[QUOTE=kantnocdahustle;381072]Iāve been following this team since 2003. I know how it was when we were winning big games.
But one thing I donāt get is how are we suppose to be really good this year if we all watched the team play last season.
The only difference from last year:
Leemire: -18.6 PPG, -4.4 REB, -1.7 AST
Gerrity: -4.7PPG, -1.5 REB, -3.5 AST
The rest of team are basically averaging the same numbers as last year.
We lost two very important contributors and gained none in the process.
We also couldnāt score last year so how are we supposed to miraculously do it this year? Leemire has bailed us out so many times last year with his 20 and 30 point performances.
So how is all of this Lutzās fault?
I donāt like the way this season is going either but things happen.
All I know is, things will be back to where it once was, barring any other major setbacks.
Iām going to continue to go to every game and support the Niners even during these tough times. Because thatās what a true fan does. :49ers:[/QUOTE]
Thatās the thing, Players are SUPPOSED to IMPROVE from year to year, if they are just averaging the same stats while their here, then what is the coach doing?
Yeah I know everyone is suppose to improve but thatās not the case. Some players hit their peak potential in high school, some in college. Its just the way it is sometimes.
[QUOTE=kantnocdahustle;381124]Yeah I know everyone is suppose to improve but thatās not the case. Some players hit their peak potential in high school, some in college. Its just the way it is sometimes.[/QUOTE]
Howās that not the case? Look at Xavier for example, their guys improve year in and year out. Over and SJU, Ahmad Nivins has become a monster. You take a look at the successful coaches, and tell me their players donāt improve each year. Even up in Chapel Hell you can see the difference in Lawsonās game, and he was a hell of a player before hand.
Look at Jeff Teague for Wake. Did he even play against us last year? Now heās one of the best scorers in the nation. Blake Griffin at Oklahoma, Abrams at Texas, I can keep it going. Honestly, how many players have improved here. Eddie & Lee? Thatās 2 in Lutzās tenure. Lee was a workhorse and so was Eddie. Both those guys put in a lot of individual time on their own.
Coaching is where it is at. It is about a coach getting max potential from his players. Curtis Withers was an absolute beast, do you think we got max potential out of him?
[QUOTE=kantnocdahustle;381100]I know thereās been anti-Lutz people on here, but now its taking on a bandwagon effect. We do good everybody is fine. Now that unforeseen things happened to this years team, everyone is calling for his head.[/QUOTE]
Have you seen us play? There are some high school teams out there that could give us a run for our money. Iād say there is also a decent chance that we donāt even make the A-10 conference tournament.
This team is a roller coaster year in and year out under Lutz. it would be great to see several years of improvement building up on each year, but when you go with JuCoās what do you expect. Short period of time and they are gone. Nothing against the players, but hard to build a long term program when that is the basis of recruiting.
And when is the last time you have seen a player developā¦ really develop under Lutz.
How's that not the case? Look at Xavier for example, their guys improve year in and year out. Over and SJU, Ahmad Nivins has become a monster. You take a look at the successful coaches, and tell me their players don't improve each year. Even up in Chapel Hell you can see the difference in Lawson's game, and he was a hell of a player before hand.
Look at Jeff Teague for Wake. Did he even play against us last year? Now heās one of the best scorers in the nation. Blake Griffin at Oklahoma, Abrams at Texas, I can keep it going. Honestly, how many players have improved here. Eddie & Lee? Thatās 2 in Lutzās tenure. Lee was a workhorse and so was Eddie. Both those guys put in a lot of individual time on their own.
Coaching is where it is at. It is about a coach getting max potential from his players. Curtis Withers was an absolute beast, do you think we got max potential out of him?
You pointed out Jeff Teague. But you didnāt mention Ish Smith or Jamie Skeen. Or what about Greg Paulus, Shavlik Randolph, Bryan Zoubek, Josh McRoberts, Quentin Thomas, Marcus Ginyard? And Hansbroughās FG % has actually gone down, as have his blocks and steals.
I think we develop most of our four year players pretty well; the problem is that most of our key players are only here for two years because they are jucos or transfers. But our key players that are four-year guys do develop. Withers, Basden, Goldwire are the only four-year key players that I have seen their entire career and Iād say they developed quite a bit over their time here.
The problem isnāt not being able to develop talent, the problem is not having the talent to develop and that appears to be getting better with the likes of Jones, AnāJuan, Shamarr, Braswell, and Sherrill.
Iām certainly not giving Bobby a pass on this; itās just a matter of what I think the problem really stems from. There had been a lack of recruiting. For a few years, we were only bringing in jucos and most of them werenāt very good. Ian was our only four-year recruit over the course of two seasons and he isnāt what I consider a key player.
I am not including Mitch Mullis or David Booker for obvious reasons.
No he's not. How is two players developing acceptable? [B]I think Ian Andersen may have gotten worse.[/B] And we still can't hit free throws. We can't do anything. What the hell are we doing in practice? Guys getting hurt doesn't mean somehow we shouldn't be able to do anything right.
I donāt agree with that. Heās just not in the same role. He hasnāt really improved either, but I donāt think heās gotten worse.
I think we develop most of our four year players pretty well; the problem is that most of our key players are only here for two years because they are jucos or transfers. But our key players that are four-year guys do develop. Withers, Basden, Goldwire are the only four-year key players that I have seen their entire career and I'd say they developed quite a bit over their time here.
The problem isnāt not being able to develop talent, the problem is not having the talent to develop and that appears to be getting better with the likes of Jones, AnāJuan, Shamarr, Braswell, and Sherrill.
Iām certainly not giving Bobby a pass on this; itās just a matter of what I think the problem really stems from. There had been a lack of recruiting. For a few years, we were only bringing in jucos and most of them werenāt very good. Ian was our only four-year recruit over the course of two seasons and he isnāt what I consider a key player.
I am not including Mitch Mullis or David Booker for obvious reasons.
Man I hope things get better but damn you are hanging your hat on 3 guys who havenāt even played for us yet?
Fyiā¦Withers did not improve. Charlotte (Lutz) does not develop ābig menā
I hope these new guys are everything as advertisedā¦because it sure seems I have heard this beforeā¦"so and so is the highest recruit in niner historyā¦blahā¦blahā¦blah
You pointed out Jeff Teague. But you didn't mention Ish Smith or Jamie Skeen. Or what about Greg Paulus, Shavlik Randolph, Bryan Zoubek, Josh McRoberts, Quentin Thomas, Marcus Ginyard? And Hansbrough's FG % has actually gone down, as have his blocks and steals.
It happens everywhere.
Iāve seen improvement in all of those players over the past few years minus Skeen. Was the point of your post saying that they havenāt improved? Sorry if I read that wrong.
[QUOTE=Normmm;381200]You pointed out Jeff Teague. But you didnāt mention Ish Smith or Jamie Skeen. Or what about Greg Paulus, Shavlik Randolph, Bryan Zoubek, Josh McRoberts, Quentin Thomas, Marcus Ginyard? And Hansbroughās FG % has actually gone down, as have his blocks and steals.
It happens everywhere.[/QUOTE]
Letās see, Paulus actually got progressively better until K brought in Nolan Smith who has more talent. Randolph is in the NBA, same for McRoberts. Thomas was a servicable backup who progressed and the same with Ginyard. Ish Smith has gotten better, is Jamie Skeen even on their team, when you donāt play what do you expect? Hansbrough is national player of the year caliber and will be a NBA player, so I donāt see where you are going.
Honestly, if you want I can keep going on and on, is it a coincidence that SJU always seems to field a good team as does Xavier? Coaching is a factor and a big one. Look what Bielein has done at Michigan.
Hate it or not look what Callipari did for Mempiss. Mark Few at Gonzaga. Dana Altman at Creighton. Those guys know how to get players the develop them. When you start winning usually you get more fan support and better players sign up to be on your team, because they know they have a good shot at going to the next level under you.