So who do you guys hire at the end of the year?

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[QUOTE=ChevEE;204425]Two things to realize… I really do not see that a coach change will be beneficial with Judy in current position. And y’all are forgetting that Lutz is in a contract. From what I remember, I believe it was extended for 8 years in 2004. Charlotte will not pay out his contract to switch because he has not done anything so bad that it’s worth the money. And from that whole Tennessee thing in 2004, I don’t see Lutz going anywhere. So please, y’all that are already lining up an interview schedule, please tell me first how the position will become vacant.[/QUOTE]

Thats what I was thinking. Lutz is signed through either 2010 or 2012 and I doubt we could afford to buy out his contract even if Judy wanted to. The only way we are getting a new coach is if Bobby goes somehwere else (I doubt anyone is interested in him now) or he steps down on his own. Otherwise we are stuck with him and will probably flounder around in mediocrity hoping for an NIT bid the next 5 years. :sad:

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[QUOTE=hootie;204427]but this is a job I dare say some people would jump at[/QUOTE]
I agree with you there Hootie. This is a job that the right coach could really do something with the program. And in the process make a nice stepping stone out of this position. Charlotte always has that potential, and most knowledgable coaches in the nation know that I believe. Just because we’re down right now or however long you say it’s been Metro… That does not mean that Charlotte is a bad opp.

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[QUOTE=hootie;204427]I personnally don’t have a problem with this being a stepping stone job for some people. It tends to keep them hunger instead of becoming fat and happy. Never hurt Tulsa or Xavier much.[/QUOTE]

I agree… if someone wants to use us as a stepping stone they have to have success here first. I’ll take a successful 3-5 years out of a coach passing through when my other option is 5 more years of Lutz-ball.

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Butch Pierre sounds intriguing, but I would prefer some HC experience. The others are retreads. I guess Doh could work here, but you guys want discipline, and look at what his Tarhole teams were like. Just dunno if I could take his baggage.

But Hootie is right - this would be a very nice step up for every coach mentioned. Coaches don’t usually take over for programs that won 20+ games the year before. The record means bupkus. We have nice facilities, a decent recent tradition, and our fickle fans will show up for a winner. The conference affiliation is a two edged sword - some coaches want more exposure, and some coaches are perfectly happy being a power in a league like the A10, and can make their own exposure.

Again, I think our template should be Xavier. Aside from being private, they are a helluva lot like us. Similar arena size & age, pretty consistent NCAA team, suburban campus. That’s where we should be right now, and striving to be better than that. That’s where we were a couple seasons ago when the wheels came off.

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I disagree with those that don’t think this is a good place to coach or that we won’t be able to get anyone decent. KSU got Huggins and Cremins is at the College of Charleston. I would think that Charlotte is more of an attractive job than either of those two schools.

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  1. Kansas State waved more money than Charlotte would/could pay.

  2. Cremins already lives in Hilton Head and was doing color for the SoCon games. Not a bad move to hire “local.”

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Excuse my ignorance on this one, but Marshall has only been courted by one school and it was CofC. You guys are much better reputation wise than CofC.

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Squid, everyone seems to think there is a good reason he has not attracted interest from larger schools. I don’t really know any details, but he is rumored to be very difficult to deal with. It is hard to argue with the success he has had at Winthrop though.

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I really don’t think that Bobby will be fired. The mild level of “success” that he has gotten us over the last few years has kept Judy her job.

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Why is there even any debate about Lutz being fired?? You guys know that’s not going to happen under Judy but it doesn’t mean that Lutz is going to stick around, regardless of his contract extension. Those things are full of clauses, loopholes and all sorts of legal mumbo-jumbo. As it has been mentioned, Bobby cares too much about this program to do any further damage to it. If he feels that his heart isn’t in it or someone else could do a better job, he will step down on his own accord. This would likely void any big buyout that we’d have to face to replace him. I just don’t see Lutz sticking around unless things take a major turn for the better. He won’t put the program through it and he won’t put himself through it.

I’m sure Bobby would love to take on a job at a high profile program but that’s not happening. But with that said, I can also see him taking on a challenge at a smaller school to rebuild his value in hopes of stepping up to a bigger program in a few years. Bobby is young enough to handle 2-3 years of rebuilding at a smaller program if it means his stock rises in the process. Sometimes you have to go back to square 1 to move forward. That may apply to both Bobby and our basketball program as well.

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I’ll contribute my 2 cents even though my thoughts are probably REALLY unpopular right now. I gotta work on my timing!

I think Coach Lutz was fired during last season’s debacle. Of course, the first reaction to a statement like that would be ‘Wait a minute! I see a coach with a strikingly similar resemblance to the fired coach, with the same name, and with the same stupid s*** occuring on the basketball court!’ That much is true, I agree.

But I still think the coach was fired last year. And I think I know what’s happening this year:

I was listening to a round table discussion a while back regarding head coaches with a bunch of sports commentators and a lot of former players. The consensus was that your typical head coach comes from a background of your typical sweat pants-wearing, whistle-in-the-mouth, practice running coach, but becomes promoted to more of a sports administrator when they became head coach.

The example they kept using was Joe Paterno from Penn State. Paterno isn’t a “great head coach” because he can run out in the field wearing sweat pants and can demonstrate the proper method of long-snapping a football - Paterno just knows how to run a program. So if a team is playing with awful fundamentals - the typical solution is to replace the head coach - even though the fault would probably lie in the people that such a head coach would have surrounded himself with.

I think Lutz fits the mold of the ideal head coach all those players and commentators were discussing - Lutz was someone who was pretty good during his assistant coaching days and now he’s doing a decent enough job in a role as more of a head coach/administrator role. This is evidenced by calls in some posts to fire Lutz as coach and make him the athletic director.

Does this mean Lutz played no role in how sucky the team has been? Uhm…no. I can think of a ton of situations last year when the head coach had to make a decision during the game and Lutz made the wrong choice. Plus, I thought the whole damn philosophy of the team was inappropriate.

The philosophy of recruiting terrific shooters to counter the more advantaged programs in the conference was pretty brilliant when were in Conference USA. Get a bunch of great shooters like Diego and win the games when they have a hot hand. It loved watching Charlotte play the role of the upsettER and watching a team like Cincinnati play the role of the upsettEE.

Now, the philosophy is inappropriate - as evidenced from last season when Withers was a Wooden candidate and the team was heaving bad threes against teams that did not exactly possess talent gaps for Charlotte to fear. I think now is about the right time to stop chasing after one-dimensional shooters and start turning into a totally different team - a team that would be very hard for Charlotte fans to become used to. Think John Chaney’s Owls. A team that is built for beating teams it is supposed to beat with solid defense and winning the turnover battle. The kind of team that’s not much fun to watch for fans of offensive basketball but would be a favorite to come out on top of the Atlantic 10 each and every season. Coach Lutz did not seem to really agree with moving towards becoming a team like that.

That’s probably why he got fired. That’s probably one of the reasons Moxley was brought in as an assistant head coach and why the new coaching staff is just now preaching making defense the identity of a team whose players have never played defense in their lives. I realize that the process of attracting a recruit can sometimes span years - so it will be interesting to see what kind of players Charlotte pursues in the future. Will it be players in the supposed mold of a Diego - like we have been pursuing recently and not getting the same results - or will it be far more “boring” (but game-winning) player who plays with the athleticism of a great defensive player but can’t do much offensively? My hunch is that it will be more like the latter, but we will have to suffer through watching the current group for a while. If I’m wrong, then we are REALLY in trouble.

Anyway, that’s my 2 cents. To all the Lutz-bashers (of which I used to be a card-carrying member), enjoy yourselves. Now is the moment for you to shine.

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So if he was fired, why is he still here again?

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[QUOTE=survivor45;204472]I’ll contribute my 2 cents even though my thoughts are probably REALLY unpopular right now. I gotta work on my timing!

I think Coach Lutz was fired during last season’s debacle. Of course, the first reaction to a statement like that would be ‘Wait a minute! I see a coach with a strikingly similar resemblance to the fired coach, with the same name, and with the same stupid s*** occuring on the basketball court!’ That much is true, I agree.

But I still think the coach was fired last year. And I think I know what’s happening this year:

I was listening to a round table discussion a while back regarding head coaches with a bunch of sports commentators and a lot of former players. The consensus was that your typical head coach comes from a background of your typical sweat pants-wearing, whistle-in-the-mouth, practice running coach, but becomes promoted to more of a sports administrator when they became head coach.

The example they kept using was Joe Paterno from Penn State. Paterno isn’t a “great head coach” because he can run out in the field wearing sweat pants and can demonstrate the proper method of long-snapping a football - Paterno just knows how to run a program. So if a team is playing with awful fundamentals - the typical solution is to replace the head coach - even though the fault would probably lie in the people that such a head coach would have surrounded himself with.

I think Lutz fits the mold of the ideal head coach all those players and commentators were discussing - Lutz was someone who was pretty good during his assistant coaching days and now he’s doing a decent enough job in a role as more of a head coach/administrator role. This is evidenced by calls in some posts to fire Lutz as coach and make him the athletic director.

Does this mean Lutz played no role in how sucky the team has been? Uhm…no. I can think of a ton of situations last year when the head coach had to make a decision during the game and Lutz made the wrong choice. Plus, I thought the whole damn philosophy of the team was inappropriate.

The philosophy of recruiting terrific shooters to counter the more advantaged programs in the conference was pretty brilliant when were in Conference USA. Get a bunch of great shooters like Diego and win the games when they have a hot hand. It loved watching Charlotte play the role of the upsettER and watching a team like Cincinnati play the role of the upsettEE.

Now, the philosophy is inappropriate - as evidenced from last season when Withers was a Wooden candidate and the team was heaving bad threes against teams that did not exactly possess talent gaps for Charlotte to fear. I think now is about the right time to stop chasing after one-dimensional shooters and start turning into a totally different team - a team that would be very hard for Charlotte fans to become used to. Think John Chaney’s Owls. A team that is built for beating teams it is supposed to beat with solid defense and winning the turnover battle. The kind of team that’s not much fun to watch for fans of offensive basketball but would be a favorite to come out on top of the Atlantic 10 each and every season. Coach Lutz did not seem to really agree with moving towards becoming a team like that.

That’s probably why he got fired. That’s probably one of the reasons Moxley was brought in as an assistant head coach and why the new coaching staff is just now preaching making defense the identity of a team whose players have never played defense in their lives. I realize that the process of attracting a recruit can sometimes span years - so it will be interesting to see what kind of players Charlotte pursues in the future. Will it be players in the supposed mold of a Diego - like we have been pursuing recently and not getting the same results - or will it be far more “boring” (but game-winning) player who plays with the athleticism of a great defensive player but can’t do much offensively? My hunch is that it will be more like the latter, but we will have to suffer through watching the current group for a while. If I’m wrong, then we are REALLY in trouble.

Anyway, that’s my 2 cents. To all the Lutz-bashers (of which I used to be a card-carrying member), enjoy yourselves. Now is the moment for you to shine.[/QUOTE]

COCAINE IS A HELL OF A DRUG!!!

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My .02 cents Butch Pierre or Orlando Early. This job needs a great recruiter more than anything and these 2 fit the bill nicely. They have also gone on to top 10 programs and know what it takes and how it should run. From a cost standpoint it is just cheaper to hire an established assistant.

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Someone needs to look at the stat, but I would think we need to compare:

of NCAA bids. Lutz + Watkins is probably greater than Doh, Buzz Peterson and Tommy Amaker.

Probably also need to compare number of schools those three have coached at.

Interesting stats to check.

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true, but if things don’t change, it will be 2 years running without a bid and a long time since the Niners have played the second weekend. Your school could do so much better.

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[QUOTE=amnesiac;204512]Someone needs to look at the stat, but I would think we need to compare:

of NCAA bids. Lutz + Watkins is probably greater than Doh, Buzz Peterson and Tommy Amaker.

Probably also need to compare number of schools those three have coached at.

Interesting stats to check.[/QUOTE]

I’m guessting either your internet only works at NNN or you are a lazy shit… (kidding)

The trio you mentioned has a combined 3 NCAA trips, 10 NIT Trips (2 NIT Championships 2 additional NIT Final 4’s) at a combined 9 schools (10 if you count SMU).

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It will cost the program far more money to rebuild the program than to allow the program to decline below our present level. We are going to have to spend money. The question the AD will have to answer is where she is going to put our money on. The present program or rebuilding. I am for cutting bait and starting over.

Many of you are wanting to put the future of our basketball program into the hands of a “hope.” If we go cheap and that does not work out, the program will be light years below where we are today and the money to rebuild the program will be harder to come by than it is now. Louisville wanted a change. They did not want to gamble. They wanted a tested race horse. Did they pay too much money! Or better yet, did they get their money back? Did their program suffer? Did they get the results they were looking for?

I believe we should go after the best candidate. Who that is I do not know. However, our next coach, must be a D 1 winner. Since we are in the A 10 we can not afford an additional 3 poor years with a cheap hope, and then realize we should have gone for a winner.

I believe we need to change our thinking. It is not “We can not afford!” Rather ask the question, "How can we afford and find the answers to that question. We shut many doors of opportunity and success when we say, “We can not afford this!”

I have waited since 77 for this program to come back. I am tired of waiting. Did you know next year will be 30 years since we were in the final four? The ball is in Judy’s court. It is truly gut check time for her and in reality, our program. I admired greatly the Louisville fans during Crum’s final year. They still came to the games when their program was down. I too will come to the games this year and give the school my support. If this year goes down the toliet and Bobby remains our coach, I will not support a program that allows the decline to continue. If we gamble our future and go cheap and get a coach that does not have a proven D 1 track record and the confidence to rebuild our program, I will gracefully move on. Will it take money? Yes! But look at it this way! If we have two more 8- 19 years, how many people will come to Halton the follow year?

Just my thoughts!

Mean Green

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It will cost the program far more money to rebuild the program than to allow the program to decline below our present level. We are going to have to spend money. The question the AD will have to answer is where she is going to put our money on. The present program or rebuilding. I am for cutting bait and starting over.

Many of you are wanting to put the future of our basketball program into the hands of a “hope.” If we go cheap and that does not work out, the program will be light years below where we are today and the money to rebuild the program will be harder to come by than it is now. Louisville wanted a change. They did not want to gamble. They wanted a tested race horse. Did they pay too much money! Or better yet, did they get their money back? Did their program suffer? Did they get the results they were looking for?

I believe we should go after the best candidate. Who that is I do not know. However, our next coach, must be a D 1 winner. Since we are in the A 10 we can not afford an additional 3 poor years with a cheap hope, and then realize we should have gone for a winner.

I believe we need to change our thinking. It is not “We can not afford!” Rather ask the question, "How can we afford and find the answers to that question. We shut many doors of opportunity and success when we say, “We can not afford this!”

I have waited since 77 for this program to come back. I am tired of waiting. Did you know next year will be 30 years since we were in the final four? The ball is in Judy’s court. It is truly gut check time for her and in reality, our program. I admired greatly the Louisville fans during Crum’s final year. They still came to the games when their program was down. I too will come to the games this year and give the school my support. If this year goes down the toliet and Bobby remains our coach, I will not support a program that allows the decline to continue. If we gamble our future and go cheap and get a coach that does not have a proven D 1 track record and the confidence to rebuild our program, I will gracefully move on. Will it take money? Yes! But look at it this way! If we have two more 8- 19 years, how many people will come to Halton the follow year?

Just my thoughts!

Mean Green

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap: :49ers: :clap::clap::clap::clap:

:thumbsup: Great post, reading that has been the best feeling I have had about 49er Athletics in about a year now.

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While I don’t think he’s “fired”, I don’t think survivor is too far away.
Bring in an old assistant, give him a year or two to get back into the local scene and name him head coach. Worked for the Suttons at OK State.
A losing/horrible season may just speed up the matter.