I never heard about whitehurst decommitting.
thats good to hear though!
I never heard about whitehurst decommitting.thats good to hear though!
No itās not. Itās not at all.
Next year we will have a very young, inexperienced frontcourt. Say the A-10 referees blow 25 whistles on us in a game. Say we have to take out Phil very early in the game due to foul trouble. Thatās scary. Iād love to have a JUCO on the bench with 5 fouls to give that can play center. I applaud picking up Gaby - great upside - but I think heāll be quite the project in the beginning.
To be honest, Iām not to excited over Lamont Mack. There isnāt much about 15 pts and 6 rebounds at the JUCO level to say immediate impact at the D1 level. As someone else made the point, it usually takes just over a year or so for a JUCO player to become totally accustomed to this level of college ball, and by that time he only has less than a year left to play for us.
Since we are currently reaping what we have sewn with regards to multiple JUCOās in the past, I think we just need to go on and take our lumps now with the young 4 year players, and take our chances with a bunch of kids that have been in the system for 3 or 4 years later on.
[QUOTE=ice_cold49er;217587]To be honest, Iām not to excited over Lamont Mack. There isnāt much about 15 pts and 6 rebounds at the JUCO level to say immediate impact at the D1 level. As someone else made the point, it usually takes just over a year or so for a JUCO player to become totally accustomed to this level of college ball, and by that time he only has less than a year left to play for us.
Since we are currently reaping what we have sewn with regards to multiple JUCOās in the past, I think we just need to go on and take our lumps now with the young 4 year players, and take our chances with a bunch of kids that have been in the system for 3 or 4 years later on.[/QUOTE]
No offense but the coaches have seen Mack in action and think he can help us immediately. Weāre under .500 and losing 5 seniors. Weāve taken enough lumps.
Itās hard to not want someone with the last name āMackā come to play bball for your school. Just based on the name alone, there are wonderful possibilitiesā¦ Possible nicknames: The truck, Semi, etc.
[QUOTE=NinerATL2CHA;217590]Itās hard to not want someone with the last name āMackā come to play bball for your school. Just based on the name alone, there are wonderful possibilitiesā¦ Possible nicknames: The truck, Semi, etc.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like an effective replacment for Dump Truckā¦ on the nickname front
[QUOTE=ice_cold49er;217587]To be honest, Iām not to excited over Lamont Mack. There isnāt much about 15 pts and 6 rebounds at the JUCO level to say immediate impact at the D1 level. As someone else made the point, it usually takes just over a year or so for a JUCO player to become totally accustomed to this level of college ball, and by that time he only has less than a year left to play for us.
Since we are currently reaping what we have sewn with regards to multiple JUCOās in the past, I think we just need to go on and take our lumps now with the young 4 year players, and take our chances with a bunch of kids that have been in the system for 3 or 4 years later on.[/QUOTE]
As others have said, letās wait and see. Cam Stephens averaged 12.5 and 11.8 at Vincennes before his arrival. It translated to 7.8 and 7.8 as a junior, and 13.2 and 9.3 as a senior. Zimmerman averaged 9.1 and 6.0 his senior season, and thereās not anyone in their right mind who wouldnāt want either of those two guys back (or players like them). The proof will be in the pudding.
possible depth chart for next year
pg gerrity(second semester), carlos, lee, jerrell lewis
sg lee, anderson, dewhurst, barnett,
sf wilderness, phaler, booker, dewhurst, mack
pf gaby, wilderness, booker, mack
c phil, gaby, mack
No offense but the coaches have seen Mack in action and think he can help us immediately. We're under .500 and losing 5 seniors. We've taken enough lumps.
Well, the coaches have seen all the JUCOās weāve had in action, and thought they could help immediately, but it rarely works out that way. Typically, it has taken over a year for these players to make great impact. So, looking at things as they normally progress, which would you rather have: 1. A player that comes in, plays here for a year, and starts to make an impact but only has a year or less of eligibility left, or 2. A player that comes in, plays here for a year and a half, and starts to make an impact and has two and a half years of eligibility left?
I just believe, based on our recent (since the major influx of young talent in the NBA) history and most other D1 teams recent history with JUCOās, that Lamont Mack will not make an impact as fast as the coaches are leading fans to believe. Once the NBA started taking a great deal of young guys into the league, the quality of JUCO players has deminished. There are truly only 1 or 2 JUCOās who are actually able to make an immediate impact at the D1 college level. So, even most of the guys that are 1st team JUCO All-Americans turn out to be average players at major universities (and thatās after developing after a year of D1 ball).
No offense but the coaches have seen Mack in action and think he can help us immediately. We're under .500 and losing 5 seniors. We've taken enough lumps.
No offenseā¦but didnāt the coaches watch and think the same about:
Iti
Phaler
Booker
Carlos
etc
Itās still a crap shootā¦itās recruiting. They may pan out and they may not. We wonāt be sure until they get here and actually play. Everything else is speculationā¦the only FACT is that our coaches seem to be MISSING alot more than they have been HITTING lately.
So the only logical conclusion one can make isā¦if they have missed on so many lately, what makes you think they got this one right??
[QUOTE=ninerfan55;217606]possible depth chart for next year
pg gerrity(second semester), carlos, lee, jerrell lewis
sg lee, anderson, dewhurst, barnett,
sf wilderness, phaler, booker, dewhurst, mack
pf gaby, wilderness, booker, mack
c phil, gaby, mack[/QUOTE]
I canāt beleive you are putting unkown talent from FRESHMEN, above that of the likes of Booker, and Dewhurst. These Kids came here to play, and next year they WILL get their chance. count on it.
You have to respect your elders.
[QUOTE=ninerfan55;217606]possible depth chart for next year
pg gerrity(second semester), carlos, lee, jerrell lewis
sg lee, anderson, dewhurst, barnett,
sf wilderness, phaler, booker, dewhurst, mack
pf gaby, wilderness, booker, mack
c phil, gaby, mack[/QUOTE]
Good Try buddy, Hereās a more reliable depth chart:
PG- Gerrity (2nd semester), Carlos, Lee, J Lew
SG- Lee, Andersen (not spelled with an O), Dewhurst, Barnett
SF- Dewhurst, Mack (If we get him), Phaler, Wilderness
PF- Booker, Wilderness, Gaby, Mack
C- Phil, Gaby
Gaby more than likely will see more time at the 5 when Big Phil is getting a breather/foul trouble. I doubt you want Mack playing the 5 (Booker would be more suited for the 5. Wilderness will fill in the 4 for Booker when needed as well as another (Mack?).
No offense....but didn't the coaches watch and think the same about: Iti Phaler Booker Carlos etcItās still a crap shootā¦itās recruiting. They may pan out and they may not. We wonāt be sure until they get here and actually play. Everything else is speculationā¦the only FACT is that our coaches seem to be MISSING alot more than they have been HITTING lately.
So the only logical conclusion one can make isā¦if they have missed on so many lately, what makes you think they got this one right??
Agree.
Iām just wondering when the next JUCO Steve Francis will come around. I know heās a cancer in the NBA but he put Maryland back on the map himself years ago.
[QUOTE=ninerfan55;217606]possible depth chart for next year
pg gerrity(second semester), carlos, lee, jerrell lewis
sg lee, anderson, dewhurst, barnett,
sf wilderness, phaler, booker, dewhurst, mack
pf gaby, wilderness, booker, mack
c phil, gaby, mack[/QUOTE]
Will yāall please stop putting higher expectations in the incoming frosh! Yes, stats say they are better than the current competition, but how do they compare to those same guysā incoming stat sheets? No one, including the players, have any clue how they will perform in D1A College ball. Gerrity is the most certain, but not even a lock there.
calm down everybody it was just a post not the starting lineup for next year. stop acting like it is ridiculous to put a guy like wilderness above dewhurst, which im not necessarily saying we should. dewhurst is gonna be a redshirt freshmen next season who didnt prove anything. stop acting like he is a seasoned veteran.
[QUOTE=ninerfan55;217606]possible depth chart for next year
pg gerrity(second semester), carlos, lee, jerrell lewis
sg lee, anderson, dewhurst, barnett,
sf wilderness, phaler, booker, dewhurst, mack
pf gaby, wilderness, booker, mack
c phil, gaby, mack[/QUOTE]
If we sign Mack and no one else, then heāll split time at the 3/4 and Gaby wonāt play any 4 as weāll need him to split time with Phil. Also, weāre really going to play a 4 guard offense again. None of our 4ās will be true posts.
[edit]- actually Iāll agree with Ninerballinās depth chart with a couple of changes:
[QUOTE=Ninerballin;217628]Good Try buddy, Hereās a more reliable depth chart:
PG- Gerrity (2nd semester), Carlos
SG- Lee, Andersen, Barnett
SF- Dewhurst, Mack, Wilderness
PF- Booker, Wilderness, Mack
C- Phil, Gaby[/QUOTE]
Mack, Wilderness, Ian, & Gaby will basicly be our bench, plus Barnett if heās ready right away. Any of them could outplay the guys in front of them and earn a starterās nod by seasonās end, although I think Lutz is still gonna play all of those guys first semester to see who can really play. Ian would start if we didnt have el capitan threemire.
Anyway you look at this, next year is gonna be a whole lot of fun. Expectations will not be very high so we can just sit back and watch these new guys prove themselves. Everything else will fall into place. Maybe this team will exceed our expectations.
why wouldnt we have gaby play some 4 and some 5. which may be a lot for a freshmen, but it seems that these are the positions that he is best suited for from his writeup.
[QUOTE=ninerfan55;217680]why wouldnt we have gaby play some 4 and some 5. which may be a lot for a freshmen, but it seems that these are the positions that he is best suited for from his writeup.[/QUOTE]
Because he is a shotblocker, and someone has to play the 5 with Phil, or else Phil is gonna get exhausted and be terrified to play on either end for fear of committing fouls.
Other than those reasonsā¦ no reason. :wacko:
I think ninerfan55 got it pretty right on, with the exception of PF. I think weād see a SF in Mack getting playing time at the 5 with 2 centers - much like how we have a SF(Drayton) getting playing time right now at the 5 with 2 centers. Fouls are a bitch.