Plav's Shot Selection

My 2 Cents.

Sure Plavich nailed a 50 footer, but how about the three he nailed to answer Bracey Writght’s right before that. He hist 2 absolutely clutch bombs to give us this win. Some people were calling for Lutz’s head for giving Brendan the last shots at Alabama. I think this is why Lutz trusts him in the pressure situation. I don’t love his shot selection, but I love his toughness and I love his moxie.

[i]Originally posted by 49erFan1[/i]@Dec 23 2004, 10:20 AM [b] My 2 Cents.

Sure Plavich nailed a 50 footer, but how about the three he nailed to answer Bracey Writght’s right before that. He hist 2 absolutely clutch bombs to give us this win. Some people were calling for Lutz’s head for giving Brendan the last shots at Alabama. I think this is why Lutz trusts him in the pressure situation. I don’t love his shot selection, but I love his toughness and I love his moxie. [/b]


Yeah, that was a clutch shot.

I agree with Powerbait on this one.
Let Plav bomb away when he’s hot, but if he’s not, work the ball inside/look for something else first.
We seemed too content last night to shoot a quick 3 - as usual, in a way. I’d be fine with that if we are hitting them/up by 20, but with the way we were playing defense and turning the ball over, we’ve got to get better looks. A bomb’d out 3 can be taken with 2 seconds on the shot clock, not 20.

I said this in my other thread, though, too. Plav has ice water in his veins at the end of games. Reminds me of Diego. I’ll take someone who wants the last shot (and can make it) on my team every time, even if it means a few bad shots here and there.
Also, as bad as some of the 3’s were tonight, some of Eddie’s misses and Curtis’ TOs are even more disturbing. Why not take a 3 when you know if you give it to your PF, it’s going to be a TO? Frustrating. We can play better. But a win is a win.

Watching the game last night, seeing Indy hit what I thought was a lucky basket to “seal” the win then seeing us hit a prayer reminds me of playing poker. Sometimes, you’re beat and you catch a runner on the river to put you over the top. It’s just like that sometimes. :wink:

It is not a lack of discipline. Plav is not a ball-hogging glory-seeking Alan Iverson. I’ve listened to and read enough of the player’s comments to know that when the other players get him the ball out there, they expect him to shoot.

There is something wrong with this team, but I don’t think it is chemistry or lack of discipline. Most games, we are getting balanced scoring with four or five players in double-figures. Something is shaking our confidence. We can’t seem to take it to the rack strong enough to finish the shots when we get hacked. We miss the free-throws and suddenly hacking us becomes an effective defensive strategy for our opponents. Maybe the fear of choking on free-throws is making us tentative to take it inside.

We are three free-throws and one technical away from being undefeated but we let lesser teams hang around and climb back into the game again and again. If Curtis gets his head on straight, it would open up so many opportunities for us that we could become the team that we all know we are capable of being.

Hopefully this game will give us some general confidence going forward that will spillover into free-throw shooting, etc. It is not a lack of discipline, IMHO.

[i]Originally posted by Powerbait[/i]@Dec 23 2004, 09:53 AM [b] Eddie played like garbage for most of the game. [/b]
I think I need to take that back, I just looked at the boxscore. 3-12 was garbage.

But 8 rebounds, 5 assists, 11 points (5-5 FT) and 3 steals is pretty solid. He only had 2 TOs.

So, his shot was garbage, but the rest of his game was solid.

[i]Originally posted by MeinShaft[/i]@Dec 23 2004, 10:31 AM [b] It is not a lack of discipline. [/b]
We play sloppy defense and shoot early in the shot clock. We have unforced turnovers. We have players that sulk. We're not very good at the FT line.

A lot of those things are considered discipline problems.

guys come on… what many times can we contribute a win thanks to Plavich? How many games when others guys are not on, Plavich is there to give us the boost? After last nights 33% shooting, he is still shooting 45% from beyond the arc. 45%!! Most teams would kill to have a deep threat like Plavich. I did note last night when BP was not in the game, IU would double and triple the post. This either resulted in a turnover or a kick out. And once we effectively kicked it out and Baldwin hit a three. I think we dont appreicate BP’s ability and stab him the hardest when he takes bad shots, which is less this year than last. I am just thankful for Plavich. Enjoy him this year cause next year we will miss him!!

[i]Originally posted by MeinShaft[/i]@Dec 23 2004, 10:31 AM [b] It is not a lack of discipline. Plav is not a ball-hogging glory-seeking Alan Iverson. I've listened to and read enough of the player's comments to know that when the other players get him the ball out there, they expect him to shoot.

There is something wrong with this team, but I don’t think it is chemistry or lack of discipline. Most games, we are getting balanced scoring with four or five players in double-figures. Something is shaking our confidence. We can’t seem to take it to the rack strong enough to finish the shots when we get hacked. We miss the free-throws and suddenly hacking us becomes an effective defensive strategy for our opponents. Maybe the fear of choking on free-throws is making us tentative to take it inside.

We are three free-throws and one technical away from being undefeated but we let lesser teams hang around and climb back into the game again and again. If Curtis gets his head on straight, it would open up so many opportunities for us that we could become the team that we all know we are capable of being.

Hopefully this game will give us some general confidence going forward that will spillover into free-throw shooting, etc. It is not a lack of discipline, IMHO. [/b]


Which players you been talking too?

Not Eddie or Curt or any of the other guys who knows Plavich well. Plavich does all the dirty work, watch the way he sets back picks for our Forwards and Centers watch the way he hustles after loose balls, heck go watch a practice when he’s running around like it’s a game. This guy works hard and while he does take bad shots, he’s more then willing to do what it takes to win.

Plav does work hard, he plays so hard for someone at such a disadvantage at on the defensive end.

I just want him to reign in that hand when it’s not hot.

Plavich is sort in a weird position. For every mistake he does, it’s documented on here. However, the team seems to love him and I agree the guy does do all the dirty work. Iwill also point out something that I haven’t read on here. He was the only player to go shake hands with the Indiana bench at the end of the game.

I agree that his shot selection could have been a better last night, but in his defense we didn’t really have anybody that was “on” last night. Curt, Eddie, and Baldwin all put up some UGLY looking shots. The only shot I remember Iti taking got swatted. At least most of Plav’s misses were close. Its not like he was throwing up airballs. And he hit TWO huge threes in the last thirty seconds.

Ugly game all around by us, but we still escaped with a win so I can’t bitch too much. I just hope we play better in the Cable Car tourney.

[i]Originally posted by LutzFan[/i]@Dec 23 2004, 11:56 AM [b] I agree that his shot selection could have been a better last night, but in his defense we didn't really have anybody that was "on" last night. Curt, Eddie, and Baldwin all put up some UGLY looking shots. The only shot I remember Iti taking got swatted. At least most of Plav's misses were close. Its not like he was throwing up airballs. And he hit TWO huge threes in the last thirty seconds.

Ugly game all around by us, but we still escaped with a win so I can’t bitch too much. I just hope we play better in the Cable Car tourney. [/b]


I agree that Curt, Eddie and Baldwin weren’t on - but I was hoping we would go to both Goldwire and Nance more - both were playing very well. Nance ended up going 4 - 4 for the night and Goldwire went 5 - 10. Also, EJ only got 5 shots (went 2 - 5).

Everybody else shot pretty badly;
Iti 0 - 2 = 0%
Withers 5 - 11 = 45% (not that bad but then add the 7 to’s to it)
Plavich 6 - 18 = 33%
Basden 3 - 12 = 25%
Baldwin 1 - 4 = 25%

The entire team shot bad, we won a big game, get over it and enjoy the win…

Not every day we beat IU at their place, no matter what their record is …

[i]Originally posted by Florida49er[/i]@Dec 23 2004, 10:30 AM [b] I agree with Powerbait on this one. Let Plav bomb away when he's hot, but if he's not, work the ball inside/look for something else first. We seemed too content last night to shoot a quick 3 - as usual, in a way. I'd be fine with that if we are hitting them/up by 20, but with the way we were playing defense and turning the ball over, we've got to get better looks. A bomb'd out 3 can be taken with 2 seconds on the shot clock, not 20.

I said this in my other thread, though, too. Plav has ice water in his veins at the end of games. Reminds me of Diego. I’ll take someone who wants the last shot (and can make it) on my team every time, even if it means a few bad shots here and there.
Also, as bad as some of the 3’s were tonight, some of Eddie’s misses and Curtis’ TOs are even more disturbing. Why not take a 3 when you know if you give it to your PF, it’s going to be a TO? Frustrating. We can play better. But a win is a win.

Watching the game last night, seeing Indy hit what I thought was a lucky basket to “seal” the win then seeing us hit a prayer reminds me of playing poker. Sometimes, you’re beat and you catch a runner on the river to put you over the top. It’s just like that sometimes. :wink: [/b]


…And sometimes you win the WSOP with a deuce-ten, twice!

[i]Originally posted by Powerbait[/i]@Dec 23 2004, 10:57 AM [b] Plav does work hard, he plays so hard for someone at such a disadvantage at on the defensive end.

I just want him to reign in that hand when it’s not hot. [/b]


Amen

[i]Originally posted by sf49er[/i]@Dec 23 2004, 02:11 PM [b] The entire team shot bad, we won a big game, get over it and enjoy the win.....

Not every day we beat IU at their place, no matter what their record is … [/b]


That takes away all the fun of imagining if we had lost and who we could have blamed it on.

[i]Originally posted by switchfoot+Dec 23 2004, 05:09 PM-->
[b]QUOTE[/b] (switchfoot @ Dec 23 2004, 05:09 PM)

Plav’s shot selection is amazing. If you ask me, he doesn’t shoot enough.

[i]Originally posted by Powerbait[/i]@Dec 23 2004, 05:36 PM [b] Plav's shot selection is amazing. If you ask me, he doesn't shoot enough. [/b]
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Happy Holidays! :smiley:

It amazes me that there is such outrage about Plav’s shot selection by a few “experts” on this board when nationally the “experts” rave about JJ Redick and what an incredible shooter he is. Lets look at the stat and you “experts” here can tell me the difference:(other than FT shooting)

                 FG      FG%   3's      3%    FT       FT%  RB   A   TO  B  ST  PTS AV.

J.J. Redick. 53-122 .434 26-66 .394 38-41 .927 2.4 28 14 1 8 170 21.3

Plavich, B 43-99 .434 40-87 .460 6-17 .353 2.2 16 15 2 13 132 14.7

I’m no expert, but I’ll take Plavich.