Lack of football is what put us in this place. Our so called leadership completely misread the landscape. Which is amazing considering we all could read it just fine.[/quote]
I have an honest, non- âwhoa is meâ question for you guys. I know we are all pretty biased about our leadership being terrible, but can anybody think of any other program that has fallen the way we have? We hear all the time about the Boiseâs, TCUâs and many of our former CUSA conference mates climbing the ladder, but I would just be interested to see who else (if there is anybody) that is, (or was) in our shoes?[/quote]
I donât think there is a team in the country that made the NCAA tournament in 7 out of the last 10 years that has had the kind of fall we have. Ridiculous to spend a decade dancing 70% of the time, to the next decade dancing 0% of the time with little accountability at the top.[/quote]
Maybe Southern Illi? Wake after Guadio, NCSU after Sendek, VT after Greenberg?
[font=verdana][size=small]Depends on how you want to look at it. If it is strictly menâs basketball since 2005 then yes we have completely fallen off the map (right there with Wake). If you are talking about athletics as a whole from A10 to CUSA, then every program went to a better league except for menâs basketball.[/size][/font]
[font=verdana]I think the big point here is for a school of our size, in a large market, and all the opportunities in the world we have vastly under performed. I look at the Soccer NC, baseball game against NC State last year, and the football game against FAU last year as barometers of what we could be.[/font]
[font=verdana]Itâs frustrating as fug, I canât every argue with someone anymore when they call us âsmall timeâ. I can barely even go to the basketball games but I get pissed every time I watch Judy stand up in her pants suit clapping like she cares.[/font]
I think itâs ridiculous to say she doesnât care. Iâm not defending the job she has done but I think to say that is asinine.
She made a bad hire and hung on to him too long as far as Major is concerned. It was a bad hire, it happens and now heâs gone.
Lutz had some good years before we tanked and she then fired him, not sure what else she could have done there. Cost some money but I think that is way overplayed.
I think she made a good hire with Price, time will tell.
I think saying we have had this massive collapse is being dramatic.
Yes, basketball is at low point and is just downright upsetting in comparison to where it once was at. But look at every other sport. Going C-USA was a step-up in literally every other sport, just like bleedsgreenandgold said.
Itâs not that we are in this pit we canât get out of. I think itâs just the thought of where we could be that makes it seem worse than it is. We are in a top 20 market with 100,000+ alumni in the area, and we struggle mightily to get our brand out there. We had a high level basketball program at one point. Poor leadership derailed what could have been a very big time for us in the mid-2000âs.
there will be plenty of upsets in the tourney which will continue the trend of the regular season and conference tournaments
Indiana, Kentucky, & Duke will all lose in the first round
at least 3 double digit seeds in the Sweet 16
no Big 12 teams in the Final Four
also i cant believe so many people are picking Kentucky to make it to Houston or even win it all they are stupid
NRG stadium is a terrible place for a basketball game everybody remembers the 2011 final four very low scoring national championship game (Connecticut beat Butler 53-41)
Maybe she cares or maybe she is just coasting into retirement, either way she isnât getting the job done and that is what matters to me.[/quote]I think we all agree the program isnât where we need or want to be. I agree with Hootie, to say she doesnât care is stupid.
does anybody think we should stick in CUSA or go to another conference like the AAC (Cincy rivalry again!) in the future with a conference like the AAC you do have name brand schools especially in basketball (UCONN, Memphis and Temple is a sold program) but it would be cool if we could of stayed in the A10 (Dayton, St Bonnie, Davidson, VCU, St Joes) but since they dont have football we cant be in the conference or can we just go to the A10 just for basketball that would be neat
[quote=âStar Wars Maniac, post:28, topic:30246â]does anybody think we should stick in CUSA or go to another conference like the AAC (Cincy rivalry again!) in the future with a conference like the AAC you do have name brand schools especially in basketball (UCONN, Memphis and Temple is a sold program) but it would be cool if we could of stayed in the A10 (Dayton, St Bonnie, Davidson, VCU, St Joes) but since they dont have football we cant be in the conference or can we just go to the A10 just for basketball that would be neat[/quote]You jump to AAC at the drop of a dime if offered.
Maybe she cares or maybe she is just coasting into retirement, either way she isnât getting the job done and that is what matters to me.[/quote]I think we all agree the program isnât where we need or want to be. I agree with Hootie, to say she doesnât care is stupid.[/quote]
Is there really that much difference between not caring and being asleep at the wheel?? Its semantics IMO, both take a more than average level of âI donât give a shitâ. We are a few days shy of the 11th anniversary since our last NCAA Tournament appearance, and the 15th anniversary since our last NCAA tournament victory. This horse has been beaten to death more times than Iâd like to count, but Iâm tired of not giving a shit about the Selection Show.
[quote=â309er, post:24, topic:30246â]I think saying we have had this massive collapse is being dramatic.
Yes, basketball is at low point and is just downright upsetting in comparison to where it once was at. But look at every other sport. Going C-USA was a step-up in literally every other sport, just like bleedsgreenandgold said.
Itâs not that we are in this pit we canât get out of. I think itâs just the thought of where we could be that makes it seem worse than it is. We are in a top 20 market with 100,000+ alumni in the area, and we struggle mightily to get our brand out there. We had a high level basketball program at one point. Poor leadership derailed what could have been a very big time for us in the mid-2000âs.[/quote]
I think this is the mindset of our ADâs office. We traded potential high level basketball for low level basketball and football, which is justified because our non-revenue sports can now compete at a higher level.
Maybe she cares or maybe she is just coasting into retirement, either way she isnât getting the job done and that is what matters to me.[/quote]I think we all agree the program isnât where we need or want to be. I agree with Hootie, to say she doesnât care is stupid.[/quote]
Honest hypothetical question: What do you think would happen be if the AAC called Judy and Phillip tomorrow and told them they wanted us to join their league in 2 or 3 years on the condition that we expand our football stadium to at least 30,000?
[quote=âCharlotte2002, post:31, topic:30246â][quote=â309er, post:24, topic:30246â]I think saying we have had this massive collapse is being dramatic.
Yes, basketball is at low point and is just downright upsetting in comparison to where it once was at. But look at every other sport. Going C-USA was a step-up in literally every other sport, just like bleedsgreenandgold said.
Itâs not that we are in this pit we canât get out of. I think itâs just the thought of where we could be that makes it seem worse than it is. We are in a top 20 market with 100,000+ alumni in the area, and we struggle mightily to get our brand out there. We had a high level basketball program at one point. Poor leadership derailed what could have been a very big time for us in the mid-2000âs.[/quote]
I think this is the mindset of our ADâs office. We traded potential high level basketball for low level basketball and football, which is justified because our non-revenue sports can now compete at a higher level.[/quote]
Judy stated on many occasions that she would not hurt basketball for the sake of football.
[quote=âTheShowDawg, post:34, topic:30246â][quote=âCharlotte2002, post:31, topic:30246â][quote=â309er, post:24, topic:30246â]I think saying we have had this massive collapse is being dramatic.
Yes, basketball is at low point and is just downright upsetting in comparison to where it once was at. But look at every other sport. Going C-USA was a step-up in literally every other sport, just like bleedsgreenandgold said.
Itâs not that we are in this pit we canât get out of. I think itâs just the thought of where we could be that makes it seem worse than it is. We are in a top 20 market with 100,000+ alumni in the area, and we struggle mightily to get our brand out there. We had a high level basketball program at one point. Poor leadership derailed what could have been a very big time for us in the mid-2000âs.[/quote]
I think this is the mindset of our ADâs office. We traded potential high level basketball for low level basketball and football, which is justified because our non-revenue sports can now compete at a higher level.[/quote]
Judy stated on many occasions that she would not hurt basketball for the sake of football.[/quote]
What would you expect an AD to say? âYes, we have limited resources and basketball is going to have to give it up for football.â That would kill recruiting and any chance of hiring a coach that is any better thanâŚwell, Alan Major. Sometimes you just have to say, what you have to say.
[quote=âninerID, post:36, topic:30246â]CUSA didnât kill basketball at Charlotte.
Rose, CHP, Major killed basketball at Charlotte.[/quote]
Basketball was coughing up blood when Major got here. He just did not stop the trend (which was his job).
[quote=âNugget, post:37, topic:30246â][quote=âninerID, post:36, topic:30246â]CUSA didnât kill basketball at Charlotte.
Rose, CHP, Major killed basketball at Charlotte.[/quote]
Basketball was coughing up blood when Major got here. He just did not stop the trend (which was his job).[/quote]
Basketball certainly wasnât knocking it out. We did fire a coach with 19 wins and a winning conference record with 2 NITs in his last 5 years. So to be fair basketball wasnât in a great place but it certainly wasnât dead. Major totally destroyed it though. The team, the fans, everything. Our admin absolutely killed things though. I am not sure you could do a better job if you tried.
[quote=âNugget, post:37, topic:30246â][quote=âninerID, post:36, topic:30246â]CUSA didnât kill basketball at Charlotte.
Rose, CHP, Major killed basketball at Charlotte.[/quote]
Basketball was coughing up blood when Major got here. He just did not stop the trend (which was his job).[/quote]
Our basketball program was diagnosed with a deadly disease the day all the good teams left C-USA 1.0 for the Big East. We were left out in the cold, just like Mike Tranghese told Judy back in 2000 that we would be, and our downward spiral started in March 2005. Alan Major was probably our Dr. Kevorkian.