Just playing Devilās Advocate here but some of you folks need to grow thicker skin and avoid the knee jerk reactions when it comes to something like this. Surely you realize that there is going to be a lot of opposition to getting a football program. A simple editorial such as this one is just a drop in the bucket compared to what weāll face when this topic starts to pick up more steam.
Totally agree with Silvio in that you need to get used to opposing stances such as this one because there will be plenty more to follow. And there are appropriate ways to provide rebuttal but ripping someone on a personal level isnāt one of them. I disagree with 99% of what this lady had to say but at the same time, her voice has the right to be heard. And the best we can do is just supply information to negate the information sheās providing.
Sheās simply one of the first in a long line of anti-football people weāre going to encounter during this quest for football.
[QUOTE=metro;210188]What qualifies her to comment on this as a media correspondent? She lives in Charlotte? She works for the O??[/QUOTE]
Sheās an expert in higher education. Last time I checked UNCC was in that business.
Like I said, you donāt have to agree with her; she still did you some good. The debate is extended by a day, two when you guys start writing letters to the editor. BOT sees discussion, sees your passion. They think about football, so it stays front of mind.
Mary is a very smart woman. Sheās entitled to her opinion, and The Observer pays her for expressing it, just like we pay Sorensen and Fowler and Tommy Tomlinson, etc.
Itās all about creating discussion in the community.
[QUOTE=jcl49er;210192] I disagree with 99% of what this lady had to say but at the same time, her voice has the right to be heard. [/QUOTE]
what does she have a right to be heard?
she is not affiliated with UNCC in any way, and she is not a sports professional (writer). Something has to pertain to you in order to be āheard.ā
[QUOTE=Mike_Persinger;210193]Sheās an expert in higher education. Last time I checked UNCC was in that business.
Like I said, you donāt have to agree with her; she still did you some good. The debate is extended by a day, two when you guys start writing letters to the editor. BOT sees discussion, sees your passion. They think about football, so it stays front of mind.
Mary is a very smart woman. Sheās entitled to her opinion, and The Observer pays her for expressing it, just like we pay Sorensen and Fowler and Tommy Tomlinson, etc.
Itās all about creating discussion in the community.
Any publicity is good publicity.[/QUOTE]
I donāt disagreeā¦ āpub is pubā ā¦no doubt
is she an expert on higher education? usually it says in a small blip that the author specializes in the subject. IE: Mary Newsome specializes in urban developement and its always noted. If she is the āhigher educationā op-ed writer, then it needs to be attached to the story.
Just playing Devil's Advocate here but some of you folks need to grow thicker skin and avoid the knee jerk reactions when it comes to something like this. Surely you realize that there is going to be a lot of opposition to getting a football program. A simple editorial such as this one is just a drop in the bucket compared to what we'll face when this topic starts to pick up more steam.
Totally agree with Silvio in that you need to get used to opposing stances such as this one because there will be plenty more to follow. And there are appropriate ways to provide rebuttal but ripping someone on a personal level isnāt one of them. I disagree with 99% of what this lady had to say but at the same time, her voice has the right to be heard. And the best we can do is just supply information to negate the information sheās providing.
Sheās simply one of the first in a long line of anti-football people weāre going to encounter during this quest for football.
agreed, my point was that I dont think we have any allyās in places that will reach 100k people?
[QUOTE=Mike_Persinger;210182]So, if youāre not an alum, your opinion is moot? Iāll have to tell Sorensen his opinion about football at UNCC is moot since heās not an alum. Too bad he supports you. Now I canāt let him write anymore.[/QUOTE]
I would like to know what this ladies qualifications are for making such comments?
Does she have sports and/or university financial reporting experience?
Has she every done Division I or professional sports reporting?
Does she have a Buisness or Sports Management Degree?
Does she have any qualifications for making accusations about a college sport other then what she found in a 10 minute online search?
Has she any experience reporting about UNC Charlotteās finances and atheltics department?
Was she at least a towel or water girl for a high school team?
Mike, you really should tell your bosses to quite hiring Google journalists, it really makes people not want to buy the Observer. Either that, or offer the sports section separately.
is she an expert on higher education? usually it says in a small blip that the author specializes in the subject. IE: Mary Newsome specializes in urban developement and its always noted. If she is the āhigher educationā op-ed writer, then it needs to be attached to the story.
otherwise I stand by my arguement.
Thats a good point. It should say that, so people know that she is not a football expert or something.
But Mikes got a good point. It is an opinion, and when it comes to that, there arent really any rules for opinions.
I would like to think that as this goes great football debate continues, that people will show the alumni and students respect, and I hope no one bashes students and alumni for their efforts. That will raise a stinkā¦ Not that this lady did, just throwing it out there
I would like to know what this ladies qualifications are for making such comments?
Does she have sports and/or university financial reporting experience?
Has she every done Division I or professional sports reporting?
Does she have a Buisness or Sports Management Degree?
Does she have any qualifications for making accusations about a college sport other then what she found in a 10 minute online search?
Has she any experience reporting about UNC Charlotteās finances and atheltics department?
Was she at least a towel or water girl for a high school team?
Mike, you really should tell your bosses to quite hiring Google journalists, it really makes people not want to buy the Observer. Either that, or offer the sports section seperately.
Honestly, if those are the requirements for editorials, then NO ONE would ever get an editorial published. If you write an opinion column in favor of football and want it published in the Observer, are you going to send along your credentials showing that you are qualified to have an opinion on it? I would like to write a long opinion column on why football is good and necessary, but I have none of the experience you say is necessary. Does that make my column worthless?
[QUOTE=metro;210198]I donāt disagreeā¦ āpub is pubā ā¦no doubt
is she an expert on higher education? usually it says in a small blip that the author specializes in the subject. IE, Mary Newsome specializes in urban developement. If she the āhigher educationā op-ed writer, then it needs to be attached to the story.
otherwise I stand by my arguement.[/QUOTE]
She writes about higher ed and other topics. Hereās what editorial page editor Ed Williams said about her at the end of the year, in reviewing her work:
āAssociate Editor Mary Schulken: Mary writes timely, insightful commentary on higher education and is our lead writer on city government and immigration. This year she was selected to participate in the āImmigration: Issues for a New Americaā seminar at the University of Marylandās Knight Center for Specialized Journalism. Early in '06 she picked up her first-place award in the NCPAās 2005 editorial writing competition.ā
Also, her bio in the page introducing the editorial page writers, published last November, lists the following as her job description:
Mary C. Schulken
JOB: Associate editor. Write editorials and columns on a variety of local and N.C. issues. Focus on city government and higher education, including UNC Charlotte.
Iād say sheās not only qualified, but sheās doing what sheās assigned to do.
[QUOTE=Mike_Persinger;210193]Sheās an expert in higher education. Last time I checked UNCC was in that business.
Like I said, you donāt have to agree with her; she still did you some good. The debate is extended by a day, two when you guys start writing letters to the editor. BOT sees discussion, sees your passion. They think about football, so it stays front of mind.
Mary is a very smart woman. Sheās entitled to her opinion, and The Observer pays her for expressing it, just like we pay Sorensen and Fowler and Tommy Tomlinson, etc.
Itās all about creating discussion in the community.
Any publicity is good publicity.[/QUOTE]
How is she an expert in higher education? Was she a college professor, because anyone on here knows that not all of them are really as bright as theyāld like to think they are.
[QUOTE=Mike_Persinger;210207]She writes about higher ed and other topics. Hereās what editorial page editor Ed Williams said about her at the end of the year, in reviewing her work:
āAssociate Editor Mary Schulken: Mary writes timely, insightful commentary on higher education and is our lead writer on city government and immigration. This year she was selected to participate in the āImmigration: Issues for a New Americaā seminar at the University of Marylandās Knight Center for Specialized Journalism. Early in '06 she picked up her first-place award in the NCPAās 2005 editorial writing competition.ā
Also, her bio in the page introducing the editorial page writers, published last November, lists the following as her job description:
Mary C. Schulken
JOB: Associate editor. Write editorials and columns on a variety of local and N.C. issues. Focus on city government and higher education, including UNC Charlotte.
Iād say sheās not only qualified, but sheās doing what sheās assigned to do.[/QUOTE]
Mike, if this is all it takes to be an editorialist at the Observer then we can all save the O a lot of money, because you have 300 or 400 editors that can do just as good an op piece as she did with this story.
[QUOTE=Mike_Persinger;210207]She writes about higher ed and other topics. Hereās what editorial page editor Ed Williams said about her at the end of the year, in reviewing her work:
āAssociate Editor Mary Schulken: Mary writes timely, insightful commentary on higher education and is our lead writer on city government and immigration. This year she was selected to participate in the āImmigration: Issues for a New Americaā seminar at the University of Marylandās Knight Center for Specialized Journalism. Early in '06 she picked up her first-place award in the NCPAās 2005 editorial writing competition.ā
Also, her bio in the page introducing the editorial page writers, published last November, lists the following as her job description:
Mary C. Schulken
JOB: Associate editor. Write editorials and columns on a variety of local and N.C. issues. Focus on city government and higher education, including UNC Charlotte.
Iād say sheās not only qualified, but sheās doing what sheās assigned to do.[/QUOTE]
ok, if she is your higher education authority, so be it. Iāll give her a pass. I just think it should be noted that is her particular role somewhere on the page. Like I said, when Tom speaks, you know its from someone within the professional sports community. When this Mary speaks, it might help her if she wrote under an āeducationā banner of some sort. Her bio last November is fine, but who the heck remembers that? Every piece they write should have a reference to their assigned specialty.
[QUOTE=49RFootballNow;210208]How is she an expert in higher education? Was she a college professor, because anyone on here knows that not all of them are really as bright as theyāld like to think they are.[/QUOTE]
Rick Bonnell was never an NBA player, an NBA coach or an NBA executive, but Iād say he knows as much about how the league works as any of them.
If youāve never played college basketball or coached it, are you not qualified to have an opinion on Lutz? If you wrote a letter to the editor that was published, would you be open to the same questions on your qualifications.
Sheās very qualified to comment on higher education, on spending at institutions of higher education, on their mission, etc.
Just because she doesnāt think the time is right for football doesnāt make her unqualified to have the opinion.
Mike, if this is all it takes to be an editorialist at the Observer then we can all save the O a lot of money, because you have 300 or 400 editors that can do just as good an op piece as she did with this story.
Plus weāld do it for free!
Unless Iām mistaken, and Mike please correct me if Iām wrong, thereās an avenue for you to become a regular opinion writer for the Observer. I believe they yearly select a panel of editorialists who write on a variety of topics.
Iād follow Mikeās position on this one. Weāve got new publicity. Letās respond. For the first time in years, I wrote an outline on things I want to concisely address in an Observer Forum response. My 5th grade teacher would wet his pants if he knew I was finally drafting outlines!
[QUOTE=Noreaster;210205]Honestly, if those are the requirements for editorials, then NO ONE would ever get an editorial published. If you write an opinion column in favor of football and want it published in the Observer, are you going to send along your credentials showing that you are qualified to have an opinion on it? I would like to write a long opinion column on why football is good and necessary, but I have none of the experience you say is necessary. Does that make my column worthless?[/QUOTE]
Of course not, but you and I are not on the Observer payroll either. Meaning of course, no one asks us for our opinion, nor or we gauranteed its publishing.
Iād just like to know if the women has any real world contact with major college sports, or if she just did this because she doesnāt like college atheltics and likes to write opposing opinions on them.
I do agree with Mike on the fact that any publicity on football is good!
[QUOTE=metro;210210]Every piece they write should have a reference to their assigned specialty.[/QUOTE]
Thatād be nice, but I donāt want to have to put āPat Yasinskas covers the Panthers for The Observer, and has since 1999ā under each thing he writes. We could put actual news in that space.
Just write a letter, put in whatever āfactsā you want, and perhaps itāll get published.
Name-calling and questioning her credentials without checking them probably wonāt get you far.
I would like to know what this ladies qualifications are for making such comments?
donāt be retarded. she lives in charlotte and cares about unc charlotte and that affords her the right to an opinion about the school. i donāt agree with her opinion but if charlotte has any hope of getting football then weāll need community support. if you want to respond to her, find someone who is articulate enough to carry our message without sounding like theyāre a kid who just lost their toy and letās respond with a letter or an op-ed.
[QUOTE=NinerLoudNProud;210213]Unless Iām mistaken, and Mike please correct me if Iām wrong, thereās an avenue for you to become a regular opinion writer for the Observer. I believe they yearly select a panel of editorialists who write on a variety of topics.
Iād follow Mikeās position on this one. Weāve got new publicity. Letās respond. For the first time in years, I wrote an outline on things I want to concisely address in an Observer Forum response. My 5th grade teacher would wet his pants if he knew I was finally drafting outlines![/QUOTE]
Sounds interesting, but I doubt the O would want someone who focused solely on the 49er football question and how this university gets shafted by the state gov on a regular basis. I could be wrong on that though.