It was a joke. Though Iād take Ellis over what we have now.
Can someone give me some basketball related reasons why pat kelsey is the right guy? I dont know much about him and i know nothing about winthrop basketball. Im looking at their results the past two seasons and nothing jumps out at me that says this is the gus
Hes a few games over 500
Their team won 20 games this year, but played 3 games with d2 teams. 3 games last year too.
A ho-hum regular season finish in a bad basketball conference
No wins of note, and no advanced metrics that indicate anything special.
What am i missing here? Kelsey may be a great coach. He may end up being a hofer for all we know. But as of march 2014, im having trouble seeing anything that makes me think hes the guy. Someone show me the otherside of this coin please.
[quote=ācasstommy, post:42, topic:28679ā]Can someone give me some basketball related reasons why pat kelsey is the right guy? I dont know much about him and i know nothing about winthrop basketball. Im looking at their results the past two seasons and nothing jumps out at me that says this is the gus
Hes a few games over 500
Their team won 20 games this year, but played 3 games with d2 teams. 3 games last year too.
A ho-hum regular season finish in a bad basketball conference
No wins of note, and no advanced metrics that indicate anything special.
What am i missing here? Kelsey may be a great coach. He may end up being a hofer for all we know. But as of march 2014, im having trouble seeing anything that makes me think hes the guy. Someone show me the otherside of this coin please.[/quote]
Does it count if I say some Wake fans want him to replace Bzdelick? You know how it goesā¦ if fans of an ACC team want a coach, he has to be good (please note sarcasm). In all honesty, he was/is considered top notch my many Wake fans.
I donāt know if he is a good fit for Charlotte or not, but Iām pretty sure I know who is not a good fit.
[quote=ācasstommy, post:42, topic:28679ā]Can someone give me some basketball related reasons why pat kelsey is the right guy? I dont know much about him and i know nothing about winthrop basketball. Im looking at their results the past two seasons and nothing jumps out at me that says this is the gus
Hes a few games over 500
Their team won 20 games this year, but played 3 games with d2 teams. 3 games last year too.
A ho-hum regular season finish in a bad basketball conference
No wins of note, and no advanced metrics that indicate anything special.
What am i missing here? Kelsey may be a great coach. He may end up being a hofer for all we know. But as of march 2014, im having trouble seeing anything that makes me think hes the guy. Someone show me the otherside of this coin please.[/quote]
Let me ask you a question this way, how can you determine if a an āunknownā coach is any good anyway? If we are only going to go after guys that are winning 25 games and loads of Championships at every stop, well I donāt think we have the cash to keep someone like that away from the P5 (BCS or whatever you want to call it) schools.
We are going to have to take a chance regardless, I just want us to take a chance on someone that has at least won something being the head guy, unforutnaly there arenāt many of them around.
So once again, can you show me someone better?
clt wardles again.
The argument of āonly won 20 in Big a southā is a silly one. You recruit Big South kids. You are limited to what you can recruit. You play similar talent.
Iām impressed he coached what he inherited. 3 seniors now.
[quote=āEE9er, post:44, topic:28679ā][quote=ācasstommy, post:42, topic:28679ā]Can someone give me some basketball related reasons why pat kelsey is the right guy? I dont know much about him and i know nothing about winthrop basketball. Im looking at their results the past two seasons and nothing jumps out at me that says this is the gus
Hes a few games over 500
Their team won 20 games this year, but played 3 games with d2 teams. 3 games last year too.
A ho-hum regular season finish in a bad basketball conference
No wins of note, and no advanced metrics that indicate anything special.
What am i missing here? Kelsey may be a great coach. He may end up being a hofer for all we know. But as of march 2014, im having trouble seeing anything that makes me think hes the guy. Someone show me the otherside of this coin please.[/quote]
Let me ask you a question this way, how can you determine if a an āunknownā coach is any good anyway? If we are only going to go after guys that are winning 25 games and loads of Championships at every stop, well I donāt think we have the cash to keep someone like that away from the P5 (BCS or whatever you want to call it) schools.
We are going to have to take a chance regardless, I just want us to take a chance on someone that has at least won something being the head guy, unforutnaly there arenāt many of them around.
So once again, can you show me someone better?[/quote]What has Kelsey won?
He had 5 wins this year against teams with winning records. 8 of his wins came against teams with single digit wins.
Last year he had 3 wins against teams with winning records.
Iām all for hiring a new coach, but nothing in Kelseyās body of work indicates heās the guy we should target.
No i canāt. But thats neither my point nor my job.
Like i said, Kelsey may be the guy. I dont want this to come across as if i am anti kelsey. If he were our next coach iād get behind him in a heartbeat. But there is a drumbeat for him on this website and i have yet to figure out why.
I get your initial point. When you hire an assistant, you a largely gambling on an unknown commodity. But there are some things you can look at. His recruiting acumen or coaching tree for instance. But Kelsey doesnt stand out in those areas to my knowledge. And now we have two years of actual coaching to take a look at and that appears pretty average also.
Iām just wanting to know what the selling point is from a basketball perspective.
No i canāt. But thats neither my point nor my job.
Like i said, Kelsey may be the guy. I dont want this to come across as if i am anti kelsey. If he were our next coach iād get behind him in a heartbeat. But there is a drumbeat for him on this website and i have yet to figure out why.
I get your initial point. When you hire an assistant, you a largely gambling on an unknown commodity. But there are some things you can look at. His recruiting acumen or coaching tree for instance. But Kelsey doesnt stand out in those areas to my knowledge. And now we have two years of actual coaching to take a look at and that appears pretty average also.
Iām just wanting to know what the selling point is from a basketball perspective.[/quote]
Whats average about taking over a Peele squad that won 13 and 14 games in comsecutive seasons prior to your arrival. And year 2 of taking over- have 20 wins and reach conf title gm? Big South or not, you can only coach in environment your school is member of.
Re recruits- his only class are frosh now.
Kelsey would of had the uncc job if not for his depression. Its fixed, he now has 2 yr HC experience. Again, if he wins 25 next yr- uncc wont be on his shortlist. We arent in pos to buy when stock is high, some hedging has to happen. Or just hire 55 hr old retread like Seth Greenburg or a other asst at OSU. 
I like the Sandy Hook stuff he did, and his stance on automatic weapons.
However, neither of those things has anything to do with, or are any proof that he is a good basketball coach.
I would not be upset if we hired Pat Kelsey tomorrow. Certainly we would be taking a risk hiring him, but we know more about him than we knew about Major before we hired him.
He at least has HC experience, and has the intangibles like marketing a program and getting fans excited. I never understood why some on this board make fun of him marketing their program. Other than that, I donāt know if he is our guy or not, but I certainly wouldnāt mind taking a shot with him. At least one person in our Athletic Department likes him.
Iām trying not to get too excited about a coaching search knowing that we will retain Major, he will get us to the NIT next year, and we will have him for another 5 years.
That might be one of the most depressing things I have ever read on this board.
No i canāt. But thats neither my point nor my job.
Like i said, Kelsey may be the guy. I dont want this to come across as if i am anti kelsey. If he were our next coach iād get behind him in a heartbeat. But there is a drumbeat for him on this website and i have yet to figure out why.
I get your initial point. When you hire an assistant, you a largely gambling on an unknown commodity. But there are some things you can look at. His recruiting acumen or coaching tree for instance. But Kelsey doesnt stand out in those areas to my knowledge. And now we have two years of actual coaching to take a look at and that appears pretty average also.
Iām just wanting to know what the selling point is from a basketball perspective.[/quote]
Whats average about taking over a Peele squad that won 13 and 14 games in comsecutive seasons prior to your arrival. And year 2 of taking over- have 20 wins and reach conf title gm? Big South or not, you can only coach in environment your school is member of.
Re recruits- his only class are frosh now.
Kelsey would of had the uncc job if not for his depression. Its fixed, he now has 2 yr HC experience. Again, if he wins 25 next yr- uncc wont be on his shortlist. We arent in pos to buy when stock is high, some hedging has to happen. Or just hire 55 hr old retread like Seth Greenburg.[/quote]His stock isnāt going to blow up if he simply makes the NCAA tournament. Heād have to make some noise to draw any attention to himself to elevate himself beyond a level where we realistically have a chance.
Winning the Big South virtually guarantees a 16 seed, so the chances of him winning an NCAA tournament game would be exceptionally low.
If he makes the NCAA tournament next year, count me as one that would want to give him a shot, but for now Iām not sold.
His record against teams with winning records isnāt very good and a fairly high percentage of his wins have come against teams that are non-D1 or had single digit wins. He took over a shit situation down there, but Winthrop isnāt exactly back to the Gregg Marshall days.
Even with the success Marshall had, it took many years before someone else was willing to give him a shot as a head coach.
If a new/young coach has a great year in a good mid major conference, people take notice, but nobody takes much notice if you win one of the 5 worst conferences in the country and then get worked over in the NCAA tournament. The only way we lose our opportunity is if Winthrop goes to the tournament, somehow gets better than a 16 seed, and wins a few games like FGCUās coach did last year. Very, very unlikely.
The looks on the faces of the two girls over Majorās left shoulder say it all, donāt they?
Again NN- hows he supposed to beat all these winning teams you crave, when he inherited (and kept) Peeles kids? Im down with what you are saying IF he took over a successful program. Like how it was when Marshall left. But thats not what happened. IMHO it screams this cat can coach.
[quote=āmetro, post:55, topic:28679ā]Again NN- hows he supposed to beat all these winning teams you crave, when he inherited (and kept) Peeles kids? Im down with what you are saying IF he took over a successful program. Like how it was when Marshall left. But thats not what happened. IMHO it screams this cat can coach.[/quote]Doesnāt have to be winning records. Could be teams with 10-15 wins. Heās not really doing a stellar job against those teams though.
I have no issues with the guy, I just donāt understand your fascination with him at this point in his career. Heās a guy to keep an eye on, not a guy to throw a contract at when this season is over.
If he has a good season next year, heās ours if we want him. Heās not going to be on the radar of power conference schools unless he goes on a miracle run to the Sweet 16 or better and that isnāt going to happen.
First of all, none of us have any idea on what type of talent he came in with and what he has now. None of us are winthrop basketball experts here so trying to judge the extent of talent he had now vs then is stupid.
What we know is over the past 2 seasons he a 500 basketball coach. He won 17 games this year against D1 competition and won 2 games in the big south tournament. His OOC record is bad and the teams he has beat are bad.
He does seem like an energetic guy who breathes basketball. Heās passionate, and i loved his sandy hook stuff. He quit his profession before, but i dont think you can hold that against him as depression is a bitch. Hes very active on twitter, albeit corny.
I just see more question marks than answers.
First of all, none of us have any idea on what type of talent he came in with and what he has now. None of us are winthrop basketball experts here so trying to judge the extent of talent he had now vs then is stupid.
What we know is over the past 2 seasons he a 500 basketball coach. He won 17 games this year against D1 competition and won 2 games in the big south tournament. His OOC record is bad and the teams he has beat are bad.
He does seem like an energetic guy who breathes basketball. Heās passionate, and i loved his sandy hook stuff. He quit his profession before, but i dont think you can hold that against him as depression is a b****. Hes very active on twitter, albeit corny.
I just see more question marks than answers.[/quote]
Which is one more than we have.
First of all, none of us have any idea on what type of talent he came in with and what he has now. None of us are winthrop basketball experts here so trying to judge the extent of talent he had now vs then is stupid.
What we know is over the past 2 seasons he a 500 basketball coach. He won 17 games this year against D1 competition and won 2 games in the big south tournament. His OOC record is bad and the teams he has beat are bad.
He does seem like an energetic guy who breathes basketball. Heās passionate, and i loved his sandy hook stuff. He quit his profession before, but i dont think you can hold that against him as depression is a b****. Hes very active on twitter, albeit corny.
I just see more question marks than answers. [/quote]
There are always going to be questions when you hire a new coach. Again, we know much more about Kelsey than we did about Alan Major before we hired him.
Iām not saying he is our best candidate, but I would not be upset if he was our coach.
First of all, none of us have any idea on what type of talent he came in with and what he has now. None of us are winthrop basketball experts here so trying to judge the extent of talent he had now vs then is stupid.
What we know is over the past 2 seasons he a 500 basketball coach. He won 17 games this year against D1 competition and won 2 games in the big south tournament. His OOC record is bad and the teams he has beat are bad.
He does seem like an energetic guy who breathes basketball. Heās passionate, and i loved his sandy hook stuff. He quit his profession before, but i dont think you can hold that against him as depression is a b****. Hes very active on twitter, albeit corny.
I just see more question marks than answers.[/quote]
Which is one more than we have.[/quote]
and we should fire our coach because of it