[quote=“stonecoldken, post:135, topic:25118”]Pastner must be stupid. What kind of an idiot signs for $800K less?[/quote]I’m sure his contract is heavily laden with incentives for making the NCAA tournament. Memphis has won 19 NCAA games in the last 20 years. NC State has won 6.
Stay at Memphis, make a little less, but have a much greater chance of making the NCAA tournament and look like a great coach. You then leverage that into a better job than NC State.
Just hit the Twitter world and a press release directly from their AD saying they haven’t offered the job to anyone at all. Interesting. I’m with SCK $800,000 seems like a lot of money to turn down- apparently he didn’t.
Not that I ever put much stock in sportsbybrooks or Seth Davis (who is an ass), but I believed it when they were saying some of the big name coaches had turned them down, now it looks like nobody ever even got an offer. After the presser, I get the feeling they aren’t talking to anyone until they can at least talk to Shaka. Of course I wouldn’t be surprised to see VCU step up and offer Shaka a pretty nice deal to keep him. Then who does State turn to? Gregg freaking Marshall?
[quote=“NewNiner, post:142, topic:25118”]Just hit the Twitter world and a press release directly from their AD saying they haven’t offered the job to anyone at all. Interesting. I’m with SCK $800,000 seems like a lot of money to turn down- apparently he didn’t.
Not that I ever put much stock in sportsbybrooks or Seth Davis (who is an ass), but I believed it when they were saying some of the big name coaches had turned them down, now it looks like nobody ever even got an offer. After the presser, I get the feeling they aren’t talking to anyone until they can at least talk to Shaka. Of course I wouldn’t be surprised to see VCU step up and offer Shaka a pretty nice deal to keep him. Then who does State turn to? Gregg freaking Marshall?[/quote]
Do you truly believe any of that? You think NC State is going to publish a list of people that have turned them down?
I heard on one of the radio shows that state hired a coaching search company, so the company asks the coach if he would be interested, coach says no, but wait, NC State never asked him the search company did…
all about saving face, even though nobody wants to coach there anyway.
Wyoming has (re)hired Larry Shyatt to fill it’s Head Coach position. Shyatt has been an Assistant at Florida and his last head coaching gig was at Clemson, which is where he left Wyoming for the last go-round.
http://gary-parrish.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6271764/28174494
[quote=“NewNiner, post:142, topic:25118”]Just hit the Twitter world and a press release directly from their AD saying they haven’t offered the job to anyone at all. Interesting. I’m with SCK $800,000 seems like a lot of money to turn down- apparently he didn’t.
Not that I ever put much stock in sportsbybrooks or Seth Davis (who is an ass), but I believed it when they were saying some of the big name coaches had turned them down, now it looks like nobody ever even got an offer. After the presser, I get the feeling they aren’t talking to anyone until they can at least talk to Shaka. Of course I wouldn’t be surprised to see VCU step up and offer Shaka a pretty nice deal to keep him. Then who does State turn to? Gregg freaking Marshall?[/quote]
What’s wrong with Gregg Marshall? He just won the NIT last night, and we just saw that titles like that will get you an ACC gig.
I think Gregg Marshall would do well at NCSU or Oklahoma.
[quote=“CharSFNiners, post:145, topic:25118”][quote=“NewNiner, post:142, topic:25118”]Just hit the Twitter world and a press release directly from their AD saying they haven’t offered the job to anyone at all. Interesting. I’m with SCK $800,000 seems like a lot of money to turn down- apparently he didn’t.
Not that I ever put much stock in sportsbybrooks or Seth Davis (who is an ass), but I believed it when they were saying some of the big name coaches had turned them down, now it looks like nobody ever even got an offer. After the presser, I get the feeling they aren’t talking to anyone until they can at least talk to Shaka. Of course I wouldn’t be surprised to see VCU step up and offer Shaka a pretty nice deal to keep him. Then who does State turn to? Gregg freaking Marshall?[/quote]
What’s wrong with Gregg Marshall? He just won the NIT last night, and we just saw that titles like that will get you an ACC gig.[/quote]
I think he would do well, in fact extremely well, but for the “Splash” hire they thought they were going to make, it isn’t exactly somebody who is a household name. I do happen to believe the AD’s office when they say they haven’t offered the job to anyone. In my mind it goes like this:
“We were wondering if you’d be interested in talking about the NC State job”
“No thank you, I’m very comfortable where I am, but I am flattered you called”
“Thank you for your time”
Given that they probably contacted 10 coaches to gauge their interest/open discussions at the same time, I don’t think this is exactly a rejection figuratively or literally. Just saying “Do you want to talk about it” is a lot different from saying “Do you want it” and them saying “No”. Most schools will also not deny if a coach shot them down- see NC State, circa 2006: “Yes, Calipari was on his way here and changed his mind; Yes, Barnes said no; No, we did not offer Steve Lavin anything at all, he just is pumping his own ego, had we talked about the job and felt it was a good fit then we would have offered it to him.”
I happen to like an AD that will stand up every now and again and tell the talking heads in the media who are operating off of rumor and message board fodder to straighten up and do their damn job. I also think I read that they hired the search firm because there are less restrictive rules about when a search firm can communicate with candidates during postseason play than when an AD is allowed to.
If NCST hires Marshall, that means the ACC has become a refuge for NIT Championship coaches.
and Roy was SO close to his own.
RT @goodmanonfox: Arizona assistant Archie Miller “extremely close” to getting Dayton job, sources told FOXSports.com.
So someone from the X tree?
Dayton has hired Archie Miller.
SF, yes and no. Yes in that he is Sean Miller’s brother, but no because he never coached at X due to a nepotism rule that banned family members from working together.
Could turn out to be a great hire. He’s taking over a program with great support, he has a brother that is one of the better young coaches in the country, and has a father that was an NCAA coach as well.
[quote=“Niner National, post:152, topic:25118”]Dayton has hired Archie Miller.
SF, yes and no. Yes in that he is Sean Miller’s brother, but no because he never coached at X due to a nepotism rule that banned family members from working together.
Could turn out to be a great hire. He’s taking over a program with great support, he has a brother that is one of the better young coaches in the country, and has a father that was an NCAA coach as well.[/quote]
Archie Miller should wait, he’ll probably get offered the NC State job after they get turned down another 5 times.
[quote=“Niner National, post:141, topic:25118”][quote=“stonecoldken, post:135, topic:25118”]Pastner must be stupid. What kind of an idiot signs for $800K less?[/quote]I’m sure his contract is heavily laden with incentives for making the NCAA tournament. Memphis has won 19 NCAA games in the last 20 years. NC State has won 6.
Stay at Memphis, make a little less, but have a much greater chance of making the NCAA tournament and look like a great coach. You then leverage that into a better job than NC State.[/quote]
800k is a lot of money, but he’s got to be thinking big picture. He’s a young guy and NC State could derail his coaching career. He’s got it good right now like you said, and is signing top 10 players at Memphis so getting talent there isn’t an issue and he can win CUSA on talent alone probably. I do think his coaching is questionable though, I probably wouldn’t rate him in the top half of CUSA as far as game day coaching and before their run in the tourny the Memphis fans were questioning him. Put Pastner at any other school in CUSA or the A10 where he wouldn’t sign top 10 players and I think he would bomb hard.
I was curious if Memphis’ recruiting was really that much better than Xavier’s (it was). But I did come across this 2009 ranking of Arizona’s recruits (Sean Miller’s first year) that I found interesting:
Newly hired head coach [url=http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/viewcoach.asp?Coach=1779]Sean Miller[/url] did some fast recruiting work, amassing a five-man class with three four-star prospects. Hill, a top-30 prospect, is the jewel of the class with his skilled and versatile game. Jones is a rugged combo guard who will share time in the backcourt with [url=http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/bviewplayer.asp?Player=65931]Nic Wise[/url]. Natyazhko will be counted upon early to provide a physical presence inside. Three-star forwards Parrom and Williams round out the class. [b]2009 commits (National rank)[/b] SF [url=http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=79487]Solomon Hill[/url] (27) PG [url=http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=57355]Lamont Jones[/url] (68) C [url=http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=84218]Kyryl Natyazhko[/url] (81) SF [url=http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=60251]Kevin Parrom[/url] (122) PF [url=http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=84377]Derrick Williams[/url]
Derrick Williams was the only guy in that class not ranked. Those other guys are pretty good, but that’s quite a miss.
I wonder if Archie Miller will start bringing something like that caliber of talent to Dayton.
Wow. The only unranked player in that class is a projected top 5 pick in the NBA. It appears that HS rankings are losing some luster as far as predicting future success.
[quote=“9erken, post:155, topic:25118”]I was curious if Memphis’ recruiting was really that much better than Xavier’s (it was). But I did come across this 2009 ranking of Arizona’s recruits (Sean Miller’s first year) that I found interesting:
Newly hired head coach [url=http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/viewcoach.asp?Coach=1779]Sean Miller[/url] did some fast recruiting work, amassing a five-man class with three four-star prospects. Hill, a top-30 prospect, is the jewel of the class with his skilled and versatile game. Jones is a rugged combo guard who will share time in the backcourt with [url=http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/bviewplayer.asp?Player=65931]Nic Wise[/url]. Natyazhko will be counted upon early to provide a physical presence inside. Three-star forwards Parrom and Williams round out the class. [b]2009 commits (National rank)[/b] SF [url=http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=79487]Solomon Hill[/url] (27) PG [url=http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=57355]Lamont Jones[/url] (68) C [url=http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=84218]Kyryl Natyazhko[/url] (81) SF [url=http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=60251]Kevin Parrom[/url] (122) PF [url=http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=84377]Derrick Williams[/url]
Derrick Williams was the only guy in that class not ranked. Those other guys are pretty good, but that’s quite a miss.
I wonder if Archie Miller will start bringing something like that caliber of talent to Dayton.[/quote]
Two of those recruits were USC signees (including Williams) who were granted their release when Floyd was fired. Miller walked into a goldmine. I don’t think he’ll have any problems recruiting on his own there now, though.
Miller has a great class coming in next year, one 5 star and three 4 stars.
Miami’s Haith to Missouri. ACC cannot keep coaches now. There will be three new coaches in ACC next year.
Is the Miami guy any good?