Huggy Bear

[X-49er]

@Charlotte2002

[quote=“X-49er, post:95, topic:22957”][quote=“Charlotte2002, post:91, topic:22957”][quote=“X-49er, post:89, topic:22957”][quote=“Charlotte2002, post:88, topic:22957”][quote=“X-49er, post:85, topic:22957”][quote=“Powerbait, post:81, topic:22957”][quote=“X-49er, post:80, topic:22957”]I never said it was a “career ender”, but it usually is (and should be) a major detour to the long road back. People can change and many see the wrongs of there ways. Many kids make stupid mistakes and mature to never make them again. Huggy hasn’t been caught drinking and driving since his 2nd DUI in 2004, but the arrogance and assholeishness is still very much there. He hasn’t humbled one bit after that whole ordeal.

So? What does humility have to do with doing his job? [/quote]

It’s about having some integrity, some character, and not acting like you think you’re better than sliced bread.

@Powerbait

Who is a humble college basketball coach? On top of that, who is a successful basketball coach that is humble?

Here’s a few that came to mind without looking at a list:

Brad Stevens, Skip Prosser (RIP), Tom Izzo, Mark Few, Tony Bennett, Paul Hewitt, Roy Williams, Herb Sendek, Mark Fox, Brice Drew, Jim Boeheim, and Bobby Lutz. Those are the ones that I have seen in action that I would want to play for or wouldn’t mind my kid playing for.

Here are the opposites:

John Calipari, Dave Bliss, Jim Harrick, Bobby Knight, Bob Huggins, Frank Martin, Quinn Snyder, and Kelvin Sampson.

Can you see the difference in the two lists? Both lists have lots of wins, but there is a right way and wrong way to do it.

@Powerbait

What I like about Huggins is that he is always himself. Lots of coaches have their public faces and play the publicity game.

I’ll give you that. He’s a full-time ass.[/quote]

Are you joking me?

Do you know these coaches personally? What makes Frank Martin such a bad guy to be grouped with the likes of Dave Bliss?[/quote]

Do you really need to meet Dave Bliss, Bobby Knight, or Jim Harrick to know how they are as people? Do you really need to meet Frank Martin to know who he is? If you do, then you are much shallower than I gave you credit for.

@Charlotte2002

And again you missed my point. You can’t comprehend someone in the top 0.5% of a field, because you will never meet one and you are not one. Reality bites.

How do you know I’m not someone in the top 0.5% of my field? Do you know me personally? Do you know what I do for a living? Reality is very good, thank you very much.[/quote]

I know you are not in the top 0.5% of anything, other than maybe being holier than thou. If you were in the top 0.5% you wouldn’t have the time to post on here all day.[/quote]

Again, you are assuming. You don’t know. You are blasting me for doing the same thing you just did. That’s the epitome of hypocritical.[/quote]

I said you were in the top 0.5% of holier than thou because you have demonstrated on a number of occasions to act that way. [/quote]

Nice spin, but it doesn’t make any damn sense.

@Charlotte2002

Again, I’ll use Frank Martin as an example. What makes him in the same group as Dave Bliss?

Coaches that aren’t humble. That was the question 'Bait asked some 11 quotes ago. I answered with some opposites to go with the actuals. No, Martin isn’t in the complete slimeball category, yet.

[system]

Roy Williams is humble? Since when?

Didn’t Jim Boehiem say that they scheduled our school because he wanted an easy win?

I don’t know anyone that has met Bobby Lutz that doesn’t think he is at least a little arrogant.

I would also say that Dean Smith, John Wooden, Adolph Rupp, Bob Knight, Coach K, Rick Pitino, and Billy Donovan are arrogant pricks.

[CharSFNiners]

[quote=“Powerbait, post:102, topic:22957”]Roy Williams is humble? Since when?

Didn’t Jim Boehiem say that they scheduled our school because he wanted an easy win?

I don’t know anyone that has met Bobby Lutz that doesn’t think he is at least a little arrogant.

I would also say that Dean Smith, John Wooden, Adolph Rupp, Bob Knight, Coach K, Rick Pitino, and Billy Donovan are arrogant pricks.[/quote]

I think sometimes people misread confidence as arrogance/cockiness. Many of the coaches you listed were arrogant. My dad who interviewed Dean Smith a few times has told me he was a prick, Rupp was a racist prick, Knight is old school and I believe misunderstood (with a temper), and well Rick Pitino will do it on your kitchen table.

I’ve never heard a bad thing about Wooden, but he’s from another generation before my time. And while I know K can have some arrogance to him, who wouldn’t with the constant bashing and hate that comes towards his players and his school. My dad has interviewed him before and told me he was always gracious and would answer your questions (although not as available as Valvano), and he does plenty for charities and things on the side you rarely hear about, as I’m sure many of these coaches do.

In the end, most of these guys have to have a thick skin (which can seem arrogant), and sometimes telling the difference between someone who sincerely wants a question answered, and wants to walk you into a corner you can’t back out of is murky at best. As well, many of these guys are highly successful and the only thing people sometimes like better than to watch someone succeed is to watch a successful person fail.

[Charlotte2002]

[quote=“Powerbait, post:102, topic:22957”]Roy Williams is humble? Since when?

Didn’t Jim Boehiem say that they scheduled our school because he wanted an easy win?

I don’t know anyone that has met Bobby Lutz that doesn’t think he is at least a little arrogant.

I would also say that Dean Smith, John Wooden, Adolph Rupp, Bob Knight, Coach K, Rick Pitino, and Billy Donovan are arrogant pricks.[/quote]

Just let X live in his bubble.

[system]

[quote=“CharSFNiners, post:103, topic:22957”]I think sometimes people misread confidence as arrogance/cockiness. Many of the coaches you listed were arrogant. My dad who interviewed Dean Smith a few times has told me he was a prick, Rupp was a racist prick, Knight is old school and I believe misunderstood (with a temper), and well Rick Pitino will do it on your kitchen table.

I’ve never heard a bad thing about Wooden, but he’s from another generation before my time. And while I know K can have some arrogance to him, who wouldn’t with the constant bashing and hate that comes towards his players and his school. My dad has interviewed him before and told me he was always gracious and would answer your questions (although not as available as Valvano), and he does plenty for charities and things on the side you rarely hear about, as I’m sure many of these coaches do.

In the end, most of these guys have to have a thick skin (which can seem arrogant), and sometimes telling the difference between someone who sincerely wants a question answered, and wants to walk you into a corner you can’t back out of is murky at best. As well, many of these guys are highly successful and the only thing people sometimes like better than to watch someone succeed is to watch a successful person fail.[/quote]

I don’t mind arrogance, especially if you earn it. Hating a coach for being arrogant is stupid to me. Most coaches are arrogant. Most successful people are. If you’re really great at something and you excell at it, people are going to remind you of that constantly. It is rare to find someone who is great at something that is actually humble. If you work in any job that has any kind of competition, most of the people who are good at it are going to seem arrogant.

There is nothing wrong with taking pride in your work. There is nothing wrong with celebrating being a winner.

[X-49er]

[quote=“Charlotte2002, post:104, topic:22957”][quote=“Powerbait, post:102, topic:22957”]Roy Williams is humble? Since when?

Didn’t Jim Boehiem say that they scheduled our school because he wanted an easy win?

I don’t know anyone that has met Bobby Lutz that doesn’t think he is at least a little arrogant.

I would also say that Dean Smith, John Wooden, Adolph Rupp, Bob Knight, Coach K, Rick Pitino, and Billy Donovan are arrogant pricks.[/quote]

Just let X live in his bubble.[/quote]

…and keep your lying hypocritical self out of it.

[X-49er]

@Powerbait

Roy Williams is humble? Since when?

If you want to accuse him of being falsely modest, then stick with that putdown like most people who despise UNC-CH. I just haven’t seen him exude the arrogance of any of the others you listed below, and I didn’t list any of them in my original post.

@Powerbait

Didn’t Jim Boehiem say that they scheduled our school because he wanted an easy win?

I really don’t believe Boeheim would be stupid enough to say that even if he thought it. Link?

@Powerbait

I don’t know anyone that has met Bobby Lutz that doesn’t think he is at least a little arrogant.

Confident, as CharSF said? Yes. Arrogant? Not that I’ve seen. I’ve met him on a couple of occasions and he did not come off that way to me. Bobby coached sometimes like he had a chip on his shoulder, but that never came off as arrogance to me.

@Powerbait

I would also say that Dean Smith, John Wooden, Adolph Rupp, Bob Knight, Coach K, Rick Pitino, and Billy Donovan are arrogant pricks.

Be careful. 2002 might scold you for judging them. Thee must not do that.

[cdsniner]

If you want to accuse him of being falsely modest, then stick with thatputdown like most people who despise UNC-CH. I just haven't seen himexude the arrogance of any of the others you listed below, and I didn'tlist any of them in my original post.

I would say that any coach that throws an opposing fan out of the arena is arrogant. I would call a coach that compares his struggling team to earthquake victims in Haiti as being arrogant. A coach that did both within a 3 month span I would consider extremely arrogant.

[919R]

[quote=“cdsniner, post:108, topic:22957”]

If you want to accuse him of being falsely modest, then stick with thatputdown like most people who despise UNC-CH. I just haven’t seen himexude the arrogance of any of the others you listed below, and I didn’tlist any of them in my original post.

I would say that any coach that throws an opposing fan out of the arena is arrogant. I would call a coach that compares his struggling team to earthquake victims in Haiti as being arrogant. A coach that did both within a 3 month span I would consider extremely arrogant.[/quote]

This…

[X-49er]

@cdsniner

I would say that any coach that throws an opposing fan out of the arena is arrogant.

There was a multi-page thread on OUR board about that. The haters say the guy said nothing out of line. Others say the guy got tossed for something else. I wasn’t there, so I don’t know.

@cdsniner

I would call a coach that compares his struggling team to earthquake victims in Haiti as being arrogant.

Arrogance? More like a bad example. Arrogance is putting yourself above the Haitians, not comparing your situation to theirs. I don’t agree with him using the comparison, but don’t see it as arrogant.

[wakeniner]

You gotta admit Huggy Bear has the worst luck. He loses Kenyon Martin for the NCAA tourney when he had his best team ever at Cincy.
Now he loses his best player at West Virginia to a torn ACL during the game in a Final Four!

[allie49er]

[quote=“wakeniner, post:111, topic:22957”]You gotta admit Huggy Bear has the worst luck. He loses Kenyon Martin for the NCAA tourney when he had his best team ever at Cincy.
Now he loses his best player at West Virginia to a torn ACL during the game in a Final Four![/quote]

I really don’t think they had a shot at winning that game even with Butler in it. They were down by 12 I believe and weren’t able to stop West Virginia at that point.

[Normmm]

Roy=arrogant. Dean Smith, I don’t think so.

[Normmm]

[quote=“allie49er, post:112, topic:22957”][quote=“wakeniner, post:111, topic:22957”]You gotta admit Huggy Bear has the worst luck. He loses Kenyon Martin for the NCAA tourney when he had his best team ever at Cincy.
Now he loses his best player at West Virginia to a torn ACL during the game in a Final Four![/quote]

I really don’t think they had a shot at winning that game even with Butler in it. They were down by 12 I believe and weren’t able to stop West Virginia at that point.[/quote]

Just for my peace of mind, because I was thinking Duke had the game in hand too. It looks like Duke had a 15 point lead at the time of Butler’s injury (9:22 mark).

http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/2010/04/03/west-virginia-57-duke-78/flow

[system]

[quote=“Normmm, post:113, topic:22957”]Roy=arrogant. Dean Smith, I don’t think so.[/quote]It’s a douche move not to play in-state non-conference teams. But to the victor goes the spoils I guess.

[cdsniner]

@X-49er

[quote=“cdsniner, post:108, topic:22957”]I would say that any coach that throws an opposing fan out of the arena is arrogant.

There was a multi-page thread on OUR board about that. The haters say the guy said nothing out of line. Others say the guy got tossed for something else. I wasn’t there, so I don’t know.

@cdsniner

I would call a coach that compares his struggling team to earthquake victims in Haiti as being arrogant.

Arrogance? More like a bad example. Arrogance is putting yourself above the Haitians, not comparing your situation to theirs. I don’t agree with him using the comparison, but don’t see it as arrogant.[/quote]

Ok I’ll bite.

When your team is up by 40 against a scrub team and you throw out a fan for saying don’t miss a free throw then you are arrogant. You don’t think having 3 cops drag an opposing fan out of the stands is a little over the top for saying don’t miss a free throw? And of course the Carolina fans are going to say the guy was acting up just like our fans would say how Xavier or Dayton fans do when they heckle our team in Halton.

I really don’t understand your second point at all. So your saying that comparing the loss of life to the loss of basketball games is not arrogant because he isn’t saying he is above them? Obviously he is if he thinks him losing basketball games remotely compares to the loss of 230,000 lives.

[EE9er]

@cdsniner

[quote=“X-49er, post:110, topic:22957”][quote=“cdsniner, post:108, topic:22957”]I would say that any coach that throws an opposing fan out of the arena is arrogant.

There was a multi-page thread on OUR board about that. The haters say the guy said nothing out of line. Others say the guy got tossed for something else. I wasn’t there, so I don’t know.

@cdsniner

I would call a coach that compares his struggling team to earthquake victims in Haiti as being arrogant.

Arrogance? More like a bad example. Arrogance is putting yourself above the Haitians, not comparing your situation to theirs. I don’t agree with him using the comparison, but don’t see it as arrogant.[/quote]

Ok I’ll bite.

When your team is up by 40 against a scrub team and you throw out a fan for saying don’t miss a free throw then you are arrogant. You don’t think having 3 cops drag an opposing fan out of the stands is a little over the top for saying don’t miss a free throw? And of course the Carolina fans are going to say the guy was acting up just like our fans would say how Xavier or Dayton fans do when they heckle our team in Halton.

I really don’t understand your second point at all. So your saying that comparing the loss of life to the loss of basketball games is not arrogant because he isn’t saying he is above them? Obviously he is if he thinks him losing basketball games remotely compares to the loss of 230,000 lives.[/quote]

Don’t bother cds… X is a closet Tar Hole… he’s shown it on here for the last few years…

[X-49er]

@cdsniner

I really don’t understand your second point at all. So your saying that comparing the loss of life to the loss of basketball games is not arrogant because he isn’t saying he is above them? Obviously he is if he thinks him losing basketball games remotely compares to the loss of 230,000 lives.

Like a said, it was a bad comparision.

Main Entry: [b]ar·ro·gance[/b] Pronunciation: \ˈer-ə-gən(t)s, ˈa-rə-\Function: [i]noun[/i] Date: 14th century[b]:[/b] [b]an attitude of superiority[/b] manifested in an overbearing manner or in presumptuous claims or assumptions

Comparing yourself to the Haitians with what they were/are going through is not exuding an “attitude of superiority”. Find another word.

Don't bother cds... X is a closet Tar Hole... he's shown it on here for the last few years....

Uh…no. Try again. You must have me confused with someone else. Have another beer.

[hootie]

@Normmm

Roy=arrogant. Dean Smith, I don’t think so.

Dude, Dean was and is extremely arrogant, not that I think that precludes anything.

Only issue with this discussion I take is with Wooden- I’ve never heard anyone that knows him utter a bad word about him.

[Normmm]

@NLP

[quote=“Normmm, post:113, topic:22957”]Roy=arrogant. Dean Smith, I don’t think so.[/quote]It’s a douche move not to play in-state non-conference teams. But to the victor goes the spoils I guess.

Good point. However, I also can see the point of having nothing to gain by playing us. While I don’t like it, I understand it.