Time for changes

I think our problems start a the top. I don’t think Judy has done a very good job of late. I’m not even talking about football or the Conference situation. Looking at the state of our entire athletic program, we aren’t very good.

Looking at on the field performance, Men’s hoops regularly makes the NCAA’s, the Women have gotten better (not great, but better), Baseball is the picture of mediocrity, Men’s soccer had it’s time in the sun but has taken a few steps back, women’s soccer looks like it its heading in the same direction. The rest of our sports are out of view or a Title IX sport of two. looking at all of our teams as a whole, I would say the performance is average at best. If our Athletic Department was in the American League we would finish 80-82, 18 games out of first.

Looking at the financial aspect of our program, I would gather it is even worse shape. Men’s hoops is what butters our collective bread, I just saw in the Observer this morning that Bobby’s base is 155K. I’m not sure what his total deal is, but I know that since we don’t have a TV package it can’t be all that great (relative to other coaches). Why isn’t the coach of our premier sport paid better? I know, because we don’t have the money. It is the responsibility of the AD to raise money. This is area #1 where our AD has failed miserably. Sans Pepsi, we have no real big $$ corporate partners. Sure, I see Healthy Choice, Food Lion, CTC and a few other names, but the don’t pony up big time cash. Certainly their contributions are appreciated, but the AD needs to catch bigger fish for us to succeed.

How do you get these sponsors? I’m sure success on the fields of play would make it an easier sell, making a solid run in the NCAA’s would due wonders (dead horse). Having a packed house every night would certainly be more attractive to potential advertisers, as would having an appeal to people outside of students and alumni. Here is my #1a beef with our AD and the entire department. OUR MARKETING OF THE BRAND AND PRODUCT SUCKS!.. Hell, when our students aren’t entirely sure when games are because it isn’t in their face how is a casual fan supposed to know. Some here think it is up to the media, specifically- the Observer to promote our games etc… I totally disagree, we have an AD and a marketing Department that has completely dropped the ball. If they do their job and get the word out we won’t need to depend on any media outlet for frontline promotion

We are at a major crossroads. We have switched conferences for the worse, our coach is in talks with an SEC school, we can’t advance past the first round of the NCAA’s, and outside of our hard-core fanbase few people care about our program.

I think it is time to make a bigger change. Judy has done an OK job, but I think we need someone else to take the next steps. Sometimes a new perspective is needed to deal with big time changes. This may apply to both our coach and our AD.

We have a brand new chancellor. One of his missions is stated to be better branding of the University - major positive if done right. I believe he wants to erase the disconnect between the city of Charlotte and UNC Charlotte - again major positive. In doing so, with or without Judy, we could see a better relationship with the business community and potentially more dollars from them. I agree that a more dynamic figure as AD could benefit us in the near future considering where we currently sit. And don’t even get me started on the state of the men’s soccer program :ticked:

I have a bad feeling that if Lutz leaves, then Judy will drop the ball in selecting his replacement. I can just see it now…a press conference announcing some Joe Schmoe that no one has heard of, as our new coach. Someone not even mentioned on this board. I think a change is needed at the AD position.

[i]Originally posted by Mr. Bojangles[/i]@Mar 23 2005, 09:47 AM [b] I can just see it now...a press conference announcing some Joe Schmoe that no one has heard of, as our new coach. [/b]
That "Joe Schmoe" list includes Lee Rose, Melvin Watkins, and Bobby Lutz at UNCC. And some guy they call Coach K at Duke. A name doesn't always equal success.
[b]That "Joe Schmoe" list includes Lee Rose, Melvin Watkins, and Bobby Lutz at UNCC.[/b]

and also includes some guy with the last name of Wissel.

[i]Originally posted by run49er+Mar 23 2005, 10:51 AM-->
[b]QUOTE[/b] (run49er @ Mar 23 2005, 10:51 AM)
[i]Originally posted by Mr. Bojangles+Mar 23 2005, 10:12 AM-->
[b]QUOTE[/b] (Mr. Bojangles @ Mar 23 2005, 10:12 AM)
Originally posted by run49er@Mar 23 2005, 10:51 AM [b]
[i]Originally posted by SilvioDante[/i]@Mar 23 2005, 09:57 AM [b]
[b]That "Joe Schmoe" list includes Lee Rose, Melvin Watkins, and Bobby Lutz at UNCC.[/b]

and also includes some guy with the last name of Wissel. [/b]


No argument there, though Wissel did have some noteriety due to his success at Florida Southern. Also, Wissel had coached at the DI level prior to the Florida Southern gig.

Chris Collins. Bring back another Duke alum.

[i]Originally posted by NormanNiner[/i]@Mar 23 2005, 10:41 AM [b] Chris Collins. Bring back another Duke alum. [/b]
He is a little c***. I'd like to fight him.
[i]Originally posted by s9er[/i]@Mar 23 2005, 10:13 AM [b]

Looking at the financial aspect of our program, I would gather it is even worse shape. [/b]


Whether its hiring coaches and keeping them, or so many aspects of our program, it always comes back to money. We have lost decent radio and TV coverage in the past few years.
If the coach cant win, we need to replace him. Its a given, and it’s the same for other areas of our program… We need people in here who believe this area has plenty of potential support, (both fans and money), and can get the job done. We have heard “we don’t have the money” too long. Get people in here who can produce!

i’m starting to wonder if we should’ve stayed in CUSA, to keep our NCAA money…if money is such i big issue.

[i]Originally posted by NinerOne[/i]@Mar 23 2005, 11:53 AM [b] i'm starting to wonder if we should've stayed in CUSA, to keep our NCAA money....if money is such i big issue. [/b]
Cincy, DePaul, UofL, Marquette, TCU, and USF are leaving C-USA because they want to.

Charlotte and Saint Louis were shown the door. Britton & Co. can keep their money (minus the $1 million they “gave away” with their City of Memphis screw up!)…

I’ve posted this befor. My mom works at the corporate office’s for Lowe’s Home Improvment. Their head quaters is in Mooresville. The original owner just retired and gave the reigns to the new owner…a 1980 something grad of Belk College Buissness of UNCC…

Why can’t we get Lowes, who gives ass loads of money (I’m talking tens of millions) to Hendrick motorsports and other people, a little bit of cash and be our main sponser???Or even just A sponser???

And what ever happened to Clay? I saw at the ECU game he gave us a $25,000 check…but come on man, if you really love our school you can give a little more. He’s probably the highest payed grad from here, why can’t he fork over some money? We can name one of those new buildings Aiken or something…

[i]Originally posted by NinerOne[/i]@Mar 23 2005, 12:53 PM [b] i'm starting to wonder if we should've stayed in CUSA, to keep our NCAA money....if money is such i big issue. [/b]
Apparently, we will lose more on Lutz' contract. We have to get people who can manage the money we have, instead of pissing it away, and not spending it on what we need. Moreover, we need people who understand how to bring in money.
[i]Originally posted by Mr. Bojangles[/i]@Mar 23 2005, 10:12 AM [b] From reading this board, there are 4 main candidates, Doherty, Marshall, Capel, McKillop, to take Bobby's spot assuming he leaves.[/b]
Everyone here needs to realize that the people on this board have about as much input on who is going to be the next Pope as they do on who is going to be considered to replace Bobby if he leaves.
[i]Originally posted by bigNINERdaddy+Mar 23 2005, 12:10 PM-->
[b]QUOTE[/b] (bigNINERdaddy @ Mar 23 2005, 12:10 PM)

i dont know the ins/outs, but did we basically get kicked out of CUSA and allowed them to basically Steal all revenues from NCAA’s we had coming to us?

[i]Originally posted by NinerOne[/i]@Mar 23 2005, 12:26 PM [b] i dont know the ins/outs, but did we basically get kicked out of CUSA and allowed them to basically Steal all revenues from NCAA's we had coming to us? [/b]
From all the recent reports about the financial ineptitude of the league office in Irving, Texas, I'd have to doubt that.

I agree about Lowes and have been saying it for the past 2 years. If you cut on any NC State basketball game, Lowes is one of their primary sponsors.

NASCAR is where the big time jack is. We are slowly sliding into that market.