Itâs slow so and with the pending decision on football, I donât know if this has been mentioned but with football looking very likely and Big South being recommended as a first destination what do you think is going to be realistic after those days are over.
If the Big East splits for only football with the remaining teams:
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Louisville
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
South Florida
Syracuse
West Virginia
Then they would need to add four teamsâŚwho would the candidates be?
Notre Dame as full members in footballâŚmight never happen, but a possibility.
Memphis⌠also for basketball as well as location.
UCFâŚadd another Florida school which is making great strides in facilities and support, with Florida obviously being huge for football.
CharlotteâŚhopefully we can make the move.
Other candidates especially if Notre Dame doesnât make the jump.
Georgia StateâŚget into the ACC and SEC market with Atlanta being a hotbed.
ECUâŚestablished football program in the heart of ACC.
If the Big East doesnât split then what about a hybrid conference like this:
Memphis
ECU
Charlotte
Georgia State
U Central Florida
Florida International U
Southern Miss
UAB
Louisiana Tech
Tulane
Western Kentucky
Marshall
Decent conference in football, but would struggle a bit in basketball.
If we donât get a Big East invite then CUSA is our best option. The eastern schools would love to shift the conference back that way. A new conference would need time to get bowl games. Just look at the Sunbelt, you have to win the conference to make the post season.
The Big10 (11 teams) will look to add a 12th team at the next shakeup. Most likely they take a team from the Big East or take a shot at Notre Dame. However, i donât think Notre Dame is going anywhere.
I donât know where you heard the Big South is where we would go, Iâd prefer SoCon, but the Big South would give us 5 games, and the ability to schedule whoever else with the remaining 6 games or so.
Long run Iâd like to see the Big East try to get 12.
Currently it is:
Pitt
[I][B]Rutgers[/B][/I]
USF
UCONN
[I][B]WVU[/B][/I]
Louisville
Cincy
[I][B]Syracuse[/B][/I]
One of the teams in bold-italics is who I think would join the Big 10. If I had to guess it would be Syracuse. Either way that leaves 7, so they would need to pick up 5. Now, having 12 teams is important, but important 4 years ago, with thoughts on the future, the Big East will need to have television markets, as I believe most conferences will begin their own sports networks as a way to separate themselves. that saidâŚ
orlando/ucf is obvious.
Memphis will be hard to turn down
3 and 4) East Carolina would deserve it more than us, but based on TV market, Charlotte would be in a better position. My thoughts, if the Big East wants to stick it to the ACC, take both of us.
Then it gets tricky. Georgia State has no chance. I understand the atlanta market thing but they are way worse off than we are as far as following goes, and their large programs are in the vicinity of campus (UGA and GT) not 2.5 hours away.
Would the Big East try to get Boston College back, or is that bad blood?
If we are serious about football, serious about Division 1A, serious about being succesful, the Big East isnât that much of a longshot in my eyes.
I listed to an interview with the Big East commissioner a couple months ago. He responded to a question about the future of the conference by saying, âWell, weâre always looking for a ninth football team.â The commissioner was then asked who a candidate might be - and the commish said that there werenât any good candidates, yet. He said that a quality school that can sell out its games and is in a large tv market would be a good candidate - but none of the schools that are âbeggingâ to get in the Big East fit the bill. He said that he has no intention of helping out any school - he wants a school that will help out the conference.
Why would the Big East need to add four more teams, post-split? They donât seem to want the schools that are available right now.
Sat next to a AD Assistant from a major university on an flight recently. He had heard that the next conference move would be from the Big10 and it would set other moves in motion. The Big 10 takes Iowa State, The Big 12 respondes by taking Arkansas from the SEC and the SEC goes after an ACC team. I thought it sounded far-fetched but he stated it was going to happen. Not sure what that does to the Big East and if it opens up anything. Hell maybe he was just messing with me after a long day and a few drinksâŚ
Right now the number of FBS teams is frozen. So start thinking FCS first off. It would be highly convient if the restriction was limited before or around the time Charlotte would add football.
Personally, I think a few years at the FCS level would be good for the program in general. Get a solid alumni base for contribution and get a fan base built up that will follow to FBS. I am not saying decades but something like USF did (I believe they were in the FCS division for 4 years).
[QUOTE=Jackrabbit49er;279654]Right now the number of FBS teams is frozen. So start thinking FCS first off. It would be highly convient if the restriction was limited before or around the time Charlotte would add football.
Personally, I think a few years at the FCS level would be good for the program in general. Get a solid alumni base for contribution and get a fan base built up that will follow to FBS. I am not saying decades but something like USF did (I believe they were in the FCS division for 4 years).[/QUOTE]
NCAA rules require us to stay at FCS for 4 years anyway. The moritorium will end in 2011. Thats a year before we plan to even field a team. We can move to FBS as soon as 2016 if we start in 2012.
[QUOTE=amnesiac;279652]Probably CUSA or [B][SIZE=5]Sun Belt[/SIZE][/B]. History repeats itself, but both conferences can offer immediate tv visibility and bowl bids.[/QUOTE]
Iâd rather be independent, we would have a better chance to get a bowl game.
[QUOTE=4DNiner;279649]Sat next to a AD Assistant from a major university on an flight recently. He had heard that the next conference move would be from the Big10 and it would set other moves in motion. The Big 10 takes Iowa State, The Big 12 respondes by taking Arkansas from the SEC and the SEC goes after an ACC team. I thought it sounded far-fetched but he stated it was going to happen. Not sure what that does to the Big East and if it opens up anything. Hell maybe he was just messing with me after a long day and a few drinksâŚ[/QUOTE]
It would be far simpler for the Big 10 to take Iowa State (rival Iowa is in the conference) and the Big 12 responds by taking Memphis (big market team on the Arkansas border).
The next time moves are made, major shifts, the BCS leagues will have already convinced the NCAA to change the rule requiring 12 teams for a football championship. Everyone knows that is where the money is, a football championship game, and they will convince the NCAA to lower the number to eight so that everyone can have a piece of the pie and these leagues can stop growing. And then the Big East would be able to stay at just eight teams for football.
I canât figure out that in 10-15 years of title games the Big 10 has refused to pick up 1 to get the $, & the Pac 10 has refused to pick up 2.
I think the Big 10âs one should be ND, Syracuse, ECU, UCF, FAU, Marshall, Memphis, Cincy, or the 'Ville.
I think the Pac 10âs 2 should be Hawaii, Fresno St., Boise St., Byu, Utah, or Tcu. Put in Hawaii, & every other year you get an extra game to start early, & your fans get an extra âbowlâ game.
[QUOTE=4DNiner;279649]Sat next to a AD Assistant from a major university on an flight recently. He had heard that the next conference move would be from the Big10 and it would set other moves in motion. The Big 10 takes Iowa State, The Big 12 respondes by taking Arkansas from the SEC and the SEC goes after an ACC team. I thought it sounded far-fetched but he stated it was going to happen. Not sure what that does to the Big East and if it opens up anything. Hell maybe he was just messing with me after a long day and a few drinksâŚ[/QUOTE]
Why would ANY school want to leave the SEC to join the Big 12? I can see an ACC school jumping to the SEC, especially Clemson, Ga Tech, or FSU. Are you sure this guy was really an AD âAssistantâ?
And I donât even know how to respond to SCKâs âFAU vs UCFâ for Big 10 Championship post. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Over40NINER;279761]Why would ANY school want to leave the SEC to join the Big 12? I can see an ACC school jumping to the SEC, especially Clemson, Ga Tech, or FSU. Are you sure this guy was really an AD âAssistantâ?
And I donât even know how to respond to SCKâs âFAU vs UCFâ for Big 10 Championship post. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Arkansas was part of the SWC before it became a member of the SEC, so it has stronger ties to the Big 12 region than the SEC historically.
If the Big 10 adds Notre Dame, the shifting would be minimal. I truly believe this is what is going to happen.
Notre Dame canât be what they think they should be as an independent in the current BCS system. Their schedule is usually one of the toughest in the NCAA, while Big 10 schools have some of the weakest schedules in the NCAA. Notre Dame has to get over their holier than thou attitude. In the past they had little competition for players, now every team is on TV.
An indepenent team hasnât won a title since the 80s, and when that happened the independent teams were West Virginia, Notre Dame, Penn State, etc. Now they are Notre Dame, Navy, Army & Western KentuckyâŚ
Notre Dame doesnât have to get over anything as long as there is a major network willing to pay several million for their product, and ND has SO MANY fans that even when they suck NBC still gets good ratings. ND will have to suck for some time in order for NBC to drop them. The worst thing that could happen to ND is if NBC got a deal to play OTHER college games, but ABC(ESPN),FOX,CBS has that on lock right now. So NBC pays ND money and ND stays independent, they would be smart to pad their schedule a little better though.
The Big 10 and their commissioner are among the most vocal opponents of a college playoff and of having a conference championship game. If they did add a 12th team they might even choose not to have a championship game ( no rule says they have too). Its worked out well for them so far. Ohio St wasnât penalized in the least bit because they sat on their a55e5 for the final 2 weeks of the season. Unless ND magically falls into their laps the Big 10 is fine and happy with 11. That goes double for the Pac 10 who has even less love for a playoff and conference championship games.
Arkansas might well like to go back with their old SWC friends in the Big 12, but moneywise they would probably be fine with staying in the SEC. The bigger falacy is why would the Big 10 ever want Iowa St? Iowa St. is neither a football, basketball or baseball power. They are not a superior academic institution that helps the conferences reputation. The Big 10 would rather the U of Chicago move back to DI-A and rejoin them then have Iowa St. This is a lot like West Virginia, Mempiss and Houston fans speculating about getting into the SEC, NEVER!
The SEC turned down Miami and FSU in 1990. Georgia Tech left the SEC and will not ever be invited back. Clemson would be the most likely ACC team to be targeted by an Arkansasless SEC but why go from being a #3 ACC team to a #7 SEC, moneyâs not that much better right now?
[QUOTE=49RFootballNow;279658]NCAA rules require us to stay at FCS for 4 years anyway. The moratorium will end in 2011. Thats a year before we plan to even field a team. We can move to FBS as soon as 2016 if we start in 2012.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for doing the research. I figured there was a requirement to stay in the FCS but didnât think it was 4 years. Thought it would be shorter.
The Big 10 wonât go past Penn State for expansion. There is enough complaints about the travel out there. ND has been on their radar since the addition of the Nittany Lions. I will have to say if the Big 10 waits long enough NDSU looks like a solid addition (I have bias NSDU is former NCC and a big rival of SDSU). They have a rich tradition and a good base. Plus they are within the âtraditionalâ area of the Big 10. The other option I see is sweet talking UNI to the FBS.
Hopefully, I havenât hijacked this thread. Great topic.
[QUOTE=Jackrabbit49er;279780]Thanks for doing the research. I figured there was a requirement to stay in the FCS but didnât think it was 4 years. Thought it would be shorter.[/QUOTE]
We would have to use the last year (year 4) as a transistional year where at least half our games would have to be against FBS teams, I believe we can also choose to use year 3 as transistional aswell.
[QUOTE=Jackrabbit49er;279780]The Big 10 wonât go past Penn State for expansion. There is enough complaints about the travel out there. ND has been on their radar since the addition of the Nittany Lions. I will have to say if the Big 10 waits long enough NDSU looks like a solid addition (I have bias NSDU is former NCC and a big rival of SDSU). They have a rich tradition and a good base. Plus they are within the âtraditionalâ area of the Big 10. The other option I see is sweet talking UNI to the FBS.
Hopefully, I havenât hijacked this thread. Great topic.[/QUOTE]
While I can sympathize with your loyalty to NDSU they are not even on the radar and neither is UNI or any mid-major or for that matter any BCS school other then ND. The Big 10 likes to play-up their academic integreity and only NDâs superior football tradition or U of Chicagoâs academics would be worthy of their notice. The Big 10 is more likely to poach the Ivy League then the Big East, Big 12, SEC or ACC.
While I can sympathize with your loyalty to NDSU they are not even on the radar and neither is UNI or any mid-major or for that matter any BCS school other then ND. The Big 10 likes to play-up their academic integreity and only ND's superior football tradition or U of Chicago's academics would be worthy of their notice. The Big 10 is more likely to poach the Ivy League then the Big East, Big 12, SEC or ACC.
yeah Syracuse is such a joke of a school.
I wonder why people donât talk about the Big10 grabbing Kentucky? Maybe I am way out of line, but the rivalry with Indiana, geography, and basketball heritage would make sense.
Ironic. We were a charter member of the Sun Belt Conference in 1976-77. A conference formed with schools without football in order to showcase their basketball and provide an automatic NCAA bid for the conference tourney champs. Now the SBC has football and teams going to bowls and weâre just now making a serious move toward getting football by 2012. Ironic, indeed.