I probably should have put this here instead of the shoutbox:
[1 Minute Ago] NinerAdvocate: Hereās the real problem though - money. Whether Lutz is right or wrong is immaterial. The plain fact is that we are too poor to do a damn thing about it, so really Im just whining for no reason
I guess Iām the only one that didnāt gush over Harris after the games at Halton. Guys, I just donāt see it. His ball handling skills are minimal. He dribbles with his head down. He doesnāt look for his shot. He struggles to get the half-court offense set up. He doesnāt put extereme preesure on the ball like some have claimed. Iāve been hard on Gerrity before Iāve seen him play. I take all of that back. We had better all hope Gerrity can play just a bit or itās going to be a long, long, long, long season.
[QUOTE=switchfoot;270199]Wonder if Lutz has earned the extension yetā¦hmmmmmmm[/QUOTE]
by the time this is over lutz will wish he had taken the s alabama job. the next offer may come from the likes of lenoir rhyne or cpcc.
Next time, letās not hire an alumnus (Bobby is). It really, deep down, hurts
to see one of our own go through this nightmare.
[QUOTE=LeftyNiner;267553] I want to see Coach Lutz get the chance to develop this team and add some more key pieces. [/QUOTE]
I didnāt see the last 3 games, so I may be going on a flyer hereā¦but Iām not quite sure how many more chances Lutz can expect to get.
Hopefully, Saturday and todayās games were bumps in the roadā¦but right now, the path looks scarily similar to one Iāve been down before with this oleā ball coach.
[QUOTE=jcl49er;270263]Agreed and maybe at some point, some of the people here who are newer to the program, will see where youāre coming from. Despite stating we needed 6-7 games to judge this team, I admit I got a little giddy after the two early wins. But not to the point where I feel crushed after losing to Monmouth. Actually, it just further fuels my apathy, which has grown substantially over the years. I just donāt really care. And to me, thatās far worse than being pissed, from a fanās perspective.
We grabbed 3 wins against mediocre teams and lost two, to one below-average game and one to an abysmal team that we had no business losing to, regardless of how many new faces we have on our team. Yes, weāre 3-2 and maybe some of you feel we should be happy considering the expectations. But thatās not the point. Our record has nothing to do with how I feel right now. Itās seeing a pattern over the last several years that has gradually regressed our program. A pattern many of us thought would be broke this year as Lutz employed a new mentality. He hasnāt. He never will. Same stuff, different season.
I hope we turn it around. Iād love nothing more than to see us go on a tear. But Iāll stand by my comments in the off-season thread where we all made our predictions on this yearās record. I had us finishing under .500 and the mediocrity of our conference may be the only reason we overachieve with that. I look at our next 8 games and I just canāt see us winning more than half of them. Actually, winning half would be a surprise at this point.
Oh wellā¦thank goodness for the desensitization. It certainly helps with embarrassing losses like todayās.[/QUOTE]
Apathy is starting to set in here too. I have never been a fan of any team like I have the Niners over the past 15 years but I canāt continue to support something like this. To see our program continue to regress is disheartening. Most of us are realistic in our expectations. Iām not thinking we should go undefeated or anything but to lose to Monmouth? Wow.
Something has got to changeā¦either Lutz makes changesā¦or Judy and Phil make changes. WFU is now a must win. It may be our only chance to beat someone with a name. And suddenly I am afraid to play G. Webb and F. Dickenson. Wow again.
By the wayā¦did anyone hear Bobby on the post game? Would love to know what he said.
Apathy is starting to set in here too. I have never been a fan of any team like I have the Niners over the past 15 years but I can't continue to support something like this. To see our program continue to regress is disheartening. Most of us are realistic in our expectations. I'm not thinking we should go undefeated or anything but to lose to Monmouth? Wow.Something has got to changeā¦either Lutz makes changesā¦or Judy and Phil make changes. WFU is now a must win. It may be our only chance to beat someone with a name. And suddenly I am afraid to play G. Webb and F. Dickenson. Wow again.
By the wayā¦did anyone hear Bobby on the post game? Would love to know what he said.
I wanna be 9-5 in OOC. So the next 9 games we gotta go 6-3 to satisfy me. If we could steal the Wake game, it gives us a chance.
wake L
davidson W
SIU W
@Hofstra W
@Tulsa W
GW W
Farleigh W
Maryland L
@Clemson L
[QUOTE=49er96;270321]WFU is now a must win. It may be our only chance to beat someone with a name. And suddenly I am afraid to play G. Webb and F. Dickenson. [/QUOTE]
I donāt know. In true Niner form, we could beat Wake and then lose to GW or FD.
Whatever happened to games that we knew we could win? I donāt know about you guys but I was nervous when they played Ottawa.
wake L davidson L SIU L @Hofstra W @Tulsa W GW W Farleigh W Maryland L @Clemson L
Thatās how I see itā¦
That's how I see it....
sav- I agree your take is more likely
[QUOTE=Savio;270331]Thatās how I see itā¦[/QUOTE]
Sadly I think youāre right. People are taking for granted that we will beat Davidson and SIU, no question. SIU will be a very difficult game as well Davidson.
Lutzās chances for an extension just got a lot tougher. He fell back into his old habits tonight, too many 3ās, not going inside and attacking the basket. Itās been a consistant story the past few seasons.
If they win this game, I believe there would have been a contract extension under the tree before Christmas just by playing consistently. As much as I want to forget this game, I think it was a potential turning point.
[QUOTE=HP49er;270347]If they win this game, I believe there would have been a contract extension under the tree before Christmas just by playing consistently. As much as I want to forget this game, I think it was a potential turning point.[/QUOTE]
I do agree with this IF we donāt learn to play against teams like this. I do think if WSU had beaten Monmouth then it would have been a much different game against WSU. We do not play well against a half court slow down teamā¦especially since we have NEVER played against this style with this team.
This board go to gloom when we drop a game we shouldnāt have.
I remember almost everyone saying before the season began that they just want to see improvement from the last two years REGARDLESS if we have a loosing record.
I would say we have taken MAJOR steps in the right direction. Defense is much better, intensity is much better, Bobby is more passionate, and the guys play their tale off. We basically had NONE of this the last two years.
We struggle against teams that slow it down, thatās all this loss is in my opinion. Basketball is ALL ABOUT MATCHUPS, the name of the team you are playing against is irrelevant.
I think we will be much better against Wake because of the style they play.
People need to relax, we have a long season with four new players startingā¦JUST RELAX, and let things play out before you start going crazy. Go crazy in early February if we are struggling, and have not improved.
[QUOTE=HP49er;270347]If they win this game, I believe there would have been a contract extension under the tree before Christmas just by playing consistently. As much as I want to forget this game, I think it was a potential turning point.[/QUOTE]
Also, if we had been beating the teams we should have been beating for the past 2 seasons, there would have already been a contract extension and this wouldnāt even be an issue.
Basketball is ALL ABOUT MATCHUPS, the name of the team you are playing against is irrelevant.
justifying a Monmouth loss because we did not āmatch upā is laughable. sorry
that is not why we lost
I think Judy should just sell the team and close up shopā¦
Ooopsā¦ wrong threadā¦ that was supposed to be about JR and the Panthers.
[QUOTE=metro;270353]justifying a Monmouth loss because we did not āmatch upā is laughable. sorry
that is not why we lost[/QUOTE]
As one who played organized sports, I could not agree with you more, Metro!
[QUOTE=metro;270353]justifying a Monmouth loss because we did not āmatch upā is laughable. sorry
that is not why we lost[/QUOTE]
This aināt bseball. Lefty vrs righty doesnāt play into it much. Personally Iāve never seen Princeton beat Duke, I may have missed it.
Boys and girls- I thought I would feel better this morning. I donāt, Iām still pissed. I thought we may have turned the proverbial corner not because we won a couple of games but b/c of the way we played.
I thought that maybe, just maybe, Lutz realized jacking 3ās without conscience just does not work. I was wrong. We will be what we are as long as he is here.
Weāll win some games when someone is on fire (ie, Goldwire vrs App) and get embarrassed by well-coached teams on a regular basis (ie, Davidson last year).
I hope you guys are happy with that, Iām not.
My feelings in a nutshell. Plenty of blame for this situation. Bobby Lutz for AD.