Yeah jcl, like Lefty wrote, why even try for big recruits? Bobby knows we are mediocre so he just seeks out jucos, because for some people, going to the tourney ____ out of ___ times is good enough. How about going to the tourney and advancing? What a concept.
What people here do not realize is that is easier for an out of state transfer student to gain entrance to UNCC than it is for an out of state freshman. That is one reason the JUCO route is taken. The UNC system requirements are changing again this fall and some kids with âdecentâ grades will not be able to be admitted due to not meeting the core minimums. The problem is not going to be just on the Highway 49 campus. At least in-state students should be prepared for this if their guidance counselers help them.
[QUOTE][B]Effective in Fall 2006[/B]
[I]Six course units in language, including
four units in English emphasizing grammar, composition, and literature, and
two units of a language other than English.
Four course units of mathematics**, in any of the following combinations:
algebra I and II, geometry, and one unit beyond algebra II,
algebra I and II, and two units beyond algebra II, or
integrated math I, II, and III, and one unit beyond integrated math III.
(The fourth unit of math affects applicants to all institutions except the North Carolina School of the Arts.) It is recommended that prospective students take a mathematics course unit in the twelfth grade.
Three course units in science, including
at least one unit in a life or biological science (for example, biology),
at least one unit in physical science (for example, physical science, chemistry, physics), and
at least one laboratory course.
Two course units in social studies, including one unit in U.S. history, but an applicant who does not have the unit in U.S. history may be admitted on the condition that at least three semester hours in that subject will be passed by the end of the sophomore year.
- âCourse unitsâ as defined in these requirements may include those high school-level courses taken and passed by an applicant after graduating from high school, as well as those taken while enrolled as a high school student. For some transfer students and students who graduated from high school prior to 1990, special considerations have been made.
** Math Courses with Algebra II as a Prerequisite that meet the new UNC Minimum Course Requirement:
AP Calculus
AP Statistics
Pre Calculus (formerly Advanced Math)
Discrete Mathematics
IB Mathematics Level II
Integrated Mathematics IV
Advanced Functions and Modeling (new course)[/I][/QUOTE]
Source: [URL=http://www.northcarolina.edu/content.php/assessment/reports/student_info/mcr.htm][B]Minimum Course Requirements for Undergraduate Admission to UNC Institutions[/B][/URL], The University of North Carolina
Coach Lutz has done a very good job for the past seven seasons.I agree with some of you on this board about some of his game strategy but to even think about firing him is insane.Sure the teams has sucked this year but its just one season.Every coach has had a down year.I donât agree that this team has great talent.Withers is very good but his free throw shooting and turnovers are a big problem.Just because a player has a few good games donât make him talented.Do it night in and night out makes for a talent player.This team has no leader on the floor.If you notice in team huddles the guy trying to get everybody going is Goldwire.His only a sophmore.
[QUOTE=Max Power;151618]That has been a real problem for us in recent years. Despite having more talent we seem to lose several games every year to really bad teams. That is one thing that has held us back. For whatever reason, Bobby doesnât seem to be able to get his teams motivated to play teams like this. How many times in the last few years have we talked about how our team comes out of the locker room flat? Yes, we still won a lot of those games but not all of them. And the losses really hurt.
We all know that seeding means everything as far as advancing in the NCAA tournament⌠and we always have several bad losses on our resume that hold us back. What seed would we have been last year without the losses to Rutgers, ECU, and USF? Losses like that are going to happen occasionally, but they happen too frequenty for us. We need to consistantly beat the teams we should beat and try to win a few we shouldnât along the way.
Obviously Bobby has a lot of work to do, but I think he has to start with defense. We havenât had a good defensive team in years despite having one of the best defenders in the conference for the last couple of years. All it takes is ball movement and maybe a couple of screens and even mediocre teams can get wide open shots against us. That has to change if we ever want to be a consistant top 25 team. I really wish Bobby would bring in a new assistant just to coach defense.[/QUOTE]
Every team loses to teams they shouldnât that is the nature of college basketball. Ask UNC and Duke, I think most of their fans expected them to beat Santa Clara and Virginia Tech last year. Have we lost games we shouldnât have?? Yes. Have we won games no one expected??? Absolutely. This is a bad year, but you can discount the 7 post season appearances of the Conference USA titles. We have great recruiting class lined up and 1 INCREDIBLE recruiting class lined up. The future is alot brighter than alot of you want to believe.
[QUOTE=LeftyNiner;151616]He/we would definitely have better talent top to bottom in one of those power conferences. Any guy that we recruited that ended up in the ACC, BE, or SEC would have been more likely to play for him. Weâve missed on some major talent and didnât even go after bigtime players because itâs a waste of time. WE have to pick our battles. So yes, I think he would have a better team if he coached in one of those conferences. QUOTE]
Lefty, first I love your loyalty and enthusiasm.
As far as talent, we have an Honorable mention All-American who has excelled in World Competition (Withers), a Top 50 HS kid (Alexander) a NC Player of the Year (Baldwin) and a sophmore guard averaging 12 points per game (Goldwire).
The talent is thereâŚthe system is at fault. For example, do you think the talent is significantly better at Tennessee or West Virginia? Theyâre not stocked with McD all-americans. Weâre pulling from basically the same talent pool as they areâŚand Withers, Alexander and probably Goldwire would start for either of them. The difference is that those teams know how to play the game, which is a direct reflection of the coach. They execute on offense - feed the post, back door cuts, ball movement, player movement, etcâŚplay extremely hard on defense and have a clue what to do in an organized fast break with primary, secondary and tertiary options.
We do NONE of those thingsâŚand itâs a direct reflection of the coach. Do you think the kids at UT & WVU showed up with exceedingly high basketball IQâs? No they were the same kids, who like our players, dominated at the HS level so they didnât need to learn how to play. The difference is that they were TAUGHT how to play once they got in their coachâs system.
From a pure basketball fanâs perspective, it is a pleasure to watch both of those teams play. They both play hard and executeâŚand Pearl and Beilein are the reason. They both took basically the same talent as the previous coach had (Catlett and Peterson) and instilled their own SOUND BASKETBALL PHILOSOPHY and saw immediate improvement.
The problem is Lutz has a FLAWED PHILOSPHY and it is reflected in the play of our team. And sadlyâŚheâs too hard-headed to change.
If we came out and played hard every night and executed basic fundamental basketball, do you think you would hear the number of complaints that have been growing over the past couple of years?
^^^^âIf we came out and played hard every night and executed basic fundamental basketball, do you think you would hear the number of complaints that have been growing over the past couple of years?â
I think if Lutz won 4 national titles and sh*t gold you all would still find something to complain about.
[QUOTE=Jimmyhat49er;151624]Every team loses to teams they shouldnât that is the nature of college basketball. Ask UNC and Duke, I think most of their fans expected them to beat Santa Clara and Virginia Tech last year. Have we lost games we shouldnât have?? Yes. [/QUOTE]
Of course that is the nature of college basketball. As I said in my original post, losses to bad teams are going to happen occasionally but they happen to us far too often. Last year we played 26 regular season games and had 3 losses to teams with RPIs of 150 or worse. In my opinion, that is too many considering the team we had.
If itâs ridiculous to speculate how Lutz would do/would have done somewhere else, then itâs just as ridiculous to presume that someone else will come here and do better than he has. If you donât like the man or his style of coaching, thatâs fine, but donât pretend that the Jesus of the coaching world is waiting to come in here and lift us divinely to the Final Four. Nobody answered my question from before, so Iâm guessing that Mark Few is the only coach out there that can match Bobbyâs record AND that we could afford to pay. If he turned down Stanford and many other big programs, then I donât expect him to come to Charlotte should the head coaching job become vacant.
If Bobby was to catch on fire and we had to replace him with a gettable (not sure we could get Altman, he has a nice set up) coach, I would like pursuing the Dana Altmans or Gregg Marshalls of the world.
Bottom line though, If/when we replace Bobby we will have to take some level of risk unless: We win it all or make a Final Four run.
Every team loses to teams they shouldn't that is the nature of college basketball. Ask UNC and Duke, I think most of their fans expected them to beat Santa Clara and Virginia Tech last year. Have we lost games we shouldn't have?? Yes. Have we won games no one expected??? Absolutely. This is a bad year, but you can discount the 7 post season appearances of the Conference USA titles. We have great recruiting class lined up and 1 INCREDIBLE recruiting class lined up. The future is alot brighter than alot of you want to believe.
I agree JimmyâŚ
[QUOTE=Max Power;151628]Of course that is the nature of college basketball. As I said in my original post, losses to bad teams are going to happen occasionally but they happen to us far too often. Last year we played 26 regular season games and had 3 losses to teams with RPIs of 150 or worse. In my opinion, that is too many considering the team we had.[/QUOTE]
If you always beat who you should beat on paper and lost to who you should lose to, then why play the games? We can just let the computers play all of the games each season. Yes, Iâm being facetious, but almost every year, every team loses a couple of games they shouldnât and win a couple they shouldnât. We beat UAB, Marquette, and Indiana on the road last season, and we were underdogs in each one of those games. This season weâve beat Rutgers and Dayton at their places, and we were 4-5 point underdogs in both games.
We can complain all we want to but it dosenât mean anything.
Lets look at reality,
RPI numbers
Year Record vs Top 50 vs 100-200
2005-2006 (Thus far) 11-8 1-2 3-4
2004-2005 21-7 3-3 7-4
2003-2004 21-8 5-5 8-0
The Year We Do Not Speak Of -------------------------------
2001-2002 18-11 1-7 9-1
2000-2001 21-10 2-2 9-4
Make of it what you will
I think this is a brilliant point, we need to fire Lutz and Hire Izzo. Problem solved, let me book my tickets to the final 4 right now. Hell forget Izzo (He had a bad year 2 years ago) lets hire Coach K. I think all we need is an Athletic Director with your keen insight and ability to spot diamond in the rough coaching talent and we will be will on our way to greatness.
The point was Mr. Sarcasm that Coach Izzo regardless of the talent always has teams that are fundamentally solid. Have you ever watch how his guys repost Paul Davis. How they swing the ball? How they space the court? My point is that a great Coach is the bigger difference. Great players are rare. Adam Morrison and JJ Redick are the only 2 great players in the NCAA right now. The fine line between good and average is the coach. Point in case Tennessee. One coach made a much greater impact than the players.
For everyone who claims that Beasley is our savior. If I may point out that Rodney White had Jobey Thomas, Diego Guevarra, Cam Stephens and many other talented players and we still werenât a very good basketball team. Beasley wonât be THAT much better than Rodney chances are. If we want this team to make a serious run, we have to think about changing the man in charge. Maybe not now, but in the future.
If it's ridiculous to speculate how Lutz would do/would have done somewhere else, then it's just as ridiculous to presume that someone else will come here and do better than he has.
Who is disputing that? When I said Leftyâs assumption was ridiculous, I said it made as little sense as my point about Coach K coming here and making a difference.
I'm so sick of this ridiculous excuse. It's complete speculation to assume that Bobby would do any better if he were in one of those conferences. By your logic, I can also say that Coach K would do far more with our current team than what Bobby is doing with it.
It's all a bunch of "what if's" and there is absolutely ZERO sound evidence support your claim about Bobby [B]or mine about Coach K.[/B]
My whole point is that you canât sit here and say âif Bobby could recruit from this pool of talentâŚif player x hadnât gone to school x instead of usâŚif Rodney hadnât left earlyâŚif Iti had lived up to the hypedâŚâ Those things are the nature of college sports. They happen to everyone. But some people here tend to lean on those excuses far too much to justify our shortcomings.
My whole point is that you can't sit here and say "if Bobby could recruit from this pool of talent...if player x hadn't gone to school x instead of us...if Rodney hadn't left early...if Iti had lived up to the hyped...."
I have looked into my crystal ball and determined had the above happened weâd be a Final Four team. Do not doubt me.
I also saw that had Billy Packer not had that one night of failed judgement with a hippo we wouldnât have to listen to fudge everyday.:scared:
[QUOTE=X-49er;151636]If you always beat who you should beat on paper and lost to who you should lose to, then why play the games? We can just let the computers play all of the games each season. Yes, Iâm being facetious, but almost every year, every team loses a couple of games they shouldnât and win a couple they shouldnât. We beat UAB, Marquette, and Indiana on the road last season, and we were underdogs in each one of those games. This season weâve beat Rutgers and Dayton at their places, and we were 4-5 point underdogs in both games.[/QUOTE]
:huh:
My point was this:
Everyone wants to advance to the second weekend of the NCAA tournament. Odds of doing that from a 7-10 seed are not good and when you lose to three 150+ teams in one season, a 7 seed is pretty much a best case scenario.
Iâm not claiming that there should never be any upsets in college basketball. There always will be and that is part of what makes the game exciting. You just have to limit the number of times that it happens and you canât afford to lose to teams as bad as ECU was last year (they had 7 wins all year and an RPI around 200). It just seems like we have several games a year where the team doesnât show up. It is Bobbyâs job to get the team ready to play every game no matter who the opponent is.
I also saw that had Billy Packer not had that one night of failed judgement with a hippo we wouldn't have to listen to fudge everyday.:scared:
Thatâs an insult to the hippo. She was drunk and turned on when Billy turned into Mr. Cash in the motel room.
As far as talent, we have an Honorable mention All-American who has excelled in World Competition (Withers), a Top 50 HS kid (Alexander) a NC Player of the Year (Baldwin) and a sophmore guard averaging 12 points per game (Goldwire).The talent is thereâŚthe system is at fault. For example, do you think the talent is significantly better at Tennessee or West Virginia? Theyâre not stocked with McD all-americans. Weâre pulling from basically the same talent pool as they areâŚand Withers, Alexander and probably Goldwire would start for either of them. The difference is that those teams know how to play the game, which is a direct reflection of the coach. They execute on offense - feed the post, back door cuts, ball movement, player movement, etcâŚplay extremely hard on defense and have a clue what to do in an organized fast break with primary, secondary and tertiary options.
We do NONE of those thingsâŚand itâs a direct reflection of the coach. Do you think the kids at UT & WVU showed up with exceedingly high basketball IQâs? No they were the same kids, who like our players, dominated at the HS level so they didnât need to learn how to play. The difference is that they were TAUGHT how to play once they got in their coachâs system.
From a pure basketball fanâs perspective, it is a pleasure to watch both of those teams play. They both play hard and executeâŚand Pearl and Beilein are the reason. They both took basically the same talent as the previous coach had (Catlett and Peterson) and instilled their own SOUND BASKETBALL PHILOSOPHY and saw immediate improvement.
The problem is Lutz has a FLAWED PHILOSPHY and it is reflected in the play of our team. And sadlyâŚheâs too hard-headed to change.
If we came out and played hard every night and executed basic fundamental basketball, do you think you would hear the number of complaints that have been growing over the past couple of years?
Great postâŚwhether you disagree or not about lutz, this is dead on it. 
Iâve had the pleasure of watching almost every home game since '98. I love what Bobby DIDâŚDID!!! Great memories, good times. But bottom line and itâs standadrd accross the board in all sportsâŚWHAT HAVE YOU DONE LATELY?? Actually this is true in all work places. Thatâs great you were sales man of the year, IT guy of the year, coach of the yearâŚBACK 3,4,5 whatever years ago. What have you done lately?? I continue to back the team,BUT Iâm ready for a change unless ol Lutz can show me something special this next month. Iâm talkin dominating at home 0 losses here and maybe 1 road loss thatâs it. Coach like you got a set and show you have control over this team not just physcally but mentally as well.
Like I said,
There is a reason Pearl got that job at UT. Look at what heâs done there this yearâŚTHIS YEAR! Not even his players and still, he gets the damn job done.
If I were a coach who didnât get picked or had a chance to turn something down, Iâd be PISSED! You work harder, you study film harder, you make the kids work harder, you donât show what you have shown with this team. You just DONâT.
Itâs like getting fired from a job but instead of looking for a job, you go and collect unemploymentâŚ