That is not what is being portrayed publicly and to investors (FSL Owners). Our chancellor has said that we wouldnât expand âuntil he was dead and buriedâ (paraphrasing) and our AD has been on record more recently as saying that we will not expand until we are able to fill our current stadium.
That is not what is being portrayed publicly and to investors (FSL Owners). Our chancellor has said that we wouldnât expand âuntil he was dead and buriedâ (paraphrasing) and our AD has been on record more recently as saying that we will not expand until we are able to fill our current stadium.[/quote]
I really think that just an announcement revealing potential future expansion plans will pump new excitement and interest into our football program. Of course that means extra work by our administrators. I doubt any of us want to jeopardize their 2 hour lunches.
That is not what is being portrayed publicly and to investors (FSL Owners). Our chancellor has said that we wouldnât expand â[b]until he was dead and buriedâ /b and our AD has been on record more recently as saying that we will not expand until we are able to fill our current stadium.[/quote]
Thatâs a fact, Jack!
That is not what is being portrayed publicly and to investors (FSL Owners). Our chancellor has said that we wouldnât expand â[b]until he was dead and buriedâ /b and our AD has been on record more recently as saying that we will not expand until we are able to fill our current stadium.[/quote]
Thatâs a fact, Jack![/quote]
This is what confuses/agitates me about all the expansion talk. Would I love to see the Rich expanded to 25k? Absolutely.
But, the school/AD arenât going to do it until we are selling out (in terms of butts in the seats) the Rich on a regular basis. And the school/AD donât seem to have any beyond-mininal-effort plans for selling out (in terms of butts in the seats) the Rich on a regular basis anytime soon.
Appâs big win was on the road.
Michigan didnât sign a return game to AppâŚApp had to play and win there.
PlusâŚthey had 20k+ fan support BEFORE that win too.
Appâs big win was on the road.
Michigan didnât sign a return game to AppâŚApp had to play and win there.
PlusâŚthey had 20k+ fan support BEFORE that win too.[/quote]
You donât think beating Chapel Hill at home would kick start this program?
In 2003 App avg 14,600
In 2005 App avg 17,900
In 2007 App avg 25,000+
Have to have an opportunity for big wins to market a program. Since our AD canât figure out how to market that leaves our coaches.
What is yaâllâs solution? Just not do anything?
Appâs big win was on the road.
Michigan didnât sign a return game to AppâŚApp had to play and win there.
PlusâŚthey had 20k+ fan support BEFORE that win too.[/quote]
You donât think beating Chapel Hill at home would kick start this program?
In 2003 App avg 14,600
In 2005 App avg 17,900
In 2007 App avg 25,000+
Have to have an opportunity for big wins to market a program. Since our AD canât figure out how to market that leaves our coaches.
What is yaâllâs solution? Just not do anything?[/quote]
Not too many people realize Appâs program was in pretty bad shape before that first FCS title. They lost to WCU the last game of 2004 and Jerry Moore was firmly on the hot seat.
[quote=âSteauA, post:414, topic:30091â][quote=âNinerWupAss, post:413, topic:30091â][quote=âSteauA, post:412, topic:30091â]Under current âleadershipâ and current AD and Univ. at wide marketing âeffortsâ, expanding the stadium would be the dumbest thing imaginable. We canât even get within 1500 seats (on average) of selling out 6 home games in years 3 and 4 of existence. Whatâs the point of adding more seats just for the sake of doing it when we know that the school and the AD wonât make any effort to actually sell those seats and will just give excuses as to why people arenât going?
There is none.[/quote]
IF and its a big IF, the current AD would expand the stadium the influx of marquee teams playing, as shown by the ones we have signed, are worth the investment. To build our brand we have to host these bigger names.[/quote]
With all due respect, I disagree. To build our brand, we need an AD that cares/tries.
What big names have ODU played that has resulted in their fan engagement/attendance success? I remember they played NC State at home once, outside of that itâs your marginal FBS programs like Eastern Michigan or UMass plus the C-USA crapalooza. They sell out 20,000 and have a waiting list for season tickets. We canât sell out 15k more than once a year. That has very little to do with our opponents and 99.99% to do with our leadership.[/quote]
Actually they have very little (if any) waiting list now according to what I have read over the last year or 2.
Appâs big win was on the road.
Michigan didnât sign a return game to AppâŚApp had to play and win there.
PlusâŚthey had 20k+ fan support BEFORE that win too.[/quote]
You donât think beating Chapel Hill at home would kick start this program?
In 2003 App avg 14,600
In 2005 App avg 17,900
In 2007 App avg 25,000+
Have to have an opportunity for big wins to market a program. Since our AD canât figure out how to market that leaves our coaches.
What is yaâllâs solution? Just not do anything?[/quote]
Not too many people realize Appâs program was in pretty bad shape before that first FCS title. They lost to WCU the last game of 2004 and Jerry Moore was firmly on the hot seat.[/quote]
This is exactly right. It seems that a lot of people think App has the really long history of great crowds and titles. That just really isnât true, particularly the attendance numbers as Normbulance points about. The Michigan game was/is the main thing that got them noticed and jump-started them to whatever you think they are now. Similar to what the Steph Curry magic year did for Davidson. They are still living off of HIM.
That is not what is being portrayed publicly and to investors (FSL Owners). Our chancellor has said that we wouldnât expand â[b]until he was dead and buriedâ /b and our AD has been on record more recently as saying that we will not expand until we are able to fill our current stadium.[/quote]
Thatâs a fact, Jack![/quote]
This is what confuses/agitates me about all the expansion talk. Would I love to see the Rich expanded to 25k? Absolutely.
But, the school/AD arenât going to do it until we are selling out (in terms of butts in the seats) the Rich on a regular basis. And the school/AD donât seem to have any beyond-mininal-effort plans for selling out (in terms of butts in the seats) the Rich on a regular basis anytime soon.[/quote]
This is the wrong approach. 90% of schools do NOT sell out their stadiums for most games. You need enough seats to handle the largest projected crowds, not the average crowd.
[quote=âNinerWupAss, post:426, topic:30091â]You donât think beating Chapel Hill at home would kick start this program?
In 2003 App avg 14,600
In 2005 App avg 17,900
In 2007 App avg 25,000+[/quote]
Iâm just saying the background & circumstances of the 2 programâs are miles different. And what worked for them wonât necessarily work for us. One road football win against Michigan put fuel on a fire for them. It reignited fans from years past. Winning D2 titles, moving to FBS and continued winning (Conference titles and Bowl wins) has maintained that fire ever since.
That is completely different from having no history at all. We may could reignite our basketball fans with a big basketball win against a big basketball programâŚbecause we remember the good ol days and would come back in droves for a chance to re-live them again with a team we beieve could get us back there.
But football here is new and stuck in a bad conference and is already establishing a culture of disappointment. Couple that with our fairweather fanbase and it would take a lot more than one win to turn things around here. As an exampleâŚI believe we were the 1st team in CUSA history to beat Marshall & Southenrn Miss on the road in the same season and our fans responded by showing up less!!
Iâm not sure what the answer isâŚoutside of new leadership and a major change in the culture of the athletic dept as a whole.
Iâve followed & supported this University athletically for over 25yrs and I canât stand to watch us live anymore because I expect to be embarrassed. A close loss is a win for me now. So what does the âcasualâ fan think if I think that way? And the âcasualâ fan is the one we have to win over. It will take more than one win to do that for themâŚand even for me.
Complete culture change is the path to changing anything regarding our fan support.
Thinking about itâŚJudyâs âManage Expectationsâ mantra is the root cause of everything that is piss poor about our entire athletics dept and fan support.
App has created a culture of âHigh Expectationsâ not âManaged ExpectationsââŚthatâs why they sell tickets. Their fans show up in droves because they âExpectâ to see them to win. The coaches expect to winâŚso do the playersâŚso does the administration. Their fans gladly show up to support a program with âHigh Expectationsâ that âexpectsâ to win.
And here in Charl[size=2]otte, [font=Verdana]we have created a culture of âmanaged expectationsâ where a close loss is a win and blowout losses are expected (now in both main sports). Who the fu&$ wants to show up for that? See attendance numbers falling for both sports to support that claim.[/font][/size]
How can someone not see the sleeping giant here? How can we not get someone to come in energized to lead us? We need someone to come in with an attitude and the swagger that refuses to accept mediocrity in athleticsâŚespecially consideringâŚ
We have almost a 30K enrollment
We are located in the 15th largest city in America
We boast a top 20 TV market
But no. We currently have the âManaged Expectationsâ culture fitting of Campbell University or High Point.
Thinking about itâŚJudyâs âManage Expectationsâ mantra is the root cause of everything that is piss poor about our entire athletics dept and fan support.
App has created a culture of âHigh Expectationsâ not âManaged ExpectationsââŚthatâs why they sell tickets. Their fans show up in droves because they âExpectâ to see them to win. The coaches expect to winâŚso do the playersâŚso does the administration. Their fans gladly show up to support a program with âHigh Expectationsâ that âexpectsâ to win.
And here in Charl[size=1em]otte, [font=verdana]we have created a culture of âmanaged expectationsâ where a close loss is a win and blowout losses are expected (now in both main sports). Who the fu&$ wants to show up for that? See attendance numbers falling for both sports to support that claim.[/font][/size]
How can someone not see the sleeping giant here? How can we not get someone to come in energized to lead us? We need someone to come in with an attitude and the swagger that refuses to accept mediocrity in athleticsâŚespecially consideringâŚ
We have almost a 30K enrollment
We are located in the 15th largest city in America
We boast a top 20 TV market
But no. We currently have the âManaged Expectationsâ culture fitting of Campbell University or High Point.[/quote]
High Point doesnât even have that.
I agree with total culture change. I just know we have to wait for that and if there are things we can do now, that coaches can do, then we need to do it.
Thinking about itâŚJudyâs âManage Expectationsâ mantra is the root cause of everything that is piss poor about our entire athletics dept and fan support.
App has created a culture of âHigh Expectationsâ not âManaged ExpectationsââŚthatâs why they sell tickets. Their fans show up in droves because they âExpectâ to see them to win. The coaches expect to winâŚso do the playersâŚso does the administration. Their fans gladly show up to support a program with âHigh Expectationsâ that âexpectsâ to win.
And here in Charl[size=2]otte, [font=Verdana]we have created a culture of âmanaged expectationsâ where a close loss is a win and blowout losses are expected (now in both main sports). Who the fu&$ wants to show up for that? See attendance numbers falling for both sports to support that claim.[/font][/size]
How can someone not see the sleeping giant here? How can we not get someone to come in energized to lead us? We need someone to come in with an attitude and the swagger that refuses to accept mediocrity in athleticsâŚespecially consideringâŚ
We have almost a 30K enrollment
We are located in the 15th largest city in America
We boast a top 20 TV market
But no. We currently have the âManaged Expectationsâ culture fitting of Campbell University or High Point.[/quote] Please. App sucks in every sport not called football and have zero support for any other sport. Also, they do not come out in âdrovesâ. Look at the numbers and look at the stands for many of their football games. Better than us, but not THAT much better.
Thinking about itâŚJudyâs âManage Expectationsâ mantra is the root cause of everything that is piss poor about our entire athletics dept and fan support.
App has created a culture of âHigh Expectationsâ not âManaged ExpectationsââŚthatâs why they sell tickets. Their fans show up in droves because they âExpectâ to see them to win. The coaches expect to winâŚso do the playersâŚso does the administration. Their fans gladly show up to support a program with âHigh Expectationsâ that âexpectsâ to win.
And here in Charl[size=2]otte, [font=Verdana]we have created a culture of âmanaged expectationsâ where a close loss is a win and blowout losses are expected (now in both main sports). Who the fu&$ wants to show up for that? See attendance numbers falling for both sports to support that claim.[/font][/size]
How can someone not see the sleeping giant here? How can we not get someone to come in energized to lead us? We need someone to come in with an attitude and the swagger that refuses to accept mediocrity in athleticsâŚespecially consideringâŚ
We have almost a 30K enrollment
We are located in the 15th largest city in America
We boast a top 20 TV market
But no. We currently have the âManaged Expectationsâ culture fitting of Campbell University or High Point.[/quote] Please. App sucks in every sport not called football and have zero support for any other sport. Also, they do not come out in âdrovesâ. Look at the numbers and look at the stands for many of their football games. Better than us, but not THAT much better.[/quote]
Their attendance is >80% more than ours.
Thinking about itâŚJudyâs âManage Expectationsâ mantra is the root cause of everything that is piss poor about our entire athletics dept and fan support.
App has created a culture of âHigh Expectationsâ not âManaged ExpectationsââŚthatâs why they sell tickets. Their fans show up in droves because they âExpectâ to see them to win. The coaches expect to winâŚso do the playersâŚso does the administration. Their fans gladly show up to support a program with âHigh Expectationsâ that âexpectsâ to win.
And here in Charl[size=2]otte, [font=Verdana]we have created a culture of âmanaged expectationsâ where a close loss is a win and blowout losses are expected (now in both main sports). Who the fu&$ wants to show up for that? See attendance numbers falling for both sports to support that claim.[/font][/size]
How can someone not see the sleeping giant here? How can we not get someone to come in energized to lead us? We need someone to come in with an attitude and the swagger that refuses to accept mediocrity in athleticsâŚespecially consideringâŚ
We have almost a 30K enrollment
We are located in the 15th largest city in America
We boast a top 20 TV market
But no. We currently have the âManaged Expectationsâ culture fitting of Campbell University or High Point.[/quote] Please. App sucks in every sport not called football and have zero support for any other sport. Also, they do not come out in âdrovesâ. Look at the numbers and look at the stands for many of their football games. Better than us, but not THAT much better.[/quote]
Their attendance is >80% more than ours.[/quote]
Itâs one year and it was up from 21,000 last year. That was much more typical for them and in a really good season. It also includes a ton of Miami fans for one game which brought the average up this year by 2000+. Given their history, out drawing us for most games by 6-7000 isnât really all that impressive.
Thinking about itâŚJudyâs âManage Expectationsâ mantra is the root cause of everything that is piss poor about our entire athletics dept and fan support.
App has created a culture of âHigh Expectationsâ not âManaged ExpectationsââŚthatâs why they sell tickets. Their fans show up in droves because they âExpectâ to see them to win. The coaches expect to winâŚso do the playersâŚso does the administration. Their fans gladly show up to support a program with âHigh Expectationsâ that âexpectsâ to win.
And here in Charl[size=1em]otte, [font=verdana]we have created a culture of âmanaged expectationsâ where a close loss is a win and blowout losses are expected (now in both main sports). Who the fu&$ wants to show up for that? See attendance numbers falling for both sports to support that claim.[/font][/size]
How can someone not see the sleeping giant here? How can we not get someone to come in energized to lead us? We need someone to come in with an attitude and the swagger that refuses to accept mediocrity in athleticsâŚespecially consideringâŚ
We have almost a 30K enrollment
We are located in the 15th largest city in America
We boast a top 20 TV market
But no. We currently have the âManaged Expectationsâ culture fitting of Campbell University or High Point.[/quote] Please. App sucks in every sport not called football and have zero support for any other sport. Also, they do not come out in âdrovesâ. Look at the numbers and look at the stands for many of their football games. Better than us, but not THAT much better.[/quote]
Their attendance is >80% more than ours.[/quote]
Itâs one year and it was up from 21,000 last year. That was much more typical for them and in a really good season. It also includes a ton of Miami fans for one game which brought the average up this year by 2000+. Given their history, out drawing us for most games by 6-7000 isnât really all that impressive.[/quote]
clt says appy doesnât actually count fans. You can walk up and get into the stadium.
Thinking about itâŚJudyâs âManage Expectationsâ mantra is the root cause of everything that is piss poor about our entire athletics dept and fan support.
App has created a culture of âHigh Expectationsâ not âManaged ExpectationsââŚthatâs why they sell tickets. Their fans show up in droves because they âExpectâ to see them to win. The coaches expect to winâŚso do the playersâŚso does the administration. Their fans gladly show up to support a program with âHigh Expectationsâ that âexpectsâ to win.
And here in Charl[size=1em]otte, [font=verdana]we have created a culture of âmanaged expectationsâ where a close loss is a win and blowout losses are expected (now in both main sports). Who the fu&$ wants to show up for that? See attendance numbers falling for both sports to support that claim.[/font][/size]
How can someone not see the sleeping giant here? How can we not get someone to come in energized to lead us? We need someone to come in with an attitude and the swagger that refuses to accept mediocrity in athleticsâŚespecially consideringâŚ
We have almost a 30K enrollment
We are located in the 15th largest city in America
We boast a top 20 TV market
But no. We currently have the âManaged Expectationsâ culture fitting of Campbell University or High Point.[/quote] Please. App sucks in every sport not called football and have zero support for any other sport. Also, they do not come out in âdrovesâ. Look at the numbers and look at the stands for many of their football games. Better than us, but not THAT much better.[/quote]
Their attendance is >80% more than ours.[/quote]
Itâs one year and it was up from 21,000 last year. That was much more typical for them and in a really good season. It also includes a ton of Miami fans for one game which brought the average up this year by 2000+. Given their history, out drawing us for most games by 6-7000 isnât really all that impressive.[/quote]
Letâs go off 2015 then. We get a 3% bump since we lost that much this season (yes, the 9th worst in attendance lost butts) and App will go back down 22%.
Charlotte: 14,618
App: 21,459
Delta: 6,841 (or 46.8% more).
You are delusional if you think that isnât a big deal. 6841 fans more, every game.
Letâs say on average they bought a $20 ticket, 3 fans per car to the game paying $12 a pass, and each fan bought on average $5 of food/drink/merchandise. Through the season, 6 games.
(6841*$20+6841*$5+(6841/3)*$12)*6 = $1.2 Million
That doesnât even include the perception that your school gains, chances at TV games, recruiting, etc.
If you are curious on this years dollars, the 11,961 extra butts per seat, per game. Itâs an almost $2.1 million difference.
I have solved the problem. 2.1 million divided by 30,000 students equates to ONLY a $70 per year increase in student fees for each student.
[quote=âTRLeader, post:432, topic:30091â]How can someone not see the sleeping giant here? How can we not get someone to come in energized to lead us? We need someone to come in with an attitude and the swagger that refuses to accept mediocrity in athleticsâŚespecially consideringâŚ
We have almost a 30K enrollment
We are located in the 15th largest city in America
We boast a top 20 TV market[/quote]
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