[quote=âstonecoldken, post:100, topic:28486â]Hootie, it was already 30 something, PH had nothing to play for.
I started rooting for more ejections. I wanted to see us have to play with only 4 guys eligible & on the floor, then people would at least feel sympathy for us.[/quote]
Actually down 24 with a FT coming. I would consider pride worthing playing for, btw.
[quote=âDowless, post:97, topic:28486â][quote=âhootie, post:96, topic:28486â]I love PHâs game as a rule and am not trying to be a douche and come down on him, he is 21ish and we all did things at 21 that we probably arenât really proud of.
BUT, letâs not mistake playing tough and not being intimidated with being stupid. He made a ESPN Top 10 play (IMO) and then taunted. OK, I get that a little, I guess, if I were down 24 at that point Iâd just shoot my FT. But the second, he just wouldnât STFU. He deserved it bigtime and I would have ran him too if I had been reffing.[/quote]
Notice that he didnât looked confused or mad that he got tossed. He knew it was coming. I know many may disagree, but this could be a leader showing the team that it is not ok to lose like that.[/quote]
Are you saying that it is not okay to lose like this so I will remove myself from the process?
How does that show leadership?
Some people would say that is equivalent to getting mad and quitting and taking your ball home with you.
I would think staying in the game and fighting your @ss off till the final buzzer no matter how many you are down would show a lot more leadership qualities.
I can see a Coach getting tossed on purpose with techâs to fire up the players or change the dynamics of the game but players play till it is over.
Anyone a fan of HBO Real Sports? This month is their annual year-end wrap-up show where they look back at some of the best stories they did during the year. One of their stories was about the dramatic increase in people attacking referees. Players and parents are now doing it at such a high rate that the publisher of Referee magazine said they get more than one report a week of it. Clearly it is a break down in civility, respect for others, and any sense of shame of being a major ass in public. I sometimes find myself wanting Major to stand up against the refs, and get in their faces for the purpose of making them think twice before they mess with us. Then I see this show on HBO and it makes me think crap, I see how it starts. Maybe Major doesnât care enough to scream at them, or maybe it just isnât his style, or maybeâŚjust maybe, he is modeling what he thinks is proper behavior to a bunch of boys that perhaps have not seen that before, and whom he is charged with helping turn into men. I hope that is it.
The intricate behavioral component of what you do is how you do it. A major factor in Majorâs incompetency is he does nothing. In the heat of battle/leadership that is just as ineffective as doing to much.
[quote=âbballtazzmania, post:104, topic:28486â]The intricate behavioral component of what you do is how you do it. A major factor in Majorâs incompetency is he does nothing. In the heat of battle/leadership that is just as ineffective as doing to much.[/quote]Did you know that Tasmania is spelled Tasmania?
[quote=âTheShowDawg, post:102, topic:28486â][quote=âDowless, post:97, topic:28486â][quote=âhootie, post:96, topic:28486â]I love PHâs game as a rule and am not trying to be a douche and come down on him, he is 21ish and we all did things at 21 that we probably arenât really proud of.
BUT, letâs not mistake playing tough and not being intimidated with being stupid. He made a ESPN Top 10 play (IMO) and then taunted. OK, I get that a little, I guess, if I were down 24 at that point Iâd just shoot my FT. But the second, he just wouldnât STFU. He deserved it bigtime and I would have ran him too if I had been reffing.[/quote]
Notice that he didnât looked confused or mad that he got tossed. He knew it was coming. I know many may disagree, but this could be a leader showing the team that it is not ok to lose like that.[/quote]
Are you saying that it is not okay to lose like this so I will remove myself from the process?
How does that show leadership?
Some people would say that is equivalent to getting mad and quitting and taking your ball home with you.
I would think staying in the game and fighting your @ss off till the final buzzer no matter how many you are down would show a lot more leadership qualities.
I can see a Coach getting tossed on purpose with techâs to fire up the players or change the dynamics of the game but players play till it is over.[/quote]
You must be old-school Showdawg. This is not the way things work today.
Bad thing is, I must be Old-school also, because I agree. Leadership would
be getting your team in a huddle after the first Tech, cussing like a sailor,
and telling everyone that you are fighting until the end.
i dont think major avoids screaming at the refs because he doesnt care. i think that according to him, it does not solve anything. while sometimes i wish he would be more vocal, i think his calm demeanor has won us some tight games because it keeps the players calm. bobby screamed a lot and all it got him was hated by the refs and disliked by other coaches and rarely solved whatever crisis we were in during that game.
John Wooden didnât yell. He was pretty good.
Oh, and BTW, the reason he said he didnât yell and curse: âHow can I expect a 20 year old kid to control his emotions if I canât?â Pretty sound philosophy to meâŚ
If beating teams coached by Brad Stevens and Jim Beilein is incompetency and ineffectiveâŚsign me up. If you are always yelling it loses itâs effectiveness.
[quote=âBigTimeNiner, post:106, topic:28486â][quote=âTheShowDawg, post:102, topic:28486â][quote=âDowless, post:97, topic:28486â][quote=âhootie, post:96, topic:28486â]I love PHâs game as a rule and am not trying to be a douche and come down on him, he is 21ish and we all did things at 21 that we probably arenât really proud of.
BUT, letâs not mistake playing tough and not being intimidated with being stupid. He made a ESPN Top 10 play (IMO) and then taunted. OK, I get that a little, I guess, if I were down 24 at that point Iâd just shoot my FT. But the second, he just wouldnât STFU. He deserved it bigtime and I would have ran him too if I had been reffing.[/quote]
Notice that he didnât looked confused or mad that he got tossed. He knew it was coming. I know many may disagree, but this could be a leader showing the team that it is not ok to lose like that.[/quote]
Are you saying that it is not okay to lose like this so I will remove myself from the process?
How does that show leadership?
Some people would say that is equivalent to getting mad and quitting and taking your ball home with you.
I would think staying in the game and fighting your @ss off till the final buzzer no matter how many you are down would show a lot more leadership qualities.
I can see a Coach getting tossed on purpose with techâs to fire up the players or change the dynamics of the game but players play till it is over.[/quote]
You must be old-school Showdawg. This is not the way things work today.
Bad thing is, I must be Old-school also, because I agree. Leadership would
be getting your team in a huddle after the first Tech, cussing like a sailor,
and telling everyone that you are fighting until the end.[/quote]
Only time will tell. Being a leader often changes depending upon the group that you are leading. Some people need that pep talk as you describe, and some people need to see a player that is so pissed he canât control his emotions. You see these different leadership qualities in the different coaches and in the workplace. I think if the team doesnât come out and step on the throats of SC Upstate then we know that what he did changed nothing. A passionate person can sometimes lose it when things donât go the way they think it should. Iâve seen it and Iâve done it.
Did Major not pick you or your kid for the squad? Half the stuff you post is Major bashing.
Did Major not pick you or your kid for the squad? Half the stuff you post is Major bashing.[/quote]Sokool.
this whole conversation just makes my head spin. at the peak of most worthy competitive sportsâŚyou find EXQUISITELY CONTROLLED VIOLENCE! which means playing balls-out/under control. (yesâŚi playedâyears ago, but nothing really changes!) loosing your cognitive ability cuts you off from half of whatâs necessary. but if you lack the passionâŚâŚ
my growing concern is that Major gets the cognitive/cerebral part but is disconnected from the in-the-moment passion.
heâs got to be in charge of that too!
[quote=âearlyniner, post:113, topic:28486â]this whole conversation just makes my head spin. at the peak of most worthy competitive sportsâŚyou find EXQUISITELY CONTROLLED VIOLENCE! which means playing balls-out/under control. (yesâŚi playedâyears ago, but nothing really changes!) loosing your cognitive ability cuts you off from half of whatâs necessary. but if you lack the passionâŚâŚ
my growing concern is that Major gets the cognitive/cerebral part but is disconnected from the in-the-moment passion.
heâs got to be in charge of that too![/quote]
Great Post earlyniner !!!
[quote=âearlyniner, post:113, topic:28486â]this whole conversation just makes my head spin. at the peak of most worthy competitive sportsâŚyou find EXQUISITELY CONTROLLED VIOLENCE! which means playing balls-out/under control. (yesâŚi playedâyears ago, but nothing really changes!) loosing your cognitive ability cuts you off from half of whatâs necessary. but if you lack the passionâŚâŚ
my growing concern is that Major gets the cognitive/cerebral part but is disconnected from the in-the-moment passion.
heâs got to be in charge of that too![/quote]
Majorâs style is not my style either. I would have lost it early on for sure. However, he is what we have and hopefully he keeps us going in the right direction.
Did Major not pick you or your kid for the squad? Half the stuff you post is Major bashing.[/quote]Sokool.[/quote]
:)) It makes so much sense now.
Our worst beating ever as a D1 team, & I actually didnât feel bad watching it. It almost seemed like it was happening to another team than us.
Yeah. Strange. Once we got down 24, I emotionally checked out and was aware, but oddly numb and unemotional. Maybe thatâs what happened to the team too. Seemed like it. Movinâ on to the next game. The season just started, yâall. 
[quote=âearlyniner, post:113, topic:28486â]⌠losing your cognitive ability cuts you off from half of whatâs necessary. but if you lack the passionâŚâŚ
my growing concern is that Major gets the cognitive/cerebral part but is disconnected from the in-the-moment passion.
heâs got to be in charge of that too![/quote]
What can you learn by losing that you canât learn while winning?
Humility?[/quote]
Not necessarily humility, but the way everything happened. My guess is we do not see PH do what he did again this year and my guess is Willie will back away from those high elbows. Both will associate those actions with the âhumilityâ of this particular game.