[quote=“Mr. Bojangles, post:220, topic:29110”]https://twitter.com/PhilHecken/status/575365685553012737
UAB softball wearing #FreeUAB helmets tonight against Alabama
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Nice.
A $25 deposit is kinda weak to show the administration that people are serious. That is less than 15% of the cost of our current season ticket prices. If they want football back they should get people to commit a refundable $200 per season ticket. If they can get 20,000 to 30,000 committed to that, it is only $4,000,000 to $6,000,000. It would be iffy to try to bring the team back with that kind of money much less the $250,000 to $500,000 they may get from the $25 deal. To get football going Charlotte fans were committing to FSL’s at $1000 each or better. I just feel like people are trying to fight a house fire with water guns with this deal.
If they had 30000 season tickets they’d lead the g5.
A $25 deposit is kinda weak to show the administration that people are serious. That is less than 15% of the cost of our current season ticket prices. If they want football back they should get people to commit a refundable $200 per season ticket. If they can get 20,000 to 30,000 committed to that, it is only $4,000,000 to $6,000,000. It would be iffy to try to bring the team back with that kind of money much less the $250,000 to $500,000 they may get from the $25 deal. To get football going Charlotte fans were committing to FSL’s at $1000 each or better. I just feel like people are trying to fight a house fire with water guns with this deal.[/quote]
$25 is way to low. I actually thought about giving $25 just to help, but that would be extent of it.
A $25 deposit is kinda weak to show the administration that people are serious. That is less than 15% of the cost of our current season ticket prices. If they want football back they should get people to commit a refundable $200 per season ticket. If they can get 20,000 to 30,000 committed to that, it is only $4,000,000 to $6,000,000. It would be iffy to try to bring the team back with that kind of money much less the $250,000 to $500,000 they may get from the $25 deal. To get football going Charlotte fans were committing to FSL’s at $1000 each or better. I just feel like people are trying to fight a house fire with water guns with this deal.[/quote]
$25 is way to low. I actually thought about giving $25 just to help, but that would be extent of it.[/quote]
$25 is low but it is more than we were asked to commit to initially. Remember we had to fill out a form and ‘commit’ to buying FSLs. Everybody signed up but when it came time to spend some actual money on FSLs, thousands backed out.
Thanks Niner National for letting us know about the recent developments:
Smoking gun. Calling for the termination of President Watts. Reform of the BoT.
[quote=“NA, post:227, topic:29110”]Thanks Niner National for letting us know about the recent developments:
Smoking gun. Calling for the termination of President Watts. Reform of the BoT.[/quote]
“Were the members of the Committee not Board members they would meet the NCAA definition of a booster for the University of Alabama,” Williams said. [b]“The arrangement on the UA System Board is the only instance in NCAA Division 1 athletics where the boosters of one school have complete control over the athletic program of another Division 1 program. [/b]This committee has worked against the best interest of UAB athletics for many years and this practice must stop immediately"
Wow…
and this nugget
“UAB has contractual obligations to Conference USA and the coaching staff to compete in the 2014-15 season,” Sard Verbinnen wrote. [b]“A September/October announcement could result in a critical mass of immediate transfer requests[/b] (estimated to be at least 20-25 of the team's top players),[b] where students refuse to finish out the season as they seek to regain the year of eligibility[/b], or a full team boycott. If not effectively managed, it is conceivable that UAB would not be able to field a competitive team -- or any team.”
They knew football was going down but they held back so they could remain competitive…
Lifted from the CUSA board:
[url=http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/03/firm_that_detailed_uabs_plan_t.html]http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/03/firm_that_detailed_uabs_plan_t.html[/url]And the hits just keep on coming. Excerpt:
The public-relations firm that detailed UAB's strategic plan to announce its decision to disband three athletic programs, including football, has ties to a member of the University of Alabama Board of Trustees.Sard Verbinnen & Co, which put together detailed memos for how UAB should announce its decision as far back as September, previously worked with Birmingham-based Protective Life Corporation, whose chairman, president and chief executive officer is UA Board of Trustee John Johns, an Alabama graduate.
Among the staff members listed on the CSS staff: former Big 12 commissioner Kevin Weiberg; prominent search firm consultant Chuck Neinas; former Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds; former Southern Miss AD Richard Giannini; former Ohio State/Oregon/Minnesota AD Rick Bay; and sports business reporter Kristi Dosh.Dosh wrote an article for FoxSports.com in December that took a very preliminary look at UAB’s finances. She concluded that she doesn’t anticipate more football programs around the country being cut, but does think other sports teams could be cut as costs continue to rise in college athletics. Dosh tweeted on Feb. 9, “Prediction: UAB will reinstate football for 2016 and make Bill Carr the scapegoat,” in reference to CarrSports’ work on UAB’s initial study.
TL;DR - College Sports Solutions hired to deliver new report by May 15th.
The firm that was originally going to do the review (and was rejected by Watts) was hired to do it anyway by some UAB boosters. It turns out that the cut sports programs actually made money.
Vice Sports does a really great job. Do read this.
[quote=“NinerAdvocate, post:233, topic:29110”]https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/heres-how-the-ncaas-black-magic-accounting-turns-profit-into-loss?utm_vicesportstwitter
Vice Sports does a really great job. Do read this.[/quote]
I don’t think there is anything wrong with billing the AD for the In-State costs for tuition, fees, room and board, etc. as this is money lost because this is taking space from someone who would be paying it. I think they could even reasonably say that 10% of the student body is out-of-state therefore 10% of the AD’s fees would be paid as out-of-state. I think it is not reasonable to charge out-of-state to athletes who are from out of the state because that percentage could be 50% or more and doesn’t represent the funds the University would lose.
All in all this accounting method is practiced by many companies to determine what departments are profitable and what departments are not.
Even though it doesn’t cost Time Warner anything to show a Time Warner product, Looney Tunes, on a Time Warner station, Boomerang, I’m sure accounting says it’s a loss for one dept., & a gain for another.
Well the overall point is that a university can make the numbers say what they want by playing the shell game. There’s no way Watts would have got away with even thinking about closing down Blazer Football if the money had been in the + column. Shift the burden from one department to another and the money will say what you want it too.
There’s a lot of complicated things to consider when putting in the cost of the scholarship, but I’d argue the numbers should be at least as low as the in-state tuition. Most of the students that would take that seat will be in-state (at least at Charlotte and I’d bet that those last few are even more rarely taken by out of state students than the earlier spots), there’s probably some institutional financial aid that should be considered if any would be given to those last few students admitted, and those students will occasionally drop before paying full tuition (e.g. midway through the year). There may be other pluses to consider with those non-athletes too, such as whether they contribute to other activities and spend more money on campus, but I would bet they are less than the negatives in terms of money brought in per student.
For non-revenue sports, there may be a substantial number of non-scholarship participants, so you then need to consider whether the sport also draws in additional students by being offered.
No one who is serious about the accounting really thinks they should account for the cost of a program using out-of-state tuition. If I see that, I assume it’s just a PR thing rather than an honest attempt to understand value.