How would they ever survive without that $300 deal?
How would they ever survive without that $300 deal?[/quote]
lol, good question
Yes, that is a big sticking point. That contract for Texas is guaranteed.
I think what would be best for for the Niners would be for Texas to be willing to renegotiate and make the TV network a Big12 Network. That might persuade A&M not to leave, and for none of the conferences to expand.
How would they ever survive without that $300 deal?[/quote]
Ha! But to put it into perspective, that contract would basically cover our entire athletic budget for the next 20 years. It’s a big deal. Then we could afford chair backs. 
At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Texas become independent.[/quote]
That might work in the interim. But if the big conferences are truly moving to 16 teams, independent won’t work in the long run. I agree with X. If they move to 16 teams I would think Texas would go to the Pac 12.
Yes, that is a big sticking point. That contract for Texas is guaranteed.
I think what would be best for for the Niners would be for Texas to be willing to renegotiate and make the TV network a Big12 Network. That might persuade A&M not to leave, and for none of the conferences to expand.[/quote]
Agreed, but Texas doesn’t want to share. So they can have the money and lose a big hunk of tradition, or share a little a keep that tradition. If I’m the Big XII Commish, I make a move for TCU, Houston, and I would go after Arkansas too. No way TCU and Houston turn you down, and I would try to stick the knife right back at the SEC.
They dont have to be in the same conference as UT to play them. Clemson-South Carolina, Georgia-GT, ND-Michigan, Florida-FSU, Army-Navy are all examples of out of conference rivalry games.[/quote]
I’m sure Texas is really going to reach out to them after A&M tries to screw them over by leaving the Big XII. “Since you f’d up our conference, let’s play a non-conference game next season or the season after that”. Yeah, makes sense.[/quote]
Well, to be fair, A&M could say “No, you started killing the conference by having a TV network”. Not to mention Nebraska and Colorado leaving.[/quote]
Yes, but the other members agreed to let Texas have their own network. Texas gave the other members an ultimatum, and the remaining nine members caved. Maybe this was A&M’s master plan all along: to give Texas all of their greedy demands to keep them in the Big XII, and then screw them by bolting for another conference.[/quote]
Lol. They “agreed” so that Texas wouldn’t leave for the PAC10. They also agreed before knowing how much the TV contract was for. A&M is no more guilty, and IMO less guilty, than Nebraska, Colorado or UT.[/quote]
Well, sure, but the SEC was talking to A&M at that time and the Aggies could have left then if they had wanted to. Why beg somebody to stay if you’re only going to leave them later, and for the some conference that you could have had then? Totally spiteful move by A&M, but that’s what that rivalry has come to.
So, Texas and who else to the Pac 12?[/quote]
Well, like I said previously, that was before Texas had signed the contract for the TV network. I’m sure there is some spite. Just as there was for Texas to sign a Longhorn TV network rather than a network for the Big12.
All of this also assumes that the SEC definitely made an offer to A&M last year and A&M turned them down, which didn’t happen. At the time the Big12 was their best option. A year later Texas has a TV network and apparently the SEC has made an official offer.
Why are you anti-conf changes? IMO we NEED this to happen for us to land somewhere decent. You seem to be of the mind that that is not the case. Are you just thinking the timing of it? Or do you think any changes are bad for us?
Yes, that is a big sticking point. That contract for Texas is guaranteed.
I think what would be best for for the Niners would be for Texas to be willing to renegotiate and make the TV network a Big12 Network. That might persuade A&M not to leave, and for none of the conferences to expand.[/quote]
Agreed, but Texas doesn’t want to share. So they can have the money and lose a big hunk of tradition, or share a little a keep that tradition. If I’m the Big XII Commish, I make a move for TCU, Houston, and I would go after Arkansas too. No way TCU and Houston turn you down, and I would try to stick the knife right back at the SEC.[/quote]
Agreed. I don’t think Texas will renegotiate either. Just that I think that’s what would be best for the Niners. IMO, the best case scenario for the Niners is for things to more less stay the same for the next 5 years or so.
[quote=“X-49er, post:66, topic:25611”]Agreed, but Texas doesn’t want to share. So they can have the money and lose a big hunk of tradition, or share a little a keep that tradition. If I’m the Big XII Commish, I make a move for TCU, Houston, and I would go after Arkansas too. No way TCU and Houston turn you down, and I would try to stick the knife right back at the SEC.[/quote] I would be extremely surprised if Arkansas left the SEC for the Big 12 in its current state. If Texas AM is in the SEC, then Arkansas can do all kinds of TX recruiting more easily without needing to be in the Big 12. Plus, the SEC isn’t about to fall apart, the money is really good for all of the members, and the SEC isn’t completely dominated by a single team. Reading the comments from the Texas AD about what they plan to do as if they are the ones deciding what the conference will do is comical. I know that’s the way it is, but at least don’t make it so publicly obvious.
Why are you anti-conf changes? IMO we NEED this to happen for us to land somewhere decent. You seem to be of the mind that that is not the case. Are you just thinking the timing of it? Or do you think any changes are bad for us?[/quote]
I think if the SEC goes to 16 teams, you’ll see the rest of the conferences follow suit and possibly form a new division. Either 4 conferences making 64 total teams or 5 conferences making 80 teams. If it happens today we won’t even be on the radar.
I agree conference shake ups is what we ultimately need to happen. But only when we have a FBS ready team. If this was happening 5 years from now I’d be more excited about it.
Why are you anti-conf changes? IMO we NEED this to happen for us to land somewhere decent. You seem to be of the mind that that is not the case. Are you just thinking the timing of it? Or do you think any changes are bad for us?[/quote]
I think if the SEC goes to 16 teams, you’ll see the rest of the conferences follow suit and possibly form a new division. Either 4 conferences making 64 total teams or 5 conferences making 80 teams. If it happens today we won’t even be on the radar.
I agree conference shake ups is what we ultimately need to happen. But only when we have a FBS ready team. If this was happening 5 years from now I’d be more excited about it.[/quote]
Got ya - thanks! I agree that If they break away it could be VERY bad for us. I also think though if they do that and start basically locking teams out of the chance at a title the government will step in.64 or 80 teams - there will be some programs on the rise and some historical programs that will get left out.
[quote=“X-49er, post:56, topic:25611”]Well, sure, but the SEC was talking to A&M at that time and the Aggies could have left then if they had wanted to. Why beg somebody to stay if you’re only going to leave them later, and for the some conference that you could have had then? Totally spiteful move by A&M, but that’s what that rivalry has come to.
So, Texas and who else to the Pac 12?[/quote]It sounds like they genuinely hadn’t considered all of the ramifications of the Longhorn network (and didn’t know the details of the deal obviously).
I’ll be really happy if Texas and Espn fall flat on their face with this deal if the Big 12 loses more marquee teams. One team deals are bad for the sport. Teams that are rising up the ranks or don’t have the population/geographic advantages of say Texas and Florida need the conference wealth spread to continue to rise. This won’t be an issue for the Niners for a while, but eventually I think it would.
Superconferences that appear to be resulting are not such a great deal though either. We need more “middle class” conferences to stop the widening gaps between the haves and the have-nots.
Why are you anti-conf changes? IMO we NEED this to happen for us to land somewhere decent. You seem to be of the mind that that is not the case. Are you just thinking the timing of it? Or do you think any changes are bad for us?[/quote]
I think if the SEC goes to 16 teams, you’ll see the rest of the conferences follow suit and possibly form a new division. Either 4 conferences making 64 total teams or 5 conferences making 80 teams. If it happens today we won’t even be on the radar.
I agree conference shake ups is what we ultimately need to happen. But only when we have a FBS ready team. If this was happening 5 years from now I’d be more excited about it.[/quote]
Got ya - thanks! I agree that If they break away it could be VERY bad for us. I also think though if they do that and start basically locking teams out of the chance at a title the government will step in.64 or 80 teams - there will be some programs on the rise and some historical programs that will get left out.[/quote]
I would hope the government would step in. But the only guy that I am aware of, Senator Hatch, is probably no longer concerned about it since Utah is now in the Pac10. He probably considers his job accomplished.
They would leave out some good programs but they already do that with the BCS.
How would they ever survive without that $300 deal?[/quote]
Ha! But to put it into perspective, that contract would basically cover our entire athletic budget for the next 20 years. It’s a big deal. Then we could afford chair backs. :)[/quote]
$300 goes a lot further than I thought.
Funny. My mistake. 300 [size=7]MILLION[/size].
I disagree. Joining the SEC could be the magic tipping point for A&M. They’re in one of the top recruiting hot beds [texas] in the entire country. But a staggeringly low number of recruits leave the state to join the SEC (according to numbers I’ve heard on the radio at least). Texas A&M competes with the almighty Texas to get recruits. Now they can say to recruits “hey, you can stay close to home and play in the best football league in the entire nation”.
This is also a major part of the SEC’s plan to get into Texas. This would allow the SEC schools to better tap into one of the best recruiting states. If nothing else, it will get more SEC schools in front of Texas [state] recruits.
Oh, that’s a little different.
Looks like there will be no SEC expansion. How do so many people get this wrong? What happened? Looked like a done deal.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6861385/sec-extend-invitation-texas-leaves-options-open