SEC expansion influence in NC

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[quote=“HP23, post:140, topic:25611”][quote=“NinerWupAss, post:139, topic:25611”][font=calibri]http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/01/ou-to-jump-to-pac-12-sooner-rather-than-later/[/font][font=calibri] [/font]

[font=calibri]hello Pac-16![/font]

[font=calibri]Pretty much promises that the SEC will go to 16. Question then is what is the impacto n the ACC/Big East and CUSA.[/font][/quote]

Hmm very interesting. In that scenario (Pac 16, SEC 16, Big 12 dead leaving 5 homeless teams) you would have to imagine that ACC/Big 10/Big East would try to get to 16 as well. There would be poaching among conferences, but even assuming that all 5 homeless Big 12 teams get in one of the BCS conferences, you are looking at 13 (!) new spots for current non-BCS teams (7 Big East, 4 ACC, 4 Big Ten, 3 SEC minus the 5 Big 12.)

Carrying it a step further, you could imagine most of those new spots being in ACC/Big East (SEC would probably poach ACC and Big 10 would probably take a few of the homeless Big 12 teams). Something like that could be great for us. I still think the BCS would be a huge long shot, but at least there would be more spots open. At the very least that would probably lead to some open spots in CUSA.

So many what if scenarios. That is just one of many. There are lots of ways a Pac 16 and SEC 16 could work out great for us, as well as ways that it could be a disaster.[/quote]

There’s no guarantee that there will be 5 BCS conferences when the smoke clears. There may only be 4. The Big 12 appears to be dying, although I hope that they will basically absorb the best of the MWC and CUSA West and keep their BCS bid in tact. The Big 10 will likely add 4, and either the ACC or Big East are going to rob from one another to fill their vacancies. So, either the Big East or ACC is going to have to add CUSA teams and other FCS/MAC teams in order to fill up their league. This also assumes that both of those conferences keep their BCS bids. Who’s to say the BCS doesn’t cut their automatic bids back to 4, meaning two of the current BCS conferences basically go away. That’s what the rumor was last year when the shuffling rumors first started. We’ll see. Six 16-team BCS conferences would give us our best shot, but I’ll be really surprised if there are even 5 when the dust settles.

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[font=calibri]hello Pac-16![/font]

[font=calibri]Pretty much promises that the SEC will go to 16. Question then is what is the impacto n the ACC/Big East and CUSA.[/font][/quote]

Hmm very interesting. In that scenario (Pac 16, SEC 16, Big 12 dead leaving 5 homeless teams) you would have to imagine that ACC/Big 10/Big East would try to get to 16 as well. There would be poaching among conferences, but even assuming that all 5 homeless Big 12 teams get in one of the BCS conferences, you are looking at 13 (!) new spots for current non-BCS teams (7 Big East, 4 ACC, 4 Big Ten, 3 SEC minus the 5 Big 12.)

Carrying it a step further, you could imagine most of those new spots being in ACC/Big East (SEC would probably poach ACC and Big 10 would probably take a few of the homeless Big 12 teams). Something like that could be great for us. I still think the BCS would be a huge long shot, but at least there would be more spots open. At the very least that would probably lead to some open spots in CUSA.

So many what if scenarios. That is just one of many. There are lots of ways a Pac 16 and SEC 16 could work out great for us, as well as ways that it could be a disaster.[/quote]

There’s no guarantee that there will be 5 BCS conferences when the smoke clears. There may only be 4. The Big 12 appears to be dying, although I hope that they will basically absorb the best of the MWC and CUSA West and keep their BCS bid in tact. The Big 10 will likely add 4, and either the ACC or Big East are going to rob from one another to fill their vacancies. So, either the Big East or ACC is going to have to add CUSA teams and other FCS/MAC teams in order to fill up their league. This also assumes that both of those conferences keep their BCS bids. Who’s to say the BCS doesn’t cut their automatic bids back to 4, meaning two of the current BCS conferences basically go away. That’s what the rumor was last year when the shuffling rumors first started. We’ll see. Six 16-team BCS conferences would give us our best shot, but I’ll be really surprised if there are even 5 when the dust settles.[/quote]

I think 4 leaves to many big dogs out. 5 would probably get most of the current big school in and leaves room for them add in a non AQ in a playoff to avoid law suits but I don’t think we make it in the 5. I do think we could make it into the top non AQ conference though. 6 I would hope gets us in.

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If we are assuming 16 team leagues

4x6 = 64
5x6 = 80
6x6 = 96

I think five 16 team leagues is most likely. That means that we would have to elevate our prominence, if not our actual success/money. And we probably have less than 5 years to do it. This is going to be extremely difficult. I think once this is going to be the best window of opportunity for some time.

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[quote=“NinerAdvocate, post:143, topic:25611”]If we are assuming 16 team leagues

4x6 = 64
5x6 = 80
6x6 = 96

I think five 16 team leagues is most likely. That means that we would have to elevate our prominence, if not our actual success/money. And we probably have less than 5 years to do it. This is going to be extremely difficult. I think once this is going to be the best window of opportunity for some time.[/quote]

And that is why I was arguing that it would be best if this was happening 5 years from now. IMO we really needed things to stay put for a couple of years. On top of that, we really needed the Big12 and the Big East to be super competitive in both basketball and football. I’m partly pulling for a Oklahoma/WVU BCS Championship game.

I tried to get this debate going last year when Nebraska jumped to the BigTen. But most felt that 16 team super conferences was far fetched. Now that the SEC is more than likely going to 14(at a minimum), the ACC, BigTen and PAC10 will definitely react.

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[quote=“NinerAdvocate, post:143, topic:25611”]If we are assuming 16 team leagues

4x6 = 64
5x6 = 80
6x6 = 96

I think five 16 team leagues is most likely. That means that we would have to elevate our prominence, if not our actual success/money. And we probably have less than 5 years to do it. This is going to be extremely difficult. I think once this is going to be the best window of opportunity for some time.[/quote]

Need a spreadsheet for all of the moves projected, but here’s what I deduced writing down some teams:

Conference Additions (Confirmed in bold)
SEC: Texas A&M, Missouri, FSU-VaTech-Clemson (2 of those 3)
Big 10: Kansas, Kansas State, Notre Dame, Louisville (Cincy if Notre Dame stays indy).
PAC 10: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech
ACC: West Virginia, Pitt, UConn, USF, Cincy, Syracuse (Rutgers if Cincy goes to Big 10)

Missouri was rumored to the SEC last year. They would be a better fit in the Big 10, but I just listed them where the rumors had them.

The Big East basketball teams in my opinion are going to wind up handcuffing the conference and allow the ACC to do the poaching instead of the Big East poaching the ACC. The Big East already has 17 total members, and I don’t see ACC members jumping to go to a 20+ team league. I think The ACC will add 6 (after losing 2 to the SEC).

So then you have a Big 12 with two teams left and the Big East with 2 or none.

Not looking good for us with that scenario. The Big East basketball schools would still be lingering, but that does not help us for football. If the Big 12 stays alive, one would figure that they would absorb the MWC and add 2-4 CUSA teams. The MWC schools would jump if it meant that got them an automatic BCS bid. Our hope for BCS conference membership hinges on 3-4 Big East football teams being left out and them having to add 4+ teams to get their total (including non-football schools) back to 16.

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I think we all wish were either already playing or that this would hold off for a few more years - but I still think we are in the window.

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Put me on the record: This will cause the Big East split.

Big East football will not allow the basketball schools to handcuff them. The stakes here are very high, BE football knows it has to expand or die.

If the basketball schools prevent the football conference from expanding, those schools will leave to form their own conference.

I think there is still a chance of all six current BCS conferences going to 16 teams, provided that the Big XII does rebuild and my prediction about the Big East does remain true.

If this is the case, call me crazy… but I kind of like our chances of making that 96. This will take a few years to all fall completely into place, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see one of those conferences willing to play with 15 for a year in order to get a team in this Charlotte market.

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I think we all wish were either already playing or that this would hold off for a few more years - but I still think we are in the window.[/quote]

I think so too. It’ll just depend on how quickly everything happens. Our best option is probably for conference realignments to take at least 3 years and for the Big East to remain a BCS conference.

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I think we all wish were either already playing or that this would hold off for a few more years - but I still think we are in the window.[/quote]

I think so too. It’ll just depend on how quickly everything happens. Our best option is probably for conference realignments to take at least 3 years and for the Big East to remain a BCS conference.[/quote]

Also keep in mind that if conferences are going to 16 they don’t need us playing football yet to hold a champ game. So while we won’t be anyones #1-12 if they have to wait we could be 12-16 if we aren’t playing yet.

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I think we all wish were either already playing or that this would hold off for a few more years - but I still think we are in the window.[/quote]

I think so too. It’ll just depend on how quickly everything happens. Our best option is probably for conference realignments to take at least 3 years and for the Big East to remain a BCS conference.[/quote]

Also keep in mind that if conferences are going to 16 they don’t need us playing football yet to hold a champ game. So while we won’t be anyones #1-12 if they have to wait we could be 12-16 if we aren’t playing yet.[/quote]

I assume you mean any FBS conference. I’m still thinking BCS. The way things look now, the Big East is the only BCS conference that looks remotely possible. But if after these realignments they only have 3 teams remaining, I fear they are in jeopardy of being dropped from the BCS.