Light Rail

basically you could have found a park and ride and taken a bus that would have gotten you there faster, for the same price, for the last couple of years. I love how a ton of people, outside of this board included, is like "oh we got to the panther game for only $1.30, that is way cheaper than parking!". Transit in this town didn't start yesterday. You basically now have something that is "good enough for you" in a train (not you in general, but people who are willing to ride a brand new train, but not a bus that John Rocker would describe). You are taking the train more as a novelty than the fact it gets you to point A to point B, in an efficient and effective way.

Even a Chevy Aveo comes with a new car smell.

I don’t entirely disagree, but I don’t entirely agree either. If you compare the same bus route on South Blvd. (I’ve ridden it before for several days when my car was receiving repairs) as to the parallel rail line, the bus goes 1) at a slower top speed 2) makes much more frequent stops 3) has to contend with other vehicular traffic. Points 2 and 3 are especially problematic when trying to cut down on commute time, as there’s frequently accidents and construction (seems like a water main breaks weekly) on South Blvd. that ties things up.

[QUOTE=stonecoldken;270984]I can’t believe y’all are using the corporate sell-out machine. Way to work for the man.[/QUOTE]

So are you riding a horse, barefoot, on dirt trails to work? If not then you too already work for the man. I’m guessing you didn’t grow your car in your backyard garden.

[U]Actually it won't do much at all for congestion.[/U] If the maximum rate of people ride the line each day then you still are barely putting a dent in the problem. Roads are going to be widened people watch and see. Guess who will be paying for that too? With as many people that are on 85, 77, 485 each day, Light Rail simply can't haul enough people to help congestion.

BTW, I liken light rail to a new ride in the amusement park right now. It’s new and everyone wants to ride it. But what about a year from now, 5 years from now. The only way they see sustained ridership is because of the the increasing population. I would like to see what kind of dropoff they will have in the next few months (that should be an interesting graph).

Where did I say it would decrease congestion? The same amount of cars or more will be out there, but in proportion to the surrounding population, if done correctly it will hold or possibly decrease. Obviously, if more people come in and shopping/commercial is along the corridor, cars will increase by number.

I’ve really never seen the argument in the widening of the highway. Yes, it will happen, but that’s b/c the train doesn’t serve all of those who would/could use it. For the train to make a dent it’s infrastructure would have to rival that of DC, which will not happen for some time. The point of the rail as of right now is to decrease the problems within the heart of the city. Why? B/c South Blvd. cannot expand anymore, nor can Tryon, or would you prefer them to demolish half a block and give you a 8 lane path through center city? It will and should help within it’s immediate vicinity, and hopefully reach even further in the future.

Can we stop with any major metro/megalopolis comparisons since the trains infrastructure is no where near it at this initial time.

I wouldn’t compare it to an amusement park ride, if anything I’d expect to see ridership increase over a period of time. Not just b/c of increasing population, but b/c as it was mentioned before, not everything is working at total capacity. I wouldn’t be surprised if after a few months there is a spike in ridership, or to see it sway with the seasons (I know yesterday I would have hated to wait for it), or for everyone to forget about it as you mentioned.

You’re right Metro. Do you like that? A bunch of shopping and restaurants will pop up, but if you can park on the south side of the city and ride the train in to an area that is VERY pedestrian friendly to eat, shop, and do whatever, wouldn’t you do that? Over driving from one place to the next and so on and so on, in your heavy traffic?

I agree with you though that it should have been along Tryon and/or I-77, but as you mentioned they used the existing rail lines. If I recall, there was some talk of a commuter train that uses the old rail lines that run near 77 to run a line up to Davidson/Mooresville. What’s the word on that?

Sometimes I wonder if people just want to see this thing fail so they can say I told you so… either way you’re not getting your money back.

[QUOTE=metro;271311]to me that is so intellectually dishonest. It will not effect confestion now or in the future on the south side. Had the rail been built along I77 or I85, I agree it would help (ie ATL or DC). But a train track going up South Blvd does so little to traffic flow. As I have said above, I am not anti light rail, I just hate some of the lazy straw man arguments such as congestion improvement. Most of the people who are going to ride the rail were on a bus already. I think the rail could AD TO CONGESTION. If they build some cool restaurants and shopping, I know my wife and I will be driving to South Blvd to eat/shop there. :lmao:

regardless of the “congestion” spin, it was built to funnel dollars into certain places, such as City of Charlotte property tax income, and the likes of Harvey Gantt-types who will profit off all the engineering and architecture required.[/QUOTE]

So your not opposed to it helping development. You just wish people would admit that rather than saying it’s for congestion? Because I don’t see what’s wrong with redeveloping South Blvd, bringing in new business, etc. South Blvd was going in the wrong direction. If light rail helps with “beautifying” a city I say kudos.

[QUOTE=Ninerballin;271563]Actually it won’t do much at all for congestion. If the maximum rate of people ride the line each day then you still are barely putting a dent in the problem. Roads are going to be widened people watch and see. Guess who will be paying for that too? With as many people that are on 85, 77, 485 each day, Light Rail simply can’t haul enough people to help congestion.

BTW, I liken light rail to a new ride in the amusement park right now. It’s new and everyone wants to ride it. But what about a year from now, 5 years from now. The only way they see sustained ridership is because of the the increasing population. I would like to see what kind of dropoff they will have in the next few months (that should be an interesting graph).[/QUOTE]

If light rail encourages a town home development to be built along the line, instead of being built in Fort Mill, Ballantyne or Highland Creek, how does that not help congestion?

[URL]http://www.charlotte.com/112/story/379954.html[/URL]

Ridership Projections for first year: 9100 per day
First Day: 4000-5000 riders.

It will be interesting to see what ridership was today, i’ll give them a holiday break for yesterday, but you would think that the first day would be strong. But hey, numbers and projections don’t matter with the light rail crowd.

One interesting thing with the “world class city”/ Washington DC has it…Parking at lots for the Lynx is $Free.99, you have to pay for parking in DC.

Well NinerWupAss, I’m a native NCian. In case you didn’t notice from the last election more than 1/2 of Meck. & 40% of surrounding counties are out-of-staters. If they didn’t move here, we wouldn’t have congestion. If they didn’t move here, locals would have the better jobs.
Don’t y’all get it! The more “improvements” we do, the more out-of-staters come in, & they come from more prestigious schools than ours. It’s about our right to economic self-determination. Do you want Niners getting $30-$40K while outsiders get $50-$70K?

Normmm just admitted to not caring about payoffs to developers. Very interesting.

[QUOTE=stonecoldken;271629]Well NinerWupAss, I’m a native NCian. In case you didn’t notice from the last election more than 1/2 of Meck. & 40% of surrounding counties are out-of-staters. If they didn’t move here, we wouldn’t have congestion. If they didn’t move here, locals would have the better jobs.
Don’t y’all get it! The more “improvements” we do, the more out-of-staters come in, & they come from more prestigious schools than ours. It’s about our right to economic self-determination. Do you want Niners getting $30-$40K while outsiders get $50-$70K?[/QUOTE]

I’m trying to get a point out of that…

All I can surmise is that you don’t like non natives and you are either a terrible negotiator or don’t do a great job at work. I’m a Niner and am doing a whole hell of a lot better than the “SCK Niner pay scale” dictates. P.S. My paycheck has the same company name at the top as yours does.

[QUOTE=ninerID;271612][URL]http://www.charlotte.com/112/story/379954.html[/URL]

Ridership Projections for first year: 9100 per day
First Day: 4000-5000 riders.

It will be interesting to see what ridership was today, i’ll give them a holiday break for yesterday, but you would think that the first day would be strong. But hey, numbers and projections don’t matter with the light rail crowd.

One interesting thing with the “world class city”/ Washington DC has it…Parking at lots for the Lynx is $Free.99, you have to pay for parking in DC.[/QUOTE]

Wow, I think that is a misprint. I seem to recall hearing 9100/week yesterday on 1110. Maybe I have a bad memory… :shrug:

s9er I work hard, or I wouldn’t be there, & there’s not much negotiation involved in the corporate world.
I don’t hate outsiders, but it makes me mad when they get picked for the higher paying jobs. Where is the loyalty to the people that built NC?

[QUOTE=stonecoldken;271631]Normmm just admitted to not caring about payoffs to developers. Very interesting.[/QUOTE]

??? Not exactly. What I said was that development around light rail is no different than any where else. That’s how real estate works. Location, location, location. That’s why there are hotels around the airport, business offices around Ballantyne, mansions around Lake Norman, restaurants around Concord Mills. Developers make business decisions which are best for their company. And yes, incentives are sometimes involved. That’s why Lowes is in Mooresville, Google is in Hickory, BMW is in Greenville and Bruton Smith is going to get his drag strip in Concord.

I said if light rail improves South Blvd then great. Would you rather Charlotte become Buffalo or Cincinnati?

So your not opposed to it helping development. You just wish people would admit that rather than saying it's for congestion? Because I don't see what's wrong with redeveloping South Blvd, bringing in new business, etc. South Blvd was going in the wrong direction. If light rail helps with "beautifying" a city I say kudos.

yes!
I think the crux of the argument is always “congestion” and its a con. Traffic will be worse than ever. I do agree South Blvd has turned into the hood, it needs a facelift with new development, but not with the light rail price tag. It used to be a safe place 10 years ago. I will always be convinced this was a money grab for certain property owners, developers, architectural design firms, etc.

[QUOTE=stonecoldken;271629]Well NinerWupAss, I’m a native NCian. In case you didn’t notice from the last election more than 1/2 of Meck. & 40% of surrounding counties are out-of-staters. If they didn’t move here, we wouldn’t have congestion. If they didn’t move here, locals would have the better jobs.
Don’t y’all get it! The more “improvements” we do, the more out-of-staters come in, & they come from more prestigious schools than ours. It’s about our right to economic self-determination. Do you want Niners getting $30-$40K while outsiders get $50-$70K?[/QUOTE]

I’m sorry but I can’t get the gist of this argument. Do you actually think a city would turn away people? Hell no, that’s one of the main objectives is to attract people to your city.

Don't y'all get it! The more "improvements" we do, the more out-of-staters come in, & they come from more prestigious schools than ours. It's about our right to economic self-determination. Do you want Niners getting $30-$40K while outsiders get $50-$70K?

wow…and thats being nice

Anyone have any idea what residential construction costs on a per foot basis in Charlotte?

depends on the area and the type of residence. Some areas of uptown cost more than 300 dollars a square foot.

I for one am going to try to go from my parents, ride it to the east/west station and take the bus to school. If it works, itll be an economical way to get around, I will have to leave a little earlier, but it’ll sure as hell be cheap for those nights I stay down at my parents.

Rode the light-rail Sunday to and from the Panthers game. Imagine when we can ride that thing from Campus to Downtown. It’s pretty cool, so I guess I’m a sell-out as well. Oh well.

[QUOTE=stonecoldken;271631]Normmm just admitted to not caring about payoffs to developers. Very interesting.[/QUOTE]

In essence 485 and the Light Rail do the same exact thing.