Mavs or Heat

I’ve pretty much decided I will watch from tv from now on. I usually went to 2 or so games a year but when someone asked me if I wanted to go to a preseason game last year that was gonna cost $60-75 just for the ticket I decided it wasn’t worth the cost anymore. I know it’s not watching with 60k in attendance but you can still get a decent atmosphere at some of the local bars around town.

Same here. I may try to one day go see my favorite NFL team play in person when my son is old enough to appreciate going, but the price for the trip alone to see one game will cost more than the price for a full season of NFL Sunday Ticket.

I am positive that the NFL expanding their season is something that everybody is against, except the owners.

I disagree there, Normm. The season ticket holders were the main drive to start the 18-game schedule. The reason is, the owners are already charging them regular prices for preseason games. The fans were asking, “if I have to pay a regular season price, why am I not getting a regular season game”? If I was spending $1000 a pop on a season ticket, I would be wanting the additional “real” home game too.

Back on topic…

Bill Simmons nails it in this article a few times, but the one I like best is why everyone rooted for the Heat to lose.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6657623/nba-finals-game-6-retro-diary

[quote=“Charlotte2002, post:63, topic:25471”]Back on topic…

Bill Simmons nails it in this article a few times, but the one I like best is why everyone rooted for the Heat to lose.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6657623/nba-finals-game-6-retro-diary[/quote]

Yea, read this yesterday evening and couldn’t agree more.

[quote=“Charlotte2002, post:63, topic:25471”]Back on topic…

Bill Simmons nails it in this article a few times, but the one I like best is why everyone rooted for the Heat to lose.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6657623/nba-finals-game-6-retro-diary[/quote]
really, really good take on it

I’d like to add a possible Theory C, and I know CharSF will appreciate this :slight_smile: , an officiating bias. I think it’s plausible to think that all of sudden Lebron was not getting the calls in the finals that he was previously getting, and he didn’t know what to do with that happening. Yes Dallas was zoning them more than most teams. And yes, maybe Lebron was less aggressive with taking the ball to the goal.

But check these #s out.

Lebron FT attempts in the playoffs:
Phi = 10 pg
Bos = 8 pg
Chi = 9 pg
Dal = 3 pg

Dirk FT attempts:
Mia = 8 pg

Regular Season:
James = 8.4 pg (5th most in the league)
Nowitki = 6.1 pg (13th)

Lebron’s 2 FT attempts in Game 1 vs the Mavs was his lowest amount in 27 games, going all the way back to 3/19/11, and for the season. Then consider he only had 2 FT attempts again in Game 5.

In contrast, Dirk’s 24 attempts in Game 1 vs OKC was his highest output of the season. His previous highest output was only 16.

I wouldn’t call it a bias. Everyone said it… he stopped attacking, especially in the fourth quarter, and even when he attacked it just wasn’t the same that everyone is used to with him. It’s one thing if he was getting hammered and getting no calls, but it wasn’t that. It also doesn’t help that he (and Wade) whine like nobody’s business after every call (they’re not alone), so at most the bias was the refs not giving the touch calls anymore, many of those calls they were getting in the Chicago and Boston series (much to my dismay as a Bulls fan b/c Rose did not receive the same treatment, and many calls were ticky tack bullshit).

His nuts sucked up into his abdomen, plain and simple. Sometimes you have to fail to succeed, only time will tell with him. Like Simmons says in that piece, he essentially gets more hate b/c he is so hyped (both by his ownself and others) and he doesn’t produce, and it’s insulting to your sports fandom.

[quote=“Normmm, post:66, topic:25471”]I’d like to add a possible Theory C, and I know CharSF will appreciate this :slight_smile: , an officiating bias. I think it’s plausible to think that all of sudden Lebron was not getting the calls in the finals that he was previously getting, and he didn’t know what to do with that happening. Yes Dallas was zoning them more than most teams. And yes, maybe Lebron was less aggressive with taking the ball to the goal.

But check these #s out.

Lebron FT attempts in the playoffs:
Phi = 10 pg
Bos = 8 pg
Chi = 9 pg
Dal = 3 pg

Dirk FT attempts:
Mia = 8 pg

Regular Season:
James = 8.4 pg (5th most in the league)
Nowitki = 6.1 pg (13th)

Lebron’s 2 FT attempts in Game 1 vs the Mavs was his lowest amount in 27 games, going all the way back to 3/19/11, and for the season. Then consider he only had 2 FT attempts again in Game 5.

In contrast, Dirk’s 24 attempts in Game 1 vs OKC was his highest output of the season. His previous highest output was only 16.[/quote]

Plain and simple, you don’t get to the line taking jump shots.

The difference between the other series and this one other than Dallas using a zone at times, was that Lebron was missing his long jump shots versus Dallas, whereas he was hitting them all in the previous 2 series. This allowed the Mavs to defend him differently and IMO forced him to settle for jump shots.

Yeah, I definitely think Lebron was less aggressive. But that’s why I added an additional theory. Maybe the fact that he only got 2 ft attempts in game 1 led him to being less aggressive the rest of the series.

But don’t get me wrong, Dirk out played everybody in the playoffs and the Mavs deserved the championship.

[quote=“Normmm, post:69, topic:25471”]Yeah, I definitely think Lebron was less aggressive. But that’s why I added an additional theory. Maybe the fact that he only got 2 ft attempts in game 1 led him to being less aggressive the rest of the series.

But don’t get me wrong, Dirk out played everybody in the playoffs and the Mavs deserved the championship.[/quote]
Maybe it’s not just people being on Dirk’s nuts, but I didn’t see this. I saw the Mavs win despite a struggling Dirk. I didn’t watch every game. Maybe I only saw the games that Dirk struggled in.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/stats/bycategory?cat=Fielding&sort=25&qualified=1&conference=NBA&year=postseason_2010

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/john_schuhmann/06/08/game4-notes/index.html

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/mavericks/post/_/id/4679701/dirks-getting-it-done-at-free-throw-line

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/30259/nowitzki-mavs-are-too-clutch-for-heat

Not sure what you were watching Bust. He shot 94% from the FT line in the playoffs, with his % improving in every series.
89% vs Portland
94% vs LAL
97% vs OKC
98% vs Miami

He had the 4th highest ave of points in the 4th quarter(10 points) behind only Shaq and Jordan.

He shot 62% in the 4th quarter of the finals, making more FGs than Wade and James combined.

Saying he made more fg than Wade would have sufficed.

[quote=“Normmm, post:71, topic:25471”]Not sure what you were watching Bust. He shot 94% from the FT line in the playoffs, with his % improving in every series.

He had the 4th highest ave of points in the 4th quarter(10 points) behind only Shaq and Jordan.

He shot 62% in the 4th quarter of the finals, making more FGs than Wade and James combined.[/quote]
Probably two of the three games I really watched. Can’t remember the other one, but in game six he struggled up until the 4th. During a game I’m not usually going to determine if a player is struggling or not based on FTs.

Saying he made more fg than Wade would have sufficed.[/quote]

LULZ… between this and the construction cam/seatback trolling this guy is becoming one of my favorites.

Mavericks would win because heat did bad and I’m niner89 son :))

lol Welcome aboard, young Niner!

lol Welcome aboard, young Niner![/quote]
thanks i started yesterday
:cool:

So have anyone seen how heat plays against mavericks on DEFENSE!!! :o