I am struck by at once by how accurate the spoiler was and at the same time how inaccurate it was as well. Lots of major things that they said would happen, didn't.
There were definitely more accuracies than innaccuracies though. Someone obviously had partial info leaked to them to note some of that stuff before it aired. As someone stated in that thread, it appears that enough info was leaked to at least fill in the gaps with some poor creativity/guesses. I don’t regret reading it beforehand as much now since there was still plenty of suprise.
I thought the episode was really great but as others have said, I just don’t buy the whole magnet-forced plane crash and the survival rate. But then again, the show is close to being in the “fantasy” genre so I guess anything goes. The 4-toed statue was definitely interesting. If it was in face just a piece of an entire body, that is one big ass statue.
I think a lot of questions were answered but there are still other mysteries. I’m still curious about the black fog in the jungle unless we’re just to assume it only existed in the subconscious of the castaways. And there’s still the issue of the old pirate ship, the French Lady/her daughter, etc. I didn’t really care for the ending though. Even though it was very telling, I still think the last couple minutes were pretty anticlimatic. They could have ended it a few minutes before that for a better cliffhanger.
I was OK with finale as a great television, but short of the button being real what I was OK with finale as a great television, but short of the button being real what did we learn.
We had Walt and Mike reunited but nothing else.
We saw the that Not Henry seemed to be running the show, but nothing else.
We saw Desmond’s partner (the dude from Carnivale’) but don’t know how long or why he was there.
The thing that has me puzzled is that if Desmond didn’t press the button and it drew Oceanic 815 to the island, does this mean all this people are on the island by coincidence? If so, why all the links between everyone (Hurley-Libby, Jack and Shannon’s dad etc).
Too bad there going to spend the first 6 episodes of next season showing the 10 minutes as the hatch blew up on Locke and Eko.
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We had Walt and Mike reunited but nothing else. [/quote]
what more did you want/expect there? nothing else == jack/kate/sawyer getting captured? the pearl/viewing station was not being used by dharma for longer than there were actually people down there reporting. that was a hellacious pile of vaccuum tubes.
We saw the that Not Henry seemed to be running the show, but nothing else.
did you see that comming? what more did you expect there? nothing else == the hatch michael/sahid saw was just a fake (like the tents)... the others know that at least part of the group knows its just an act.
We saw Desmond's partner (the dude from Carnivale') but don't know how long or why he was there.
he seemed to be there for the same reason desmond did, except he actually signed up for the dharma initiative. true we don't know how long, but does that matter? nothing else == desmond's partner is the one who at least started the blacklight map.
The thing that has me puzzled is that if Desmond didn't press the button and it drew Oceanic 815 to the island, does this mean all this people are on the island by coincidence? If so, why all the links between everyone (Hurley-Libby, Jack and Shannon's dad etc).
Now this is the one thing I also had a question about. I think desmond was possibly "guided" to the island. but beyond that, it seems likely that everyone else, while connected in a massive web of connections, seems to be on the island by chance.
It raised more questions/issues than it solved, thats for sure, but the season will definatley progress to a new feel/stage much like it did between season1 and season2. I’m still as hooked, if not more so.
I think the finale made up for a sometimes lackluster season. Did anyone else notice that the guy in the hatch with Desmond was the same guy that was in the army when Sayid was captured? He was the guy who dropped Sayid off on the side of the road when they released him.
I think we can soon establish a timeline since we know when Desert Storm took place and Desmond has been on the island for three years, we can begin to piece things together. I’m wondering if the show is trying to prove how connected we are to one another.
I think next season we’ll learn more about the others.
The Locke/Ecko argument was interesting, Locke “lost” his faith and basically took the stance that everything was meaningless and had no point(existentialism)…this deluded thinking lead to the hatch blowing up and him admitting he was “wrong” to Ecko who had faith…good stuff.
of course Locke is named after the philosopher on purpose, Desmond learned he had to push the button after learning from the character named Calvin(after philosopher/theologian?), who had died while he was there.
Orangutans only have four toes and this statue could have been something to honor Joop. That whole concept kind of reminds me of King Kong/Skull Island and the statue/s there. Also, if you scroll down to the bottom of that link, it talks about an image of a man that is present on the Hanso site. Speculation is that it may be the real Henry Gale but some people are debunking that.
Another theory is that the statue is that of Vishnu (Hindi god). Vishnu and most of the Hindi gods only had 4 toes and 4 fingers which separated them from man. And the term “Dharma” is a Hindi term. If you research that theory more thoroughly, you’ll come across the 10 avatars of Vishnu. I won’t list them all but some tie into things on the island.
Another interesting theory is based on a book by Thomas Love Pea**** called “Headlong Hall.” There is a passage in the book that reads: “Here you see is the pedestal of a statue, with only half a leg and four toes remaining.” Also, there are three philosophers mentioned in this book: Hume, Locke and Rousseau. The rebuttal to this theory is that “four toes remaining” implies that there were five and the statue on Lost was designed with only 4 toes. Still an interesting correlation with the philosophers mentioned.
A more “reaching” theory is that the statue plays into the whole evolution vs religion theme in that the 4 toes is symbolic of the evolutionary “advancement of the initiative.” The assumption is that the missing pinky toe correlates with the evolutionary theory of man being born without his pinky toe in the future because it’s not really necessary. There is definitely a science and religion theme running on the show so you could make a case for this but I think it’s the most far-fetched of the ones I’ve read.
I tend to lean more towards the Joop theory or the Vishnu one.
of course Locke is named after the philosopher on purpose, Desmond learned he had to push the button after learning from the character named Calvin(after philosopher/theologian?), who had died while he was there.
It's funny you should mention that....
Penelope (Desmond’s girl) in greek myth is the wife of Odysseus, which we know Odyssey means “Journey”
we knew that desmond was on a journey in his sailboat
[QUOTE=CPA_Niner;175034]I think the finale made up for a sometimes lackluster season. Did anyone else notice that the guy in the hatch with Desmond was the same guy that was in the army when Sayid was captured? He was the guy who dropped Sayid off on the side of the road when they released him.
I think we can soon establish a timeline since we know when Desert Storm took place and Desmond has been on the island for three years, we can begin to piece things together. I’m wondering if the show is trying to prove how connected we are to one another.
I think next season we’ll learn more about the others.[/QUOTE]
Excellent call!!! I forgot all about that till you brought it up. He was there with Kate’s step dad. That is very interesting.
Desmond’s full name is Desmond David Hume, an undisguised and obvious reference to 18th Century Scottish philosopher David Hume (1711-1776). Hume was influenced by the works of John Locke, and also a critic of some of Locke’s theories, such as the people’s consent of government, man in the state of nature, etc
I haven’t seen all of the Lost episodes, but its obvious they are making links to many different philosphies and worldviews, as well as mythologies…pretty common thing in movies and art in general. The creators of this show I think are definitely trying to express/push something through this method, as to their worldview whatever it is.
I read that Desmonds roomate that died was “Kelvin” not “Calvin” according to closed captioning…so maybe not the Philosopher Calvin(yet???), but given everything else Calvinism and the belief in predestination would play prominent in a show like this.
I want to know where/why Walt was Waltnapped.
I want to know how Eko’s brother got there.
I want to know about the supplies being airdropped in.
I want to know who the others are.
etc. etc.
Instead of doing any of this, they piled more stuff on.
I’m OK with cliffhangers, but why give us 4 toed statues without telling me where the polar bears came from?
I want to know where/why Walt was Waltnapped.
I want to know how Eko's brother got there.
I want to know about the supplies being airdropped in.
I want to know who the others are.
etc. etc.
Instead of doing any of this, they piled more stuff on.
I’m OK with cliffhangers, but why give us 4 toed statues without telling me where the polar bears came from?
Tintin
They said he was “special” and we could see that somehow b/c remember those scenes where Shannon and Saiyd saw Walt in the woods. Ms. Clue even asked Michael about it.
If you remember the part where Ecko made his brother sign papers to let him borrow the plane for some “hospitable work” (transporting drugs) but rather then him going, his brother saved him by throwing him off and him getting on. It crashed on the island.
It’s a project/experiment that the outside world or someone in the outside world is in on…imo
how about Jack’s golf putt from season 1 that everyone was making bets on? We never found out if he made that or not. THat’s been bugging me for over a year.
Eko’s brothers plane flew from Nigeria and ended up on the island. Nigeria is no where near an Australia to LA flight. How did he get the plane get from Nigeria to the island?
i watched the finale again with my wife b/c she missed it. One thing i noticed was that when the system failure/magnet/ear piercing noise is going on everyone (even the others) seems scared/confused except henry gale, he just looks plain pissed as if he knows what is going on
[QUOTE=Tintin;175281]Eko’s brothers plane flew from Nigeria and ended up on the island. Nigeria is no where near an Australia to LA flight. How did he get the plane get from Nigeria to the island?[/QUOTE]
What we don’t know is how often the plane stopped and what route they took from Australia to LA. Not to mention they are on a fictional island most likely so we don’t know how far off there off of a main coastline. I had the same thoughts as you but after looking at a map I think it is possible for that plane to end up on an island.
There was an episode about midway through season 2 where Sawyer was seen reading an early draft of a book called “Bad Twin” by Gary Troup. (I think Jack ended up throwing it in the fire before Sawyer finished it though.) Anyways, Gary Troup was an (fictional) author that was on the plane when it crashed… there is some speculation that he was the one that was sucked into the plane engine and killed in the very first episode. Probably just a shameless attempt to make more money off the show, but ABC has released the book. I picked it up out of curiosity and I’m about halfway through it now. It isn’t the best book I’ve ever read, and it probably won’t answer many questions, but it does tell the story of the Widmore brothers (who appear to be related to the show somehow) and mentions The Hanso Foundation. I’ll post again and give my final thoughts when I finish it. Also, the author’s name… Gary Troup… is an anagram for purgatory.
I guess this book is part of the Lost experience game which I haven’t really kept up with. If I ever get bored enough, I might do some reading on it though… some of it seems like it could give us some answers to things happening on the island. Here is the latest website from the game… http://www.retrieversoftruth.com/
Story in today’s paper about some of the things that will be addressed this season. Not sure how I feel about them moving more towards relationships on the show though.
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