Zero.
You don’t know what you don’t know, or what I don’t know.
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Agreed.
All I’m hearing are excuses and rationalizing but no dozers in sight.
I’ve built 5 houses over the years and I’ve heard every excuse for slow/no work happening and it all just lip service. Which leads to another question, who’s available to start this project if we were ready to drive nails tomorrow???
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I am happy they made a motion towards expansion. I am far from excited about them releasing about 0.3% of the funds needed to expand the stadium. Maybe there is more context there, but it sure seems like a stadium expansion is so far out, that they might as well build it all at once instead of phases with different contracts.
I’m not intimately knowledgeable of all things construction, but I know even for much less complicated new build projects I bid on, we are often awarded a project 12 months before we actually get on site to work. My trade is one of the last in.
The commercial projects we work on are considerable less involved than a stadium, so 2+ years for shovels in dirt is probably accurate.
I suspect no less than 2, and probably more like 3, but like you, I am just guessing.
Mike has said his preference is to do it all at once. I anticipate that is what we will do. I could definitely see it being phased so that one side is done one off-season and another side is done a different off-season though.
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clt says we should just jack up bofa and move it up tryon. that may be faster
It’s going to be challenging project. It makes sense to do it all at once. Hopefully, the initial design concept makes good. At least all that should be very well documented. However, things are not always built matching everything on the design plans, or even as-builts.
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My guess is that it has more to do about the approval gate process than the actual construction work. This is a government project and not a run of the mill commercial project. So they may pay a little more to mitigate risk. All of this work has to be done anyway and I am sure there are rebates, etc. applied as more purchase orders released. Not uncommon to do engineering work as a part of a contract prior to submitting the full purchase order, especially for large capital projects. This also gives the University more time to fund raise while keeping the project moving forward.
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I work as an engineer in land development. Its what I deal with every day - entitlements and permitting. Most municipalities are dealing with staffing shortages and cant keep up with the boom of development thats come to the area over the past 5-10 years. They cant pay the same as the private industry can, and the list goes on from there. There are new rules, processes, laws, etc that have been adding up over the years and have bogged down permitting and entitlements more than ever before. Its a legitimate reason for rising housing and decelopment cost - it costs more to pay for our services, it takes longer than ever to get permits, and staff/government is oblivious to it all.
Im trying not to go too much on a soapbox, but to blame the long permitting process on the AD is wild. I dont know the details of the floodplain delaying things. Sometimes new wetlands or regulated streams can develop over time. This has happened on my projects before and its completely out of anyones control. There is no telling what it could be, but i can pretty honestly say its par for the course with our industry these days.
I dont know building permit process the same for the stadium expansion, but 12 months to get CD approval doesnt feel out of he question. All of this to say, the AD could have started this process sooner because the total time for this was probably known for a while.
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Government, especially environmental related, has been a moving target since at least like 2000. Good points
Thanks CivilNiner for your insights.
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There is so much excitement being generated by our football program, and Biff Poggi, at the moment. We are upgrading to the American conference, bringing in awesome recruits, an awesome coach and staff, and expansion.
It seems almost invaluable, if allowed, we can stimulate our momentum further by sharing more with the public around our stadium expansion plans, along with everything else positive that is taking place.
Now is the time to stimulate demand.
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Now add to all of that the insane process the university has to follow with BoT BoG and legislature and bonds and fund raising.
When is the most logical completion date? 2028 might be both realistic and aggressive.
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I’ll probably have info from The building sub committee soon and hopefully they will have some word on the timeline.
Offsite road improvements may also be required depending on if a traffic impact analysis is mandated (town and gown)
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