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[quote=“donkeyjaws, post:81, topic:29033”][quote=“Niner_Alum_2000, post:80, topic:29033”][quote=“J Felt, post:79, topic:29033”]Grobe redshirted nearly every freshman. Lambert will likely be the same way. We’re only seeing freshman play out of necessity right now.

Just get used to it.[/quote]

If I recall correctly, Wake lost some of the better recruits because of that philosophy.[/quote]

They also won the ACC and went to the Orange Bowl with it[/quote]

That is 1 year out of 13 at Wake where they only went to 5 bowls. However, this is not a debate about Wake’s accomplishments, but about recruiting. It will be hard to convince good players to redshirt when they can do so at a bigger school. I think we would be better served getting guys who would redshirt at an SEC or ACC school because they can play right away with us. That said, I am not a coach or recruiter so what the hell do I know except that this is a forum and we all have opinions :confused:

"Florida State’s soon-to-retire coach, Bobby Bowden, who lost three in a row to Wake from 2006 to 2008, is more succinct. "Our kids won’t do it. They pitch an absolute screaming fit over it. A lot of that is ego, and they think they’re all going to the NFL in two years. They don’t want to hear it when we tell them, ‘Son, you’re not as good as you think you are. Not yet anyway.’ “”

When on the hot seat, he knew he had to abandon that philosophy. It was too late though

http://acc.blogs.starnewsonline.com/37347/grobe-changes-redshirting-philosophy-in-an-effort-to-get-wakes-best-players-on-the-field/

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If we are getting even SEC redshirt talent here then I agree.

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[quote=“Niner_Alum_2000, post:101, topic:29033”][quote=“donkeyjaws, post:81, topic:29033”][quote=“Niner_Alum_2000, post:80, topic:29033”][quote=“J Felt, post:79, topic:29033”]Grobe redshirted nearly every freshman. Lambert will likely be the same way. We’re only seeing freshman play out of necessity right now.

Just get used to it.[/quote]

If I recall correctly, Wake lost some of the better recruits because of that philosophy.[/quote]

They also won the ACC and went to the Orange Bowl with it[/quote]

That is 1 year out of 13 at Wake where they only went to 5 bowls. However, this is not a debate about Wake’s accomplishments, but about recruiting. It will be hard to convince good players to redshirt when they can do so at a bigger school. I think we would be better served getting guys who would redshirt at an SEC or ACC school because they can play right away with us. That said, I am not a coach or recruiter so what the hell do I know except that this is a forum and we all have opinions ???

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/magazine/archives/news/story?page=magazine-20091228-article22

"Florida State’s soon-to-retire coach, Bobby Bowden, who lost three in a row to Wake from 2006 to 2008, is more succinct. "Our kids won’t do it. They pitch an absolute screaming fit over it. A lot of that is ego, and they think they’re all going to the NFL in two years. They don’t want to hear it when we tell them, ‘Son, you’re not as good as you think you are. Not yet anyway.’ “”

When on the hot seat, he knew he had to abandon that philosophy. It was too late though

http://acc.blogs.starnewsonline.com/37347/grobe-changes-redshirting-philosophy-in-an-effort-to-get-wakes-best-players-on-the-field/[/quote]

We don’t redshirt all of our freshman. If a player can come in an help us right away they will play. But a large majority of the players we recruit understand they benefit from a redshirt year. We are not and will not be recruiting at a level were the kids who come here are thinking about going to the NFL in 3 yrs.

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Coming from someone who lived outside Winston-Salem for a few years, five bowls and an ACC championship is a fantastic coaching job at Wake Forest. They were horrible before Grobe got there, and are now horrible again. He turned them from the doormat of the ACC into a competitive team. It absolutely worked for him at Wake, now as a start-up there are more things to consider before you red-shirt someone, but it is a good strategy for teams that aren’t able to go in and get the 4* and 5* talent consistently.

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This.

As stated above, I understand not changing the system for a specific player… but that doesn’t mean you can’t shuffle in some option plays. Play to your strengths.

He’s shown an ability to make something out of nothing, and oddly enough seems to be a better passer when a broken play forces him to be mobile. Why not add some bootleg run/pass option type plays for him?

I think Matt Johnson has the skillset to be a fantastic QB, but only if the staff opens up the playbook a bit for him. Trying to make a pocket passer out of him is basically trying to take away the strongest portion of his game and force him into the weakest.[/quote]

This is an interesting view… you kind of wonder why we recruited him in the first place… I mean it’s not like the guy was force fed to us that doesn’t have the skills to run the offensive coordinators game plan…

Mullens was here from the begninning and helped recruit him, why didn’t we go for more of a traditional passer if that’s what we are going to run?[/quote]

I wondered this the first game that I saw Johnson play. I said “I thought he’s an option QB. Where’s the option play calling?”.

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If we are getting even SEC redshirt talent here then I agree.[/quote]

clt says Riley.

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If we are getting even SEC redshirt talent here then I agree.[/quote]

clt says Riley.[/quote] Clt appears to have a man crush.

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If we are getting even SEC redshirt talent here then I agree.[/quote]

clt says Riley.[/quote] Clt appears to have a man crush.[/quote]

clt = Riley ?

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If Matt came from a high school that threw the ball, he would have probably been further along and playing for another school. He has shown enough talent and has made some great plays. He has just been terrible when making bad plays. It kind of reminds me of Jake Delhomme in that if he had a bad game, they were so bad that the thought of the Panthers winning the game was impossible. If the Elon defense could catch…scary thought there. [font=verdana]I wouldn’t bet my money that he will get it together or not right now. If Barden is the answer, he will start next year. [/font]

Matt could get it together this year and could be solid by Year 4. We shouldn’t change the entire offense for him, but not using adjusting it for him is bad coaching.

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I think the issues are partly Matt’s fault, and others are the fault of Mullens not adjusting to what the defenses are doing. I think Johnson has to get better at reading things faster and delivering the ball on time. Plus his field vision needs to improve, because he has to be able to see some of those defenders coming into the zones where he wants to throw the ball.

On the other hand, Mullens needs to run some shallow crossing routes in front of the linebackers to make them have to make a decision to either cover those routes in front of them or continue to drop back in coverage to try to be underneath the intermediate routs we like to run. Without the routes in front of the LB’s, they are able to immediately drop back into coverage without any need for concern of routes happening in front of them (see Elon game interceptions). If we run these routes, Matt has to be willing to be patient and take these short throws first to start to hold the LB’s in place for a while, then accurately hit the intermediate stuff.

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Let’s not forget that the offensive line stunk it up versus Elon. If they get pushed around by Elon’s 5’2 300lb DT, they’re going to get demolished by FBS talent. The game plane offensively seems to be shifting to “run first to to the QB’s passing problems” but that couldn’t happen with how the OL played versus Elon; seemed to have worked well versus NCCU (but I didn’t see that game).

Defensively, the DC seemed to have been bringing the safeties down pre-emptively and dropping CBs deeper on semi-islands to try to hide the LB deficiencies; the problem is the LBs were fine and they weren’t even trying to run, but the DC made zero adjustments.

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Redshirting players is a fine line to walk as far as judging talent vs. learning in the system and also has to do with the depth/experience you already have at the given position. It’s a wonderful strategy for teams that can’t recruit the top-tier, must-be-on-the-field talent. Yes, with redshirting you also sometimes recruit over yourself or recruit better talent than you redshirted…but that’s exactly the goal. It’s an inevitable part of college football but leads to much more depth/experience/competition throughout the roster. Just because you might get a better player at the same position the next year doesn’t mean you shouldn’t give a current player a free year to learn and get experience in the system (granted you can afford it with current depth/situation).

Are people seriously arguing that we should waste a year of CUSA eligibility to better compete with Elon in our FCS Independent days? We didn’t paint FCS Independent on the field…I feel like that’s all you should need to filter out that garbage.

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Are people seriously arguing that we should waste a year of CUSA eligibility to better compete with Elon in our FCS Independent days? We didn’t paint FCS Independent on the field…I feel like that’s all you should need to filter out that garbage.

It’s not black and white. If it were, Kalif Phillips would have been redshirted as planned but Lambert obviously wanted an A running back on the field after Barnwell left the squad so that we could compete better as an FCS team. Blake Brewer is an FBS level kicker, why not red-shirt him to compete one more year in CUSA? Lambert has to walk a fine line right now. If we don’t show improvement from year 1 to year 2, we risk losing recruits and momentum with the fan base. There are probably half a dozen players that Lambert had hoped to red shirt but didn’t.

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Yeah, injuries changed that situation. If we had another capable kicker I think that would too. You can’t redshirt when those circumstances dictate otherwise.

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And we still don’t have a full roster.