Are you saying it is possible to land good players and still have a bad team because the coach cannot coach those good players? That concept worries me a little.
Major is trying to bring in a type of player. He likes size, but has brought in a PG under 6â. Major seems to believe that character is important.
Compare this this to Bob Huggins who seems to seek those without good character. Huggins is about as cynical as it gets. A big, bright, white thug of a coach. I think he influenced Lutz in suggesting that character does not get it done. Iâm not suggesting that Lutz does not have high character. Only that he bought into the Thuggins philosophy that it is worth bringing in troubled kids if they have enough talent (Spears).
If Major can translate his thinking into wins, it will be for the long-run.
withers was actually like 6"7". braswell is 6â9".
What does is matter? Curt was a load who could get off the floor with his weight and height. Now, I might argue Brazwellâs skillset on the block might be slightly better (spins, finesse moves), and both guys had/have iffy shots, but Curtis found ways to score, he ran the floor, he grabbed nearly every rebound his way, he was a special player.
Braswell could do the same, but Curtis also got to play the 4 each year here. Whether it was Iti or Nance, Curtis didnât have to play the 5 in a 4âs body like Chris has had to.
Well played by Major⌠Now we have the excuse most of our players are just Freshman and will get better while we win 13 games.
[quote=âNinerWupAss, post:56, topic:26647â][quote=âNormmm, post:55, topic:26647â]My point about getting another season is that I think heâll get a little more leeway with the time frame due to the loss of so many players. We use that excuse all the time for the '10-11 season. âWe only had 7 playersâ.
In other words, maybe next season 19 wins would be perceived as progress. But now, with the loss of Deuce, maybe 16 wins will be the measure for progress. [/quote]
I might be in the minority, but I actually count Deuce and KJ leaving as a positive for Major and the removal of an excuse rather than an excuse that can be applied.
In other words had they stayed we would have heard again that Deuce canât play in Majorâs system, that KJ is hurt that Deuce is Bobbyâs player and that KJ was tight with Shamari.
Now with the exception of Bras this is Majorâs team. He has his guys, playing his system without being the impacted by the philosophy of the previous staff. To me that means we move closer to know if Major is the man or not. If we had been losing real production from these two I can understand your point, but we arenât. In KJs case we arenât even losing someone who would have qualified as a solid senior leader based on behavior I have heard.[/quote]
I get what youâre saying and agree with it. I said about midway through the season that the sooner that Major getâs all of his guys in the better. Not necessarily that the former players were that bad. But it was clear that either they werenât buying in or Major didnât buy into them. Probably a little of both.
But as far as not using the former players excuse, it will lend itself to having to play freshmen excuse. Which in turn can lead to longer time to rebuild. Thatâs what I was getting at.
As far as Deuce, we can go back and forth on how good he was. Iâm not trying to say he was a 1st team all-conference guy. But he was a starter. Probably helped get us 3 to 5 wins this season. Would he be a factor in 3-5 wins next year? Who knows.
[quote=âPowerbait, post:59, topic:26647â]State already had a loaded team when Gottfried took over. They were about as bad as we are when Sendek took over.
Lowe was a bad coach, but he didnât bring in poor talent.[/quote]
Loweâs average finish in the ACC, over 5 seasons, was 10th. He was 25-55 in the ACC. (Just for reference, Lutz was 41-39 in his 5 years in the A10) If there was ever a program needing ârebuildingâ it was NCSU.
[quote=âNormmm, post:67, topic:26647â][quote=âPowerbait, post:59, topic:26647â]State already had a loaded team when Gottfried took over. They were about as bad as we are when Sendek took over.
Lowe was a bad coach, but he didnât bring in poor talent.[/quote]
Loweâs average finish in the ACC, over 5 seasons, was 10th. He was 25-55 in the ACC. (Just for reference, Lutz was 41-39 in his 5 years in the A10) If there was ever a program needing ârebuildingâ it was NCSU.[/quote]
The caliber of recruit he was getting there was far better than what we were getting here.
I donât think you can make the he won us so many games argument, especially a role player. He may have lost us some too or the other guy who was playing might have done better. Basically you are entering an alternate reality and it gets too complex to make any real sense out of.
Iâd rather give Terrence Williams, all Briscoeâs and Greenâs minutes from this year, next year and let him have a chance to improve.
The only way Briscoe will be missed the way he played this year is if we have an injury at the guard position and we donât bring anyone in decent to replace Briscoeâs minutes.
There is no magic bullet for improvement. The A-10 is going to be good next year. We got lucky with Duquesne losing players and may finish a spot higher. It is tricky, as we want the league to be good, but we want to finish high.
Hopefully, Clayton will be an impact player. Hopefully, everyone improves and there are no major injuries. Hopefully, the other new players adjust well and give us some quality minutes. Hopefully, Major becomes an improved coach and learns to manage and inspire his players. Hopefully, with the extra scholarships we can land some useful players.
[quote=âNinerballin, post:64, topic:26647â]What does is matter? Curt was a load who could get off the floor with his weight and height. Now, I might argue Brazwellâs skillset on the block might be slightly better (spins, finesse moves), and both guys had/have iffy shots, but Curtis found ways to score, he ran the floor, he grabbed nearly every rebound his way, he was a special player.
Braswell could do the same, but Curtis also got to play the 4 each year here. Whether it was Iti or Nance, Curtis didnât have to play the 5 in a 4âs body like Chris has had to.[/quote] With this discussion about Withers vs. Braswellâs NBA chances, Iâd qualify the comparisons with the fact that Withers not getting even much of a shot at bench minutes or being a role player on an NBA team was a mystery to me. Despite being just a little undersized, he was an elite rebounder and wouldâve helped some NBA teams by coming in for a few minutes a game and grabbing every rebound. He lost a little of his agility when he really bulked up in the weight room, but gained tremendous power in the post.
Braswell would have to improve to make the NBA as far as I can tell, but he does have some better skills than Withers already, including a better outside shot, better passing vision, and better post moves. His lack of ability to jump as high as other post players is quite a limitation for the NBA though, and would be difficult to improve upon. If we can get someone to man the center some this year, itâll be interesting to see how he does against power forwards, but in the Miami game, their pf (who had a great game) was often the guy on Braswell and he still bothered him quite a bit.
[quote=â9erken, post:70, topic:26647â][quote=âNinerballin, post:64, topic:26647â]What does is matter? Curt was a load who could get off the floor with his weight and height. Now, I might argue Brazwellâs skillset on the block might be slightly better (spins, finesse moves), and both guys had/have iffy shots, but Curtis found ways to score, he ran the floor, he grabbed nearly every rebound his way, he was a special player.
Braswell could do the same, but Curtis also got to play the 4 each year here. Whether it was Iti or Nance, Curtis didnât have to play the 5 in a 4âs body like Chris has had to.[/quote] With this discussion about Withers vs. Braswellâs NBA chances, Iâd qualify the comparisons with the fact that Withers not getting even much of a shot at bench minutes or being a role player on an NBA team was a mystery to me. Despite being just a little undersized, he was an elite rebounder and wouldâve helped some NBA teams by coming in for a few minutes a game and grabbing every rebound. He lost a little of his agility when he really bulked up in the weight room, but gained tremendous power in the post.
Braswell would have to improve to make the NBA as far as I can tell, but he does have some better skills than Withers already, including a better outside shot, better passing vision, and better post moves. His lack of ability to jump as high as other post players is quite a limitation for the NBA though, and would be difficult to improve upon. If we can get someone to man the center some this year, itâll be interesting to see how he does against power forwards, but in the Miami game, their pf (who had a great game) was often the guy on Braswell and he still bothered him quite a bit.[/quote]Better outside shot?
Withers shot 32 or 33% from outside on more shots.
Anyway, lets not derail this thread any further. Braswelll and Withers are/were both excellent players for the Niners. We were fortunate to have had both.
[quote=âNiner National, post:71, topic:26647â]Better outside shot?
Withers shot 32 or 33% from outside on more shots.
Anyway, lets not derail this thread any further. Braswelll and Withers are/were both excellent players for the Niners. We were fortunate to have had both.[/quote]Youâre right, Iâd forgotten Withers hitting that many. I guess Iâd remembered unhappiness with him taking 3âs at the time (especially senior year), versus Braswell now, but maybe thatâs relative to the other shooters on the team.
withers was actually like 6"7". braswell is 6â9".[/quote]
Withers 6â8" (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/12143/curtis-withers)
Braswell 6â8" (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/45925/chris-braswell)
[quote=âPowerbait, post:36, topic:26647â]I know that Sherrill wasnât going to play this year. Iâm sure Sherrill is shocked now, but he was publicly broadcasting his disinterest in this program and this coach. Couple that with ineffective minutes on the floor and I donât see this as a surprise or an issue.
I want all of our players to be on the level we project them to be. But some of them arenât. I honestly think most freshmen big men could give us a basket and a rebound a game, even if on accident, in playing 13 mpg. I also see nothing in this history of this program that suggests that Sherrill or Deuce had their scholarships revoked. I can imagine they were both told what their roles were going to be next year and neither one was happy with it.[/quote]
exactly. i know nothing is âofficialâ to what happened to derrio, but i think major sat him so terrence could get more experience. his mpg went up as derrioâs dropped. deuce didnât sit because he was a scoring threat (even with his lack of size). now that shawnâs coming in, heâll rotate terrence, shawn and demario at the 2, getting the younger guys more experience. itâs not fair to deuce to basically sit his senior year. glad he has the option to go elsewhere.
same with kj. darion and willie are coming in, get them some minutes. add in the fact we need to get mike on the floor and see how heâs improved, there isnât much space for kj to get in the game. yet again, let him know where he stands on the team, give him the option to go elsewhere.
as far as braswell, this is his team now.
Oriakhi > KJ. Weâll be fine.
Braswell has 0 shot in the NBA.
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Shabazz > Oriakhi > JT Thompson > KJ. Just fine.
Nerlens Noel
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Right now, perhaps that is the case, but you never know.