Did he have to leave? I seem to remember us being bummed he chose to leave.
There will be situations where we will benefit from the new rule. I hope we get some guys for next year who are not grad transfers & take advantage of the situation. The problem is we can & will be used like a minor league system for the P5 schools. We are lucky that Young has been loyal so far but he could still bolt for a better situation at a P5 this offseason or next. We may not lose as many players as we gain but the ones we do lose to P5’S are going to be our best & we’re going to gain players that weren’t good enough to get playing time at that level. Hopefully it works out better than I think it will for us. I just feel like they will be picking the best players from the G5’s & we will be picking mostly from the bottom of the P5 rosters.
He graduated here could have played one more for us but did grad yr elsewhere
I said a Duke/Kentucky/UNC offer. They were certainly good enough to transfer to P5…and even get some good PT at a top 10 program but my point was that they would not have gotten an offer from a school worth leaving us for that would guarantee them starters minutes.
I doubt they would have traded a chance to be an alltime great here with their number retired…for 2 yrs in a complimentary role for a middling P5 like Missouri.
And I just can’t imagine any of them going to Duke or UNC or Kentucky as a transfer and taking over a starters role.
The only way those guys leave is if they were guaranteed to be starters at a Top 10 program…which none of them would have been.
Yeah. Grad transfer but just an example of the type of poaching that woukd concern me the most. Under new system it would have been hard to keep him just because of the scarcity of big men who can play. Lot of people would have been in his ear. Lot of kids will hear the argument you need to step up to P5 to show your skills at the highest level. Reminds me of a HS 2A kid being told to transfer to a 4A school to increase competition and get more looks.
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In the new world it’s also about money and generating income for your family from NIL at a P5 school. Being a great and a starter is nice but money talks.
Think how many recruits we have been in the last round with only for them to pick the big name and that was before big money coming in like it’s about to. We offered playing time, chance to be a great bit those P5 lights are bright.
I strongly agree with the point about competent big men. That’s an area where I think mid majors will be screwed even harder than they have been. They will put in 2-3 years developing one only to see him bounce as soon as he is ready. I would also add high level lead / point guards which are a little more common but still not easy to come by. In such a system, I question if you ever get an opportunity for a program like Gonzaga to develop.
One other thing I still hate is the cost of attendance system. It’s not because I disapprove of these kids getting some extra pocket money (while some coaches are taking in millions). It’s that each school gets to determine how much they are going to pay. In conjunction with open transfers, how is this anything other than a free agency system.
I wish we would pool all NIL money into a pot, add a % of NCAA tournament / CFP money, and distribute it evenly amongst all student athletes in that respective sport at the D1 level. It would be a direct cut from the money currently used in the coaching salaries and facilities arms races and reallocation to kids playing revenue producing sports. While a lot of sports on campuses (T&F, soccer, volleyball, softball, many baseball programs,etc) would not get extra money, they would still compare favorably to their peers and there would be no lost opportunities to compete under Title IX. They would still get scholarships. I would make the strong argument that the system would be fair. And it would be less exploitive of kids in certain sports, which is what a lot of this is really about.
Sorry for the huge tangent, but I think all of this goes hand in hand.
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Yeah if it was just 1 of these, NIL, transfers, cost of attendance, etc then maybe I could see a path. Instead what I am seeing is basically the formation of the a pro sports model where schools can pay players, players can make money off the image of the school they are going to and year by year free agency. I just don’t see how we compete in that model.
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I wonder if the pendulum isn’t swinging so far that most athletic programs will fail? We have seen in 2020 just how financially fragile the whole system is already, and there are so many threats out there–decreasing attendance, falling media viewership, increasing player costs, growing staffs, facility one-upsmanship and ballooning coaching salaries. What if it lead to 85% of the Div I programs saying “No more!” Maybe a return to no more athletic scholarships, but grants-in-aid to students that play sports. Less money than programs spend today, and none of the “extras”. Basically everyone would be Div III. I am not sure that would be a bad thing.
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I would still attend niner games if we were D3. I attend now and I know we aren’t good and we aren’t winning a national championship in football or basketball. I attend soccer and it’s in a track and field stadium (a nice place but. It a palace of soccer). I attended a couple games in the mine shaft. Those were awesome.
It really makes no difference to me.
I actually might enjoy it more because presumably we would be playing more in state competition and I would be able to go to more away games.
I’m a fan because of the name on the jersey, not because of how competitive we are or what conference we are in.
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I will say being in a major city we do have an opportunity if we convince the businesses here to leverage us. We could channel some significant NIL money and access to playing in this market could be a boon for other schools NIL opportunities for their athletes. That’s our window.
I won’t stop attending but if we basically become pro sports I’ll back my giving way down. I’m not donating so a kid can make money. In fact if the kids can make money on their own they can pay their own way through school and we should drop student fees funding athletics.
I’m thinking you weren’t around for Henry Williams or Jarvis Lang if you think those guys couldn’t get a transfer option from a top P5. Those guys literally could have played and in most cases started anywhere. Both scored 30+ iirc in Durham against Duke. Jarvis did it early in his freshman season.
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Jarvis absolutely would have, he was a stud the minute he stepped on campus. He also would have left in a heart beat if money was involved. Starting and being a great wouldn’t have held him here given his family situation.
I was there…witnessed both. Jarvis was an undersized power forward (6’7" the size of most small wings) which is why we got him. A top 10 program would have gladly taken him as a complimentary role player.
Why would he do that?
Henry was a small 2 Guard (6’1"ish the size of a PG) Henry Williams Player Profile, Charlotte, NCAA Stats, International Stats, Game Logs, Awards - RealGM
…which is why we got him. Again he was talented enough to play at a top program but in a complimentary role.
No top 5 program would have brought them in as starters…so why would they leave for that?
Just saying our best of all time were the best of all time because they were talented and dominant for us in a way that top programs would not have used them.
Same for Jamir. Duke or UNC or Kentucky will not come after him either. He could probably play for them in a complimentary role but would he leave us to be a bench guy for them? Could he be a starter at a Missouri or a Vanderbilt or another middling P5…yes. And that’s who would come after him to. So he would have the same decision I’m hypothesizing for our all time greats. Stay here and be in the rafters or transfer to be a starter for an obscure middling P5 program. The top 10 programs won’t come after him and if they did he’d come off the bench.
So…I don’t see why he or they would ever do that.
Unless there is a coaching change (Woods & Dorn).
Interesting. Student fees subsidize a system that allows certain student athletes to make a lot (relative) of money. I smell a lawsuit coming.
Players complained that coaches and admins made money off their backs.
Why can’t students paying subsidies complain that players are making money off their backs??
Sigh… Pro sports are getting more and more attractive over time.
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Kids are going to leave because of money involved. Start at Charlotte make little bit or nothing or go play at a big school but maybe not start and make some money.
All of these changes are really about the top 30 or so programs where their coaches make insane money and the programs are cash cows. For the rest of the schools - including low levels P5s programs are running on thin budgets that depend donors and fees. In an effort to make things right for th top program we are going to wreck the entire system.
NA is right best way to handle this is to have NCAA act as a clearing house for all revenue and pass that back out.
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It’s already happening all over CUSA without the NIL rules in place. The best players from quite a few teams have already entered the portal. Add in the chance for more NIL opportunities that even a lower level P5 will offer & this can easily turn into a revolving door for the best players many G5 teams every season. I still don’t understand how we’ve been this fortunate this offseason after the season we just had. It’s just hard for guys to turn down playing in better facilities on national television versus only being seen by fans of your team who have to pay for a streaming service to see you. That additional exposure will be huge for NIL. And as far as local sponsors go, right now there are very few people in Charlotte, who aren’t already Charlotte fans, that would recognize any of our athletes. So I don’t really see a ton of opportunities for our players to get deals with local businesses. Maybe I’m wrong but it just doesn’t seem like a good investment for a business to pay someone who is not very well known to endorse their product or service.
Im sorry, but you’re wrong. HW and JL would have been starters virtually anywhere, in their prime seasons…and BTW, I like Young, but he is not anywhere remotely close to HW or JL. In fact, I could name many more of our former players who were well above his level so that comparison in invalid.