This is spot on. And the problem is she has ever been a forward thinking person. And in the college landscape now, you HAVE to be. If she stays another few years now, and we don’t win, she will never get another warm welcome for the rest of her life from my generation. But if she leaves now, she could.
judy in corp America… :-X
Lets just say choosing gov life was very smart.
If uncc didnt workout the local DMV branch would be great fit.
On March 18, 2005, Dubois was named UNC Charlotte’s fourth chancellor and assumed that role on July 15. Dubois has focused his efforts on building the University’s visibility and support in the Charlotte region; long-range planning for an expected enrollment of 35,000 students; completion of key capital construction and renovation projects in excess of $1.2 billion; improvement in the efficiency and effectiveness of critical business processes; and implementation of an intercollegiate football program starting in the fall of 2013. During his tenure, completed applications among freshmen and transfer students have grown by 91%, while overall enrollment has climbed to nearly 29,000 (a 38% increase).
Thinking about this further…firing coaches and even the AD still doesn’t fix anything. I don’t care if it is Phil, Judy or another incoming AD or Chancellor…I just want someone to acknowledge the past failures that has left us in a shit conference and set a tangible goal of getting us to back to an upgraded conference affiliation (AAC or Big East) along with a well defined plan on how to position us for that.
(maybe a re-worked mission statement that mentions and defines success would be nice to include as well)
If even Judy or Phil would at least do that…I would be happy that there is a clear vision on how to get us back into a more favorable conference position which would make it easier for all coaches (and programs) to succeed here.
Who is Andrew on here and Twitter?
Well done my friend
Nice to see the condescending side of CHP come through in that segment. “Fans don’t understand complexity of running an AD”. He’s incredulous to our belief that chronic losing is indicative of failure. Thinks knocking down straw men is putting us in our place.
Nor does Judy Rose
[quote=“punchdrunk, post:386, topic:31094”]Who is Andrew on here and Twitter?
Well done my friend[/quote]
It’s not me, if that’s what you were thinking. I graduated 10yrs ago.
CHP: "As I look back over my 12.5 years here, we have certainly faced challenging times. Men’s basketball is the best example of a program that rather suddenly became non-competitive when it had once enjoyed success. But the change in the performance of that program could hardly be attributed to the Athletic Director who, in fact, had selected successful coaches and created the conditions for success."
If she selected successful coaches why were they not successful?? He’s next…
CHP: "As I look back over my 12.5 years here, we have certainly faced challenging times. Men’s basketball is the best example of a program that rather suddenly became non-competitive when it had once enjoyed success. But the change in the performance of that program could hardly be attributed to the Athletic Director who, in fact, had selected successful coaches and created the conditions for success."
If she selected successful coaches why were they not successful?? He’s next…[/quote]
Such bullshit - they let that coach roll into his final year under contract. That’s a condition for success?
CHP: "As I look back over my 12.5 years here, we have certainly faced challenging times. Men’s basketball is the best example of a program that rather suddenly became non-competitive when it had once enjoyed success. But the change in the performance of that program could hardly be attributed to the Athletic Director who, in fact, had selected successful coaches and created the conditions for success."
If she selected successful coaches why were they not successful?? He’s next…[/quote]
Such bullshit - they let that coach roll into his final year under contract. That’s a condition for success?[/quote]
CHP really expects us to buy this formula???: (Hiring the right people) + (Creating conditions for success) = CHRONIC LOSING
[quote=“NinerWupAss, post:370, topic:31094”]This needs to be a long sustained message. Nothing is going to change with Judy’s employment in the next 10 days unless we find a smoking gun somewhere. A poorly organized and rushed march will discount the movement. Best thing we can do is keep up the message during games and at things like gameday. Keep calling the radio stations, sending the emails. Build up to the march. We need more time to rally the people. Every day that goes by that it keeps going is another day that they can’t stop.
We also need to balance everything. To make this work we need the older alums with money. A walk out will push them into Judy’s camp. Slow and methodical will win this.[/quote] Agree with this, but also think this could be included with regards to the older alums with money and some of the other program benefactors: You also need to make it clear this is not attacking Rose personally, or in some way because she’s a woman. Program benefactors and a number of donors will react poorly to that. All the comments about how she looks, dresses, or questions her intelligence in stupid ways should be radioactive, on signs and otherwise. People that actually want to get Rose removed should work to tamp that down and redirect focus to her record and the program’s direction.
Everyone can look at Rose’s record of accomplishment and see that there are huge failures in the last decade plus, something that would’ve gotten almost any other AD in the country fired. There’s no need to blame her for every rotten thing that’s happened or to attack her personally, that just undermines the message, and if anything, would give Dubois an easy excuse to refuse to listen.
[quote=“9erken, post:393, topic:31094”][quote=“NinerWupAss, post:370, topic:31094”]This needs to be a long sustained message. Nothing is going to change with Judy’s employment in the next 10 days unless we find a smoking gun somewhere. A poorly organized and rushed march will discount the movement. Best thing we can do is keep up the message during games and at things like gameday. Keep calling the radio stations, sending the emails. Build up to the march. We need more time to rally the people. Every day that goes by that it keeps going is another day that they can’t stop.
We also need to balance everything. To make this work we need the older alums with money. A walk out will push them into Judy’s camp. Slow and methodical will win this.[/quote] Agree with this, but also think this could be included with regards to the older alums with money and some of the other program benefactors: You also need to make it clear this is not attacking Rose personally, or in some way because she’s a woman. Program benefactors and a number of donors will react poorly to that. All the comments about how she looks, dresses, or questions her intelligence in stupid ways should be radioactive, on signs and otherwise. People that actually want to get Rose removed should work to tamp that down and redirect focus to her record and the program’s direction.
Everyone can look at Rose’s record of accomplishment and see that there are huge failures in the last decade plus, something that would’ve gotten almost any other AD in the country fired. There’s no need to blame her for every rotten thing that’s happened or to attack her personally, that just undermines the message, and if anything, would give Dubois an easy excuse to refuse to listen.[/quote]this. We should applaud Judy’s facility improvements. Plant the seed she should be moved into a role like director of fundraising for capital projects and removed from administrstive dutieswhere she clearly struggles.
Not sure where to put this. I am a Charlotte alum, I work for the University of Colorado, and while Charlotte is not a P5 program and CU is, our aspirations and goals should still be close…you would think.
This link is for CU’s strategic planning goals for the future. Pretty impressive.
Charlotte has a mission statement, which I believe has been posted before. Lame.
The comparison of these two links, tells me all I need to know about Judy Rose and how she operates. Her time has come. Step aside. Keep some dignity. You made some good choices and some bad choices. It’s time we had an AD with the goals and aspirations similar to the link I provided. I want someone to come in and re-energize that entire department.
[quote=“charlotte004, post:395, topic:31094”]Not sure where to put this. I am a Charlotte alum, I work for the University of Colorado, and while Charlotte is not a P5 program and CU is, our aspirations and goals should still be close…you would think.
This link is for CU’s strategic planning goals for the future. Pretty impressive.
Charlotte has a mission statement, which I believe has been posted before. Lame.
The comparison of these two links, tells me all I need to know about Judy Rose and how she operates. Her time has come. Step aside. Keep some dignity. You made some good choices and some bad choices. It’s time we had an AD with the goals and aspirations similar to the link I provided. I want someone to come in and re-energize that entire department.[/quote]
This is sorry.
Agree with the sentiment a few posts above. Our AD has shown that when attacked, they get defensive rather than opening up and listening. I love the fire and passion for everyone, and think everyone is doing/saying the right things. We just need to be sure to keep the conversation going in the right direction.
[quote=“CivilNiner, post:380, topic:31094”]Not sure if this analogy has been made on this board. I have heard a lot of successful people say “CEOs are generally more effective for 7 years, plus or minus a few years.”
I think this thought process really hits home with Judy’s tenure. And a good way for the two sides to come to an agreement that she has overstayed her welcome as Charlottes AD. This doesnt need to be confused with she is a bad person, has bad intentions, or even has always been a bad AD. But 27 years is too long for anyone to remain in a sole leadership position!!
This article can articulate what I am trying to say 10 times better. Not completely apples to apples, but it’s pretty damn close.
https://hbr.org/2014/03/when-its-time-for-the-ceo-to-go
[i] How long should a CEO stay in his job? The most common response I usually have from CEOs is seven years, plus or minus two. It’s a reasonable number: seven years is probably the period of maximum effectiveness for most people in what can be a very stressful job. I think also that the nature and challenges of the job evolve over time, going through three distinct phases:
Decline: You know that a CEO has reached this stage in the cycle when the company has few or no new products planned for the near future and there are no initiatives to find new markets. Furthermore, there is no new blood coming into the top ranks of organization. Everyone sings to the CEO’s same old tune. The company is probably accumulating a lot of cash because top executives are running out of ideas about how to use it. It’s during this phase that a CEO starts having problems. He may have stopped listening to other people’s ideas. The job has become routine. Performance is slipping. In a fast paced industry, the problems tend to become apparent quickly; declining CEOs in a relatively stable environment can get away with it for longer.
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This makes a lot of sense. I track 280 ADs, across 25 conferences plus independents. of the 280, 225 have been at their current spot 9 years or less (or 80%)
I’ve made some t-shirts available here: https://teespring.com/fire-judy-rose
Starting with the fire+rose emojis and hopefully they’re cheap enough that you’ll want to pick some up. Any proceeds will go to the 49er club AFTER Judy is fired or resigns.
[quote=“dmastinsc, post:398, topic:31094”]I’ve made some t-shirts available here: https://teespring.com/fire-judy-rose
Starting with the fire+rose emojis and hopefully they’re cheap enough that you’ll want to pick some up. Any proceeds will go to the 49er club AFTER Judy is fired or resigns.[/quote]
That’s the wrong shade of green
edit: hope it’s clear that was a joke.
There are students chalking the campus daily, writing on whiteboards in classrooms daily, people showing up to gameday, chanting at games, bringing signs, making t shirts and petitions, and these people still don’t get that it’s a problem. LOL.
Something I’ve not seen mentioned-
Judy Rose is obsessed with the athletic director and NCAA industry via conferences, committees, speeches etc. She wants to be a legend amongst her colleagues. This is a well known fact.
Today’s ESPN gameday was seen by 99% of NCAA ADs. And if they did not see it, they heard. That’s gonna leave a huge mark in terms of legacy she wants so badly to have.