat directly behind the stats people. I could see the computer that printed the stat sheet you got. I heard the man behind the computer talk to the time keeper and tell him in shock and awe how Richmond was shooting 85%.[/QUOTE]
Richmond shot 65% in the first half.
hey douchebag (I think all would agree), you are sounding like Dr Phil now. Don't criticize the alum with a life for attending 10 games so far. I can gaurantee you it wasn't 85% btw. I remember reading the damn thing.
youâre a troll with no historical perspective. Look past last week- or next week.
seriously, talk to some people who know sports or know whats going on in the bowels of Halton. Youâre lost. Lost people should not be so freaking loud.
Its not easy to win NCAA games. Look what happened to Gutheridge, Matt Doherty at UNC, Dave Odom at USC, UVA, Sendek and State, UGA, Old Miss, FSU, Miami, âŚall schools with more resources than us and have struggled. Even Memphis sucked a few years ago. Va Tech, Cincy⌠How you think UL felt when we wore them out for almost a decade? Cycles happen.
btw, its cool if you are anti Lutz, you just donât know how to go about it.
Do you even have any clue what weâre arguing here?
I said weâd struggle without Leemire. You were like nuh uh, you dont know anything about sports. I was like, weâll be without our emotional and performance leader, and itâs unlikely weâll perform better. Now youâre saying I donât think programs should have down years. Do you just respond with whatever random attack you can think of?
I guess maybe youâre attacking my saying we shouldnât lose to Fordham, Monmouth, and Hofstra. Newsflash: Youâve said the same thing. How many times have you said âWE HAVE TO PERFORM UP TO OUR RESOURCES BLAHBLBHALBHAHâ. Make up your mind.
Unlike yourself, I've attended every game this year. I sat directly behind the stats people. I could see the computer that printed the stat sheet you got. I heard the man behind the computer talk to the time keeper and tell him in shock and awe how Richmond was shooting 85%.
We may have held Xavier to 62, but we also gave up 83 to St Bonaventure. We also gave up 78 to La Salle. I believe you are one of many that think they both should be kicked out of the A10.
Wasnât the SBU game the one where the ref came over to the A10 Evaluator and asked if Bobby Lutz was bothering him? This was while Jim Utter was sitting right beside him? I seem to think we have to beat not only the opponents we play, but we also have to beat the refs. They did a good job of beating the refs that night.
La Salle has the only National Championship in the league. And, SBU has had a few days in the sun leading the league, before we came along. Folks donât give the A10 enough respect. And, that might be another reason we lose, if the team has exposure to that lack of respect.
A10 is our home. Donât tear down your own home. Where we gonna go, then? Itâs better than you think.
Do you even have any clue what we're arguing here?
I said weâd struggle without Leemire. You were like nuh uh, you dont know anything about sports. I was like, weâll be without our emotional and performance leader, and itâs unlikely weâll perform better. Now youâre saying I donât think programs should have down years. Do you just respond with whatever random attack you can think of?
I guess maybe youâre attacking my saying we shouldnât lose to Fordham, Monmouth, and Hofstra. Newsflash: Youâve said the same thing. How many times have you said âWE HAVE TO PERFORM UP TO OUR RESOURCES BLAHBLBHALBHAHâ. Make up your mind.
so the hell what? teams move onâŚfind new leaders. People step up and lead when the position opens. Lee filled it well, there were many before him, there will be many after.
Wasn't the SBU game the one where the ref came over to the A10 Evaluator and asked if Bobby Lutz was bothering him? This was while Jim Utter was sitting right beside him? I seem to think we have to beat not only the opponents we play, but we also have to beat the refs. They did a good job of beating the refs that night.
La Salle has the only National Championship in the league. And, SBU has had a few days in the sun leading the league, before we came along. Folks donât give the A10 enough respect. And, that might be another reason we lose, if the team has exposure to that lack of respect. A10 is our home. Donât tear down your own home. Where we gonna go, then? Itâs better than you think.
I believe that was the La Salle game, but youâre right that the refs donât seem to respect us, and that it does feel like we need to win by 20 just to make up for the points weâll get jipped.
so the hell what? teams move on....find new leaders. People step up and lead when the position opens. Lee filled it well, there were many before him, there will be many after.
Who on the roster do you think is capable of making up for the loss of Leemire? The "down years" you speak of usually come after losses of players like Leemire.
Who on the roster do you think is capable of making up for the loss of Leemire? The "down years" you speak of usually come after losses of players like Leemire.
it doesnât matter broâŚplayers get better. Personally I think we can be like Xavier is now with 5 people averaging 10 pts. (Mack, Gerrity, Anjuan, Dew, Coley)
[QUOTE=Charlotte2002;297178]Richmond shot 65% in the first half that game, 35% in the second half.
We also forced 22 turnovers.
We shot 35% for the game including 1-23 for 3 and missed 13 free throws, we lost because of offense, not defense.[/QUOTE]
This has been the case in most of our losses this year.
Never would have thought it, but itâs where weâre at. This losing streak has everything to do with the offensive funk weâve been in. Either Lee & Mack have been ice cold, or weâre getting bupkus from Wilderness & Dewhurst, etc.
If we can get the offense to click again, we could actually win some games and maybe make the postseason.
Another very telling stat: our longest winning streak is 3 games. Thatâs probably true for the last several years. You donât win conference tournaments (so forget Atlantic City) or make deep runs if you canât strap together some Wâs.
[QUOTE=eason49;297186]I believe that was the La Salle game, but youâre right that the refs donât seem to respect us, and that it does feel like we need to win by 20 just to make up for the points weâll get jipped.
Who on the roster do you think is capable of making up for the loss of Leemire? The âdown yearsâ you speak of usually come after losses of players like Leemire.[/QUOTE]
Weâre still in the down years from losing Eddie Basden.
We have Coley, Gerrity, and Harris. All three are capable leaders of this team.
[QUOTE=CLoudNiner;297183]La Salle has the only National Championship in the league. And, SBU has had a few days in the sun leading the league, before we came along. [/QUOTE]
Cloud, I agree that the A-10 is better than most people think, though it certainly took a dive after the Elite 8 runs of St. Joeâs and Xavier back in 2004. Good to see it finally getting back up there this season.
FWIW, while itâs true that La Salle has the only NCAA championship among the A-10 membership, but that came long before there was an A-10. Xavier also has one in the NIT when that was still a very prestigious title to get.
SBU has never led the league, though it did have some really shining moments back in the 1970s and did produce NBA legend Bob Lanier. Bona alum Jim Baron had the Bonnies respectable during his tenure there, but the Weldergate scandal that came after his departure for URI and the subsequent mess left by Anthony Solomon means that one-time Xavier assistant Mark Schmidt really has his work cut out for him in Olean.
When youâre talking A-10 hoops in its heydey, then that would be the UMass teams of John Calipari (yes, I know Dr. J played at UMass, but that was a ways back) and the Temple teams of John Chaney.
Anyway, hopefully the Niners will be a positive in the leagueâs renaissance, but we still have some work to do before we can say weâre the leader. Right now that title belongs to Xavier.
[QUOTE=metro;297190]it doesnât matter broâŚplayers get better. Personally I think we can be like Xavier is now with 5 people averaging 10 pts. (Mack, Gerrity, Anjuan, Dew, Coley)[/QUOTE]
I hope Lutz adjusts his systems to allow for this. Over the past 4 years (or so) our offense has depended one 1 guy taking a ton of shots, with Mack, Gerrity, Anjuan, Dew, Coley we have the ability to spread the scoring around, but none of which fit the system of running multiple screens for a 3. Mack is the only 3 point shooter on the list, but is a better spot up, kick out shooter than coming off screens. Having Bowden fill in for Leemire right away is asking a lot, we are not talking about a McDonaldâs All-American here.
The Xavier route is the best way to go, we were somewhat able to do that in 04-05 with Basden, Plavich and Withers, and that was the most success we have had in years and it only got us a 7 seed and a 1st round exit. There may be more to that than just playing basketball, but nonetheless that was the result.
I sometimes think Lutz has done all he can do with Charlotte and he may be able to do more somewhere else (higher level that is), but I donât think he can fully get the players he wants/ needs nowadays.
Now if Beasley were here and we were #17 in the nation, this thread wouldnât even exist, but that is how it has gone with Lutz and just missing out of players that could bring us to the next level. Xavier isnât having this problem, that is why they are #10 in the nation and are a potential Elite 8 team.
[QUOTE=scollie41;297081]What is the over/under on how many coaches we have over the next 10 years if Lutz leaves or is fired? I say at least 3 in 10 years. We either hire a coach that struggles and leaves/gets fired or someone that takes what we have and pushes the program into the sweet 16 or a similar level of success for a few years and leaves for a BCS job.[/QUOTE]
I couldnât agree moreâŚweâll either suck for the following 10 years, averaging 5-6 wins a season or continuously lose good young coaching talent for the coin the Dubois ainât willing to payâŚthat jackass!
[QUOTE=MKNiner;297106]This sums up my view as well.
I still hate the fact that we canât close out games and we still take dumb shots from time to time. Having said that our improvements far outweigh our weaknesses at this point.
This team has improved in the ways I wanted to see it for this year. Next year I expect top 3 in A-10 and an NCAA birth.[/QUOTE]
The Monmouth and Hofstra games meant very little IMO b/c we had 4 new starters and 8 new players in all. I knew we had âpotentialâ and there was a learning curve. However I have been frustrated the last 4-5 games. Not with our teamwork or intensity, but rather with the playerâs ability to focus at the end of games and close things out. Obviously we are coached well b/c we typically put together 35 minutes of solid basketball. It looks to me like the players lose confidence down the stretch (at the FT line, on defense and with shot selection). Itâs become more of a mental thing at this point. We need to win a couple close games down the stretch
SBU has never led the league, though it did have some really shining moments back in the 1970s and did produce NBA legend Bob Lanier. Bona alum Jim Baron had the Bonnies respectable during his tenure there, but the Weldergate scandal that came after his departure for URI and the subsequent mess left by Anthony Solomon means that one-time Xavier assistant Mark Schmidt really has his work cut out for him in Olean.
I stand corrected. Poor assumption!
Anyway, hopefully the Niners will be a positive in the league's renaissance, but we still have some work to do before we can say we're the leader. Right now that title belongs to Xavier.
I just donât understand how anyone can say others who were here first âdonât belong.â
And, that might be another reason we lose, if the team has exposure to that lack of respect.