UNC Board of Governors visiting campus for first time in 40 years

University News and Notes
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[quote=“Gassman, post:39, topic:29433”][quote=“MikeNiner11, post:37, topic:29433”][quote=“VA49er, post:31, topic:29433”]Looks like there’s been some protesting going on…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRxmZimqZMc#t=12[/quote]

Does anyone know the justification for closing the centers? I don’t really care either way, but it doesn’t sound like it saved a significant amount of money.

Also, I found the comment about “right-sizing” interesting. Kind of seems like the system will begin to look at possibly closing or merging some of the schools. Fortunately, we are in a better position than pretty much anyone else in the system when it comes to long term sustainability. Tremendous growth, only UNC system school in the region, focus on STEM programs, tons of outside investment from major businesses, and in one of the fastest growing cities in the nation. Also, we have done it all with very little per student funding.[/quote]

Where did you see the comments about right sizing the university? Didn’t see that in the observer article? Yes that is very interesting but I will believe it when I see it. I could see them possibly closing some individual programs down but can you really see them closing down an entire campus?? Can you imagine the unholy shot storm that would ensue if they proposed to close down any of the campuses? Talk about a hot potato. You could go through the list of schools and point out really powerful reasons for leaving each of them open. Sure you might say they could close down some of the really small campuses like FSU or pembroke but there are cultural reasons that will absolutely make that distasteful and a complete non starter.

If they absolutely were hell bent on it the big six with the Carnegie designation of doctoral research will be off the table. So will the HBCU and pembroke and the school of the arts. They would be looking at App, Asheville, Western, Wilmington. App would likely have too much support and western has one of the few engineering schools. Looks like Wilminton and Asheville.

Again I don’t see it happening. People would be up in arms. I think you might see department closures.

One thing is for certain.

We should be glad we got football when we did.

In this climate seems likely we could get the funding.

Although is this go round much different than previous years? Seems a bit different with the closures of those centers.[/quote] You think they wouldn’t close down an entire university?
The state of Oklahoma legislature recently voted to ax AP history because it didn’t suit their political tastes. (Not jingoistic enough)

So, you know, crazy things can happen.

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[quote=“Gassman, post:39, topic:29433”][quote=“MikeNiner11, post:37, topic:29433”][quote=“VA49er, post:31, topic:29433”]Looks like there’s been some protesting going on…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRxmZimqZMc#t=12[/quote]

Does anyone know the justification for closing the centers? I don’t really care either way, but it doesn’t sound like it saved a significant amount of money.

Also, I found the comment about “right-sizing” interesting. Kind of seems like the system will begin to look at possibly closing or merging some of the schools. Fortunately, we are in a better position than pretty much anyone else in the system when it comes to long term sustainability. Tremendous growth, only UNC system school in the region, focus on STEM programs, tons of outside investment from major businesses, and in one of the fastest growing cities in the nation. Also, we have done it all with very little per student funding.[/quote]

Where did you see the comments about right sizing the university? Didn’t see that in the observer article? [/quote]

I thought I had seen it in an article, but can’t seem to find it. Did find these though.

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Both are reputable sources who were in attendance, but that type of comment could likely be taken out of context.

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17 universities is too many.

There is no reason for UNCA and WCU to exist separately, same for UNCG and NCAT.

Things grow to a point, streamline and consolidate, that needs to happen in university systems as well.

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[quote=“ninerID, post:43, topic:29433”]17 universities is too many.

There is no reason for UNCA and WCU to exist separately, same for UNCG and NCAT.

Things grow to a point, streamline and consolidate, that needs to happen in university systems as well.[/quote]

It’ll be tough to just make WCU become a part of UNCA or vice versa. If anything you consolidate administrative.

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[quote=“CharSFNiners, post:44, topic:29433”][quote=“ninerID, post:43, topic:29433”]17 universities is too many.

There is no reason for UNCA and WCU to exist separately, same for UNCG and NCAT.

Things grow to a point, streamline and consolidate, that needs to happen in university systems as well.[/quote]

It’ll be tough to just make WCU become a part of UNCA or vice versa. If anything you consolidate administrative.[/quote]
I wish there was a way to buyout davidson so we could have a basketball team and a UNC Charlotte Lake Campus

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You cannot just shutter the physical buildings unless you have classroom, dorms, etc space at nearby schools. It will be an administrative consolidation.

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BTW, that’s what I meant.

There’s no reason to have 2 chancellors, 2 sets of deans for duplicate programs, 2 sets of admins, 2 boards, 2 sets of athletics coaches, 2 sets of admissions groups, etc. etc. etc.

Not saying close the doors.

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Consolidation of the sports programs is the only thing most people would notice.

I cant imagine that would go over well. Cant remember hearing of anything WCU has done in sports the last few years (kevin martin), but i doubt they want to have to trek over to unca and root for the bulldogs…

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clt says they should look at closing the AFAM program at CHeat.

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None of this ‘right-sizing’ can be taken as more than political till they right-size the colleges in the triangle - there’s your greatest opportunity IF you really want to right-size.

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They could/should force Chapel Hill out before other dramatic changes. They are the most likely to survive as a private university.

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clt asks what would that school be called? Uncch chapel hill?

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At the peak of the recent recession when funding was being slashed there was discussion at chapel hill about exiting the state system because they believed they could survive better on their own not making the mandatory cut and being able to offset loss of funding through fundraising so the notion of them being on their own is not a crazy thought.

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WSSU and NC School of Arts are only located only 1 or 2 miles from each other. Consolidating those 2 would produce a truly multi-dimensional university.

UNCG and NC A & T are obvious candidates for consolidation, but my guess is there will be plenty of resistance.

I think UNC-ch and NCCU should be consolidated.

So should App State and Catawba County Community College.

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Do you have a list of everyone and where they received their degrees from? Would be interesting to see.[/quote]

http://www.northcarolina.edu/apps/bog/members.htm[/quote]

Just for the hell of it, break down of BOG members. Note, I double counted members that attended two instate universities. I also realize their are some private schools on here, but I included them again…just for the hell of it.

BOG Alma Mater
Chapel Hill 14 (+1 who attended UNC Chapel Hill, but did not graduate?)
NCSU 4
ECU 3
App State 2
Wake 2
App State 2
WCU 1
Duke 1
Wayne Count Community College 1 (ties with NCSU)
Florida 1 (Former WCU BOT member)
University of Missouri 1 (Ties to the Cary area)
Wellesley College 1 (Ties to the Charlotte area)
Hiram College 1 (Former App BOT member)
University of Tennessee (Ties to the High Point area)

The Charlotte area, really only has one member representing it. The majority of power is consolidated in the Triangle. Considering how Charlotte is the largest city in North Carolina…this seems wrong.

Schools lacking any sort of direct representation:
Elizabeth City State University
Fayetteville State University
NCA&T
NCCU
UNCA
UNC Charlotte
UNCG
UNCP
UNCW
University of North Carolina School of the Arts
Winston-Salem State University
North Carolina School of Science and Mathematics

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Double post :smiley:

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[quote=“49r9r, post:54, topic:29433”]WSSU and NC School of Arts are only located only 1 or 2 miles from each other. Consolidating those 2 would produce a truly multi-dimensional university.

UNCG and NC A & T are obvious candidates for consolidation, but my guess is there will be plenty of resistance.

I think UNC-ch and NCCU should be consolidated.

So should App State and Catawba County Community College. [/quote]

Fayetteville State (I actually forgot that this was even a school) and UNCP are relatively close to one another as well.

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Do you have a list of everyone and where they received their degrees from? Would be interesting to see.[/quote]

http://www.northcarolina.edu/apps/bog/members.htm[/quote]

Just for the hell of it, break down of BOG members. Note, I double counted members that attended two instate universities. I also realize their are some private schools on here, but I included them again…just for the hell of it.

BOG Alma Mater
Chapel Hill 14 (+1 who attended UNC Chapel Hill, but did not graduate?)
NCSU 4
ECU 3
App State 2
Wake 2
App State 2
WCU 1
Duke 1
Wayne Count Community College 1 (ties with NCSU)
Florida 1 (Former WCU BOT member)
University of Missouri 1 (Ties to the Cary area)
Wellesley College 1 (Ties to the Charlotte area)
Hiram College 1 (Former App BOT member)
University of Tennessee (Ties to the High Point area)

The Charlotte area, really only has one member representing it. The majority of power is consolidated in the Triangle. Considering how Charlotte is the largest city in North Carolina…this seems wrong.

Schools lacking any sort of direct representation:
Elizabeth City State University
Fayetteville State University
NCA&T
NCCU
UNCA
UNC Charlotte
UNCG
UNCP
UNCW
University of North Carolina School of the Arts
Winston-Salem State University
North Carolina School of Science and Mathematics[/quote]

clt says we are like DC, taxation without representation.

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[quote=“49r9r, post:54, topic:29433”]WSSU and NC School of Arts are only located only 1 or 2 miles from each other. Consolidating those 2 would produce a truly multi-dimensional university.

UNCG and NC A & T are obvious candidates for consolidation, but my guess is there will be plenty of resistance.

I think UNC-ch and NCCU should be consolidated.

So should App State and Catawba County Community College. [/quote]

NC A&T and UNCG are two of the six with the Research/doctoral Carnegie designation. I seriously doubt any of those would be touched in any way.

And they are not going to touch A&T anyway. They have way too much history. The first HBCU in NC and one of the oldest in the US. Not happening. It’s untouchable. unless they self destruct like SC State seems to be doing.

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BTW, that’s what I meant.

There’s no reason to have 2 chancellors, 2 sets of deans for duplicate programs, 2 sets of admins, 2 boards, 2 sets of athletics coaches, 2 sets of admissions groups, etc. etc. etc.

Not saying close the doors.[/quote]

Administrative costs are vastly overrated. The only real savings come from actually closing a campus. Elizabeth City, with only 2300 students is done-for in my opinion. They will not shutter App or WCU, they are both 15000 students or so, and there is not really another place to put those students.

Over the past several years the University System of Georgia “merged” eight campuses into four - including some bizarre pairings like the State Medical College with Augusta State University. A retrospective report by their Board showed total savings of about 1% of their collective budgets. Turns out the costs of Chancellors and Provosts and such are really small compared to the administrative costs you cannot really merge - like police forces, facilities maintenance, and utilities. To get real savings you really have to stop those types of costs - and the only way to do that is to shut the campus. Again, ECSU looks to me to be in a precarious position.