I canāt understand what some of you are sayingā¦all transfers or simply juco? Guys like Kelvin, Sager, Plavich, and DA were all DI transfers, not jucos.
And while I understand some gnashing at the teeth regarding the recruitment of jucosā¦our 4 year players arent exactly tearing it up either. Hell, the most experienced guys we have are Ian and Dew who both are in their 3rd year in the system. If you can play, you can play. I wouldnāt turn the next Steve Francis down if he wants to play here just cause hes a juco.
I agree. I posted earlier in the thread that I thought this would happen last season. And that I can't even say wait until next year. IMO, 2010-11 will be the true evaluation year. Just on paper we should have a good crop of players with experience and having played together some.
If Iām not mistaken it will be:
Wilderness 4th year
Dewhurst 4th year
Jones 4th year
Barnett 3rd year
Bowden 2nd year
Spears 2nd year
Braswell 2nd year
Thatās pretty good chemistry (on paper) and more of a traditional roster.
The 2 questions are 1) can we wait until then? and 2) can we find a good PG to play with these guys?
My biggest worry is Braswell becomes the next Curt. I donāt mean the 18 pts, 9 rebs, Curt, but the Curt who from the latter part of his sophmore season to the end of his senior year was the same person.
Braswell doesnāt shoot threes so if the system isnāt changed heāll score primarily on broken down plays, perimeter D overplaying, or 2nd chance points. This kid has too much talent, as did Curt to be relegated to that.
Curt for two years was easily the best talent on our team, but the teamās inability to run a decent play for him without jacking it up first, providing a decent post entry pass, or even allowing him to get past the free throw line before shooting the ball, curbed his offensive development.
If this happens with Braswell I will disappear and so will my support of this program, until there is an obvious change.
I agree. I posted earlier in the thread that I thought this would happen last season. And that I can't even say wait until next year. IMO, 2010-11 will be the true evaluation year. Just on paper we should have a good crop of players with experience and having played together some.
If Iām not mistaken it will be:
Wilderness 4th year
Dewhurst 4th year
Jones 4th year
Barnett 3rd year
Bowden 2nd year
Spears 2nd year
Braswell 2nd year
Thatās pretty good chemistry (on paper) and more of a traditional roster.
The 2 questions are 1) can we wait until then? and 2) can we find a good PG to play with these guys?
I can't understand what some of you are saying...all transfers or simply juco? Guys like Kelvin, Sager, Plavich, and DA were all DI transfers, not jucos.
And while I understand some gnashing at the teeth regarding the recruitment of jucosā¦our 4 year players arent exactly tearing it up either. Hell, the most experienced guys we have are Ian and Dew who both are in their 3rd year in the system. If you can play, you can play. I wouldnāt turn the next Steve Francis down if he wants to play here just cause hes a juco.
The title of the thread suggests JUCO, but the thread has gone on about experience in the system. Thus, the argument is against transfers, too.
And I agree with you. If you can play and we have a need, sounds like a fit.
remember when we went 13-16 with Butter and Co?? We all loved it because it was a reboot year.
We all loved it?!! What are you sniffing? That yr was flat out painful. Butter, Nash, and Demonā¦seniors. Rebuilding yr? Really? And wasnāt that the yr with the craptastic tourney over the Holidays?
The only good that came out of that season was an old man about to hyperventilate when Demon caught fire in Cincy.
I can't understand what some of you are saying...all transfers or simply juco? Guys like Kelvin, Sager, Plavich, and DA were all DI transfers, not jucos.
And while I understand some gnashing at the teeth regarding the recruitment of jucosā¦our 4 year players arent exactly tearing it up either. Hell, the most experienced guys we have are Ian and Dew who both are in their 3rd year in the system. If you can play, you can play. I wouldnāt turn the next Steve Francis down if he wants to play here just cause hes a juco.
I scanned through and couldnāt help but bringing up Demarco Johnsonās favorite, a Niner road warrior most assist in Halton (18). One of my favorite game was NCAA tounament. He came back after popping his shoulder back and helped us beat Georgetown.
I can't understand what some of you are saying...all transfers or simply juco? Guys like Kelvin, Sager, Plavich, and DA were all DI transfers, not jucos.
And while I understand some gnashing at the teeth regarding the recruitment of jucosā¦our 4 year players arent exactly tearing it up either. Hell, the most experienced guys we have are Ian and Dew who both are in their 3rd year in the system. If you can play, you can play. I wouldnāt turn the next Steve Francis down if he wants to play here just cause hes a juco.
I personally donāt have a problem with Jucos either. But Iām mostly like Metro as far as thinking they should fill needs, not be the main backbone. If we have too many, playing the main roles, thereās bound to be some chemistry issues.
My biggest worry is Braswell becomes the next Curt. I don't mean the 18 pts, 9 rebs, Curt, but the Curt who from the latter part of his sophmore season to the end of his senior year was the same person.
Braswell doesnāt shoot threes so if the system isnāt changed heāll score primarily on broken down plays, perimeter D overplaying, or 2nd chance points. This kid has too much talent, as did Curt to be relegated to that.
Curt for two years was easily the best talent on our team, but the teamās inability to run a decent play for him without jacking it up first, providing a decent post entry pass, or even allowing him to get past the free throw line before shooting the ball, curbed his offensive development.
If this happens with Braswell I will disappear and so will my support of this program, until there is an obvious change.
I hope so too. Hopefully heāll be used like Demarco instead of Curt. I canāt totally blame the system for Curt though. I got to see him some in HS and he was already launching 3s. I think part of the issue with Withers was in consideration of possibly playing at the next level. It became apparent that he would probably be too small for PF, so they were showing he could play SF too. Similar to what McKillop is doing for Curry.
[QUOTE=Niner89;366746]I scanned through and couldnāt help but bringing up Demarco Johnsonās favorite, a Niner road warrior most assist in Halton (18). One of my favorite game was NCAA tounament. He came back after popping his shoulder back and helped us beat Georgetown.
I can't totally blame the system for Curt though. I got to see him some in HS and he was already launching 3s.
Yep. I saw Curt play in a holiday tournament at Cricket Arena (I think it was the Dell Curry Tourney before they moved it) and the only thing he did was stand outside the 3 point line and shoot 3s the entire game.
I agree. I posted earlier in the thread that I thought this would happen last season. And that I can't even say wait until next year. IMO, 2010-11 will be the true evaluation year. Just on paper we should have a good crop of players with experience and having played together some.
If Iām not mistaken it will be:
Wilderness 4th year
Dewhurst 4th year
Jones 4th year
Barnett 3rd year
Bowden 2nd year
Spears 2nd year
Braswell 2nd year
Thatās pretty good chemistry (on paper) and more of a traditional roster.
The 2 questions are 1) can we wait until then? and 2) can we find a good PG to play with these guys?
Iām glad you at least said ON PAPERā¦ because Iām sick of looking to next year it made last year look like a miracle or somethingā¦
Also if you want to know why we are screwed this season, just look at the 05 recruiting class...that class was due to Bobby having 1 foot out the door and our awful attempt at adjusting to a new conference on the recruiting trail.
DOBA!!! 3 Jucoās, no transfers, no 4 year players, Lutz gave a ****ty attempt at recruiting this year and we are paying for it now. Think about it, the guys in this class would be SENIORS NOW!!!
I'm glad you at least said ON PAPER... because I'm sick of looking to next year it made last year look like a miracle or something....
Yea, Iām trying to emphasize āon paperā. Iām not much for saying wait until next year, and I definitely think incoming players have been over hyped at times. I only point out '10-'11 as far as expectations and contract status.
I agree. I posted earlier in the thread that I thought this would happen last season. And that I can't even say wait until next year. IMO, 2010-11 will be the true evaluation year. Just on paper we should have a good crop of players with experience and having played together some.
If Iām not mistaken it will be:
Wilderness 4th year
Dewhurst 4th year
Jones 4th year
Barnett 3rd year
Bowden 2nd year
Spears 2nd year
Braswell 2nd year
Thatās pretty good chemistry (on paper) and more of a traditional roster.
The 2 questions are 1) can we wait until then? and 2) can we find a good PG to play with these guys?
Small Note: Barnett would be his 4th year in system. Since he red shirted his freshman year same year as Wilderness. Also doesnāt phil half to obtain some kind of academic level of success to get his freshman year of eligability back?
To be fair, I think Mack and Coley could be answered for Lutzās contract status last season. If we had [B]landed a freshman SG or SF last season[/B] instead of Mack, I doubt we would have had the contribution that Mack gave last season. So in that regard Lutz needed an immediate impact.[/QUOTE]
that player was supposed to be michael beasely. he wouldāve been here for a year and weād be writing threads how pissed we are he went ahead and went pro.
Small Note: Barnett would be his 4th year in system. Since he red shirted his freshman year same year as Wilderness. Also doesn't phil half to obtain some kind of academic level of success to get his freshman year of eligability back?
Yes on Phil. I was trying to think positive.
And for Barnett, that too would be true. But you could also add another year for Bowden, Dewhurst, Jones and Spears too with that logic. I was referring to actual game time minutes.
To be fair, I think Mack and Coley could be answered for Lutz's contract status last season. If we had [B]landed a freshman SG or SF last season[/B] instead of Mack, I doubt we would have had the contribution that Mack gave last season. So in that regard Lutz needed an immediate impact.
that player was supposed to be michael beasely. he would've been here for a year and we'd be writing threads how pissed we are he went ahead and went pro.
Thatās true. But for a player like Beasley you make exceptions, even if it is for one year. A player with Beasleyās ability is the exception and not the rule. Maybe if we had a Beasley and made a sweet 16 run, we would have landed another stud in this years class.